Manny Pacquiao and the “Something to Hide” Fallacy
January 27th, 2010
By Steve Lewis: We still hear it, and once again, Roger Mayweather has gone on the air and lost more credibility when he told the folks at the Boxing Truth Radio Show that Manny Pacquiao was on “A-side meth,” a drug that apparently makes people literally bulletproof, according to the genius that is Roger Mayweather.
So that has apparently become the lazy and easy $40M question. And the Pacquiao detractors will say it again. “Manny must have something to hide if he’s willing to blow off $40M due to a simple blood test.”
The fallacy in that thought is that there is nothing to hide. People think if the blood test would be taken, Pacquiao would be caught red-handed. But as these same detractors would argue, you are not going to catch anything because a person can conceivably flush out and cycle off the drugs out of the system within a couple of days.
What they probably meant was that Pacquiao does not want to take the Olympic-style drug testing because he won’t be able to shoot up any PEDs during the upcoming training, not that he’s trying to hide something that’s currently in his system. So it is a misstatement to say and argue that Pacquiao has something to hide. It is more accurate to say that he does not want any nefarious plans of his being foiled (future tense, folks, not present tense).
But even then, to say that Pacquiao’s refusal to be blood-tested is because Olympic-style testing would prevent him from carrying out his plans of shooting up is ludicrous. Seriously, do you really think that someone who has built such a reputation in and out of the ring would still chance playing around with PEDs in light of the intense scrutiny and spotlight being placed on this blood testing issue? Pacquiao would be foolish to even attempt it, given the attention on this matter. It would be one thing is this was an up and coming hungry fighter with nothing to lose, who hasn’t yet received the fat paycheck. But this is Manny Pacquiao: well-documented humanitarian, aspiring politician, and among the most revered athletes in the world – one who is already well compensated and is not in financial straits. There is no need for Pacquiao to do so, particularly against Floyd Mayweather, who is not noted as being a power puncher. Resorting to PEDs to defend against Mayweather’s “pitty-pats” and “peck-and-run” tactics would be highly unnecessary.
If there was any grain of truth to what Roger Mayweather and the rest of his cohorts are saying, you would see a whole lot more boxers from the Philippines taking advantage of this so-called “A-side meth.” Heck, Bobby Pacquiao would be in the top 10 pound-for-pound rankings if he could make himself “bulletproof” like brother Manny. Instead, he is relegated to just being “Manny’s brother.”
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Pacman has something to hide! Plain and simple. Also he is so involved in other aspirations (politics, business) that he does not want to risk losing. Let’s face it the Mayweather/Mosley fight was boring because Mayweather is so talented. Like him or not, we must admit that he scares the hell out of Pacman.
Pacman should not be taking any demands, particularly blood tests, from an opponent like FMJ. FMJ used that topic to do character assassination on the Pacman, to discredit him. You don’t do those kinds of slandering to Asian or Arab counties, its plain unacceptable. FMJ really sounded like in his many, many interviews and comments as a racist, including his uncle, for example saying bulletproof Filipino soldiers during a fight with American ones a very long time ago, in history. They shouldn’t say that when the Philippines & the USA are allies and in friendship for many, many decades. FMJ & crew misled the people into thinking that the Pacman & his crew were the ones who gave up the fight when actually it was FMJ who made many potential hindrances, like the blood testing, to make the fight not happen in the 1st place. If he doesn’t want to fight with the Pac then please dont do or say any foul racist comments to your opponent.
Pacman has done so much for pro boxing already, after so long
the sport has been criticised dead by boxing haters. After Pacman enetred the limelight, boxing is a household world again even for the non-boxing harcore fans. Pacman made historical contributions like when he fought, won, & became world champion in 7 different weight divisions, a record. He transcended the sport. Pls be grateful of Pacman’s deeds. The weight class he was and is current on somehow became the hottest division to date.
Some haters claim that JMM might have won his fights with Pac, probably but it will not be convincing, winning just on points. Still, would be a close controversial win if JMM did win. And if JMM did win, he wont transcend the sport like the Pac already did. He can’t go up in very high in weight & win like the Pac, evident in his poor performance vs FMJ and he said himself also that the weight bothered him.
Now haters are comparing Pac with Bradley, Berto, Mosley, FMJ, and everyone else the Pacman is/was currently on a specific weight class, just proved that the Pacman really is the hottest man in boxing.
Again, Pacman should not follow any demands from FMJ. Don’t think that Pacman dropped the potential megafight because he was hiding something. Pacman can only wait for so long to fight an opponent. His time is very limited because he is engaging himself in the elections in the Philippines. If the negotiations with FMJ would take so long, it should be canceled. Pac can not do boxing anymore after he files his candidacy. There are laws in the Philippines which will prevent him from appearing publicly like in TV. Thats why he allowed himself to fight again so early after his last battle with Cotto.
Kudos to Pacman and the many people who appreciated his historical contributions, when no other modern-day boxer was able to do.
Why doesn’t Pac DEMAND that May fight UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS AS HE DOES — NO XYLOCAINE FOR EITHER FIGHTER! The same as when Mayweather states that he is willing to undergo the same testing so what is the problem? Why is it ok for Mayweather to be allowed to use this banned substance so he can punch harder but Pac will fight without it. Because Pac doesn’t have brittle hands and Pac doesnt’ need it. Same with the blood testing. It is not the same thing even though they are doing the same thing if it bothers Pac but has no effect upon Mayweather. Same with fighting without the benefit of Xylocaine. Maybe Pac should agree to fight with one hand tied behind his back too.
Mayweather only fights in Nevada because it is the only state that allows xylocaine, which he uses for his brittle hands so he won’t feel anything during the fight SO HE CAN PUNCH HARDER. How is that considered to be fair? How is that considered a “level playing field”? Pac doesn’t use xylocaine. Why doesnt’ Pac DEMAND
Boxxerr, that is the real reason why Mayweather wants the testing. It doesn’t bother him but he knows it bothers Pac. He is exploiting this difference so it will interfer with Pac’s training so he will not be 100% that night. Mayweather needs an edge, like he did with Marquez. An UNEVEN playing field, tipped in his favor. If there were a poll taken of which fighter do you think more likely to cheat if he could get away with it, what do you think that poll would show? Exactly.
Olympic Style Test is for Amature Boxing.
Similar to College Basketball.
When it comes to professional just be professional.
This is professional boxing where it is not required.
In professional boxing you have to prepare and if you are subject to have your blood test at those cruial time when you are weakend (sick to where you cannot practice) then it is similar to jumping off a bridge where you might get hurt and not be able to practice.
i love this,if the steroid is the case why this did not happen betwwen may and pac,if im were with pac i let may to take some steroid and fight with pac.that makes sense?may dont want to lose,thats why he want to draw some blood to pac.use common sense;””
shut up boyz i’m tired of this, talk is cheap! leave pacman alone and see you in dallas on march 13, this is exciting fight, long live the king of boxing , PACMAN
The question is, “Would you turn down $40 mil because your scared of your apponent”.
Aparently Yes.
Honest Pac Man, why doesn’t anybody realize that they were NEVER just 10 days apart? May wanted RANDOM and UNLIMITED blood tests all the way up to 14 days out. Manny agreed to THREE tests taken on 3 specific dates. One at press conference. The second 30 days out and the final right after the fight (which is the only one that counts anyway). He agreed in mediation to reduce the 2nd one to 24 days. But they were ALWAYS talking apples and oranges, not cut off dates. In order to only be apart 10 days on the cutoff date, they would have to agree on the random or not random and the limited or unlimted. Kind or large remaining issues other than just 10 days, don’t you think? This was meant to disrupt Pac’s training so he would not come in 100%. If it takes him 3 days to recover, how could he possibly have an effective training camp if someone is sticking a needle into his arm every other day. there are new urine tests which are better than the blood tests anyway that just came out.
By agreeing to USADA’s RANDOM TESTING PROGRAM, will Manny Pacquiao be able to really convince EVERYBODY that he is not juicing up with the latest & greatest super duper MOJO juice AVAILABLE only in the Philippines?
I don’t think so.
Because:
According to ROGER Mayweather — they think that the “A-side Meth” that Pacquiao is on, that makes him bullet proof, is only DETECTABLE by USADA Random Testing.
FUNNY? Yes,….. STUPID? To SOME people MAYBE NOT…
According to (BALCO) Conte — there are still no known test available for some of the “new fangled drugs” that are available out there…..there is also no known tests for “autologous blood doping” available to date.
According to Tygart (USADA CEO) — Olympic Style Drug Testing Program is “COMPREHENSIVE”, But is it “IMPERVIOUS”?…. Hardly.
These are comments from two educated people that KNOWS the system and are part of the system.
So if Pacquiao takes the test and “PASSES”, does it mean he is CLEAN? OR the “A-Side Meth” he’s taking is not detectable by USADA’s impervious system and because it’s a “NEW FANGLED DRUG” that was just recently brought to the USA from the Philippines?, that no current test is available for it?…
Can Pacquiao really silence his critics?
@Grim
I hope you understand that if you can say No to $40m when you don’t have as much money as Pacquaio, then all the more reason he can say no to the test.
Yes it is he’s responsibility to give the fans the fight but it is also he’s responsibility to make sure he’s 100% coming into the fight. He’s got the responsibility also to look after himself.
Mayweather also has the same responsibilities as Pac.
As I’ve said before, both of them walked away form $40m. Agreed?
Now answer this, why would Mayweather walk away from $40m when he’s suppose to be all about the money.
Remember “Legacy pays no bills”… that’s him there, so why walk away instead of giving in to the 10 days?
If you think about it, he doesn’t even have to do anything except minimize testing on himself… Which should be more comfortable than taking more test (Manny’s case).
And before you even think of saying so, I’ll remind you not to use the excuse of “Manny will have enough time to cheat” because I already said before, Manny can still cheat in 14 days.. Makes no difference.
@grim
It goes the same way as well, Mayweather can do it to other fighters (silly requests) but not Manny because he’s an equal (even when for me he is greater)
@grim
You are just not worth talking to. The cliff example is for you to understand that either way Manny loses.
So he might as well not bother with them.
Do you agree with this:
If Mayweather wanted the fight he could have easily agreed to the 24 days?
Pacman Fan,
Dude! I’ve answered your silly question with crystal clarity. You’re starting to sound redundant. For the final time – YES, I would easily take random tests in order to materialize one of the biggest fights in history for the fans. As a boxer I’d feel that I owe it to them even if it means I have to pay a small price. And NO! I would not jump off a cliff for any amount of money unless I know I can walk away injury free. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
Speaking of cliffs, getting someone to take random blood tests is not the same as jumping off a cliff. Nobody is expecting Pac to be superman. Nobody is requesting for him to climb 10 mountains. If I’m not mistaken the number is 5 random tests within 30 days with a 14 day window. Don’t tell me the typhoon example is irrelevant. It is significant because it proves he is MENTALLY STRONG. He has stated random testing disrupts his mental focus on training. Dude, he lost more blood in the Morales fight than 5 blood samples put together. Don’t make excuses for him.
If and only IF Pac is soooooo deathly afraid of needles and somehow can’t find a way to overcome being distracted, why the hell didn’t he lobby for both sides to drop every stipulation? Seems like he wants his cake and eat it too. He wanted to wear his 8 oz gloves, reduce the ring size and be able to penalize Floyd for going over the weight limit. Did he really expect Floyd to smile and say, “I bow down to the great Manny Pacquiao and whatever he wants he gets. I shall not ask anything in return.”???
Pac can do that with a desperate fighter like Mosley or Clottey but Floyd is Pac’s equal in a business sense. Otherwise they wouldn’t have agreed to a 50/50 split.
Didnt they say they wr going to test pac minutes after the fight? SURELY they would be able to catch something within that timeframe.
@grim
I’ll rephrase my double barreled question so you don’t go all sensitive and accuse me of being as low as the mayweathers.
If I ask you to jump of the cliff for $40m and if you don’t your a girl and a chicken, would you do it?
Just answer this one pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee!
@grim
and what about the argument about Mayweather bragging that he can beat Pacquiao even if he’s using something because he is just a one dimensional fighter? What happened to that? Did he hit his head on something and suddenly decided that he needs to get Pacman tested?
@Grim
Exactly the point, he can’t get any money from them, but he obviously don’t care about the money.
Dude, the typhoon has got nothing to do with him feeling awkward with taking blood. Come on man, if that’s your logic then you really are screwed in the head. Just because he’s a boxer, doesn’t mean he’s got no fears. Everyone does, he’s no superman.
We both know the 2 of them walked away from 40m but who’s got the reason? Come on mate, you got to do better.
Pacman Fan,
I get the disruption part. But we’re talking about the same guy who had no problem training during a typhoon breakout in the Philippines. Hell, he almost had a falling out with Roach due to the fact that he didn’t want to leave. What does that tell me about Pac? It tells me he is mentally strong enough to overcome distraction. Let’s not baby him. We know he’s a celebrity. But let’s not get carried away and assume he can get away with everything.
This is a historical fight in which both sides should be willing to give in a bit. It’s a compromise. Floyd gave in to the 50/50 split, glove/ring size, and $10 mil penalty (Penalizing is fine but I don’t agree with the amount of $10 mil). Now it’s time for Pac to do his part. Instead of overreacting and ridiculing Floyd, he could’ve suggested for Floyd to pay him a ridiculous amount of money for every random test…or perhaps drop every single stipulation on both sides. See how that works? It’s part of business.
This what I want to know – What kind of money is Pac getting by successfully suing Roger and Floyd Sr.??? I am sure they are both depending on food stamps. It will be awfully hard to pin Floyd in court because he has never publicly announced his belief that Pac is juicing. He might’ve suggested it but that’s not the same as a verbal commitment. Pac is wasting his time.
If Clottey wins, boxing fans will simply say Pac must have lain off the juice because he was almost exposed and that’s why he lost, not because clottey was a better fighter, but Pac didn’t juice enough, and they would want a rematch. The ONLY fights Pac will fight is against top rank fighters, because everybody else who is not a top rank fighter has made it clear they will be asking Pac for a drug test. Marquez did and that’s why Pac eventually took the Clottey fight. There isn’t too many top rank fighters Pacroid can face, so his time remaining relevant in the sport is limited, only because everybody is onto him, and that says a lot when Marquez ask for a blood test, and Marquez is a legend in the game.(he took pac to hell and back, and beat Pac in my opinion).
@Grim
About the 24 days before the Hatton fight, isn’t that exactly the same number of days that is put on the table at the end, yet Mayweather still insisted on 14 days?
We can go at this the whole day. There are 2 people who walked away from $40m because both of them could have given in and the fight would be done.
But let us see who has more reasons not to give in:
Mayweather’s reason not to accept 24 days:
- Because this time frame can give enough time for Pacquiao to cheat.
debunked:
If this is really the reason, then we all know that even with 14 days, Pac can still cheat. So what’s the point of asking for the 14 when it’s not really going to find what he’s looking for.
Pacquiao reason not to accept 14 days:
- With his history in Morales 1, wouldn’t you think that it is understandable that it has left a bad taste for him after experiencing it? It’s like when you had a taste of something new (food) and you didn’t like it, more often than not, you won’t try it again.
@Grim
Ask yourself this, if you really want the $40m wouldn’t you just drop the test or give in to the 24 days if you were Mayweather?
@Grim
It’s not about the sucking mate, it was suppose to be a comparison of the double barreled request that the Mayweather’s are asking.
And how can it not hold water (giving blood) when there is already proof that he struggled with Morales 1. It’s not about the recovery fool, did you think of what sort of disruptions it would have caused to his training when he keeps feeling weak?
@Grim
You’re throwing a fit because Manny won’t agree to what Mayweather wants…. (negotiation)
So you are immature!
Why can’t Mayweather just drop it or accept the 24 days? Come on.. don’t even argue about the 14 days because it doesn’t really cover all the bases either.
The only way to make boxing drug proof is everyday random testing!
@grim
It’s easy for you to say that the blood test won’t do anything to you. But you can’t say everybody reacts like you.
I keep saying this as an example and I’ll say it again:
Just because we are not afraid of standing in a room absolutely packed with people doesn’t mean everyone can (clustrophobic).
Just because we can go on a ferris wheel and we can shout to the whole world that it’s ok, and you won’t die, doesn’t mean you can convince everyone to go on it (fear of heights).
And if you are Manny, really mate, would you really let a man like Mayweather who disrespects you, win?
No way in the world. Be it for $40m or whatever, Manny is famous and loved because of what he has built. By his virtues and exploits in the ring, why would he let one crazy ass family destroy it?
THINK!!!!!!
@Grim ask yourself this, why would he risk losing a match (the same as what happened with Morales) and give the guy who tried and destroyed his good reputation money at the same time?
Makes sense doesn’t it?
@grim
Why can’t you answer the question?
Isn’t it simple enough. It’s just to show that the test that Mayweather is asking for is double barreled. Whether Manny takes it or not, he will lose.
You can’t tell me how I react on things, neither can we tell money that he’ll be alright with the blood test. Get it in your head.
If Mayweather is really scared of PEDS then he shouldn’t compromise for 24 or 14 days or whatever because there are stuff there that can be flushed in a matter of hours. So if he gives in and asks for 14 days, might as well go all the way to 24 because they make no difference.
An Honest Pacman Fan,
Are you kidding me?! Pac fans seem to never let go of the bullying argument. You must be out of your mind if you think taking a few random tests equates to sucking on someone’s d!ck. I’ve said it a million times – it’s a matter of NEGOTIATION, folks. Get it straight. Floyd conceded to Manny’s demands for particular glove and ring size didn’t he??? Why isn’t anybody deeming that as “sucking on Manny’s d!ck?” The answer to that question is simple – nobody thinks that’s a ridiculous demand and neither is random testing with a 14 day window. Yet Team Pac and die hard Pac fans overreact and throw a huge fit. Guess what? That kind of behavior is not only downright immature but puts a bigger cloud of suspicion over Manny’s head. You are only doing yourself a disservice here.
The only credible argument you would have is if you can prove to me Floyd is asking for something along the lines of 200 blood tests within 30 days or something as outrageous as such. In that case I will gladly concede. But until something of that nature is proven, Manny, in my eyes, is acting like a diva who won’t put good effort into compromise.
If he takes the tests….he could lose the match. You’re right. But let’s think about it for a second. Is it REALLY losing?? Floyd’s power is not a threat to anyone so the chances of Manny getting seriously hurt is pretty much zero. Pac’s legacy has already been cemented. If he loses, nothing changes. If he wins, without question he becomes one of the biggest legends in the sport. It’s not rocket science, people. MANNY PACQUIAO HAS NOTHING TO LOSE BY FIGHTING FLOYD.
totally agree. If Pacquiao was juicing in his previous fights, all he needed to do is not taking ped against Mayweather and walk home with 40 million dollars win or lose. Apparently, it’s a matter of pride for Pac not to be bullied by a person who has called him a one dimensional fighter
@Peter
LOL. Thanks mate!
But I don’t think they’ll stop anyway. No matter how you serve it (with silver platter) they already have this stuck in their heads so they’ll just turn away rather than admit it.
way to own them pacman fan
@Kalel:
Here’s common sense for you:
If I know that there is a chance that it will ruin my chances of winning because of what it does to me (pretending I am Pacquiao) then yes I will walk away because I have so much money that I can still live 10 life times with even a hundred mistresses rather than risk losing to a braggart like Mayweather and give him money for doing so.
@kalel:
It’s a simple yes or no dude. No ifs.
Manny knows what can interrupt his training or what can affect his preparation, NOT YOU!
Do you think you can convince a clustrophobic to go inside a room packed with people just because you and me don’t feel like it’s going to do anything?
Jasz,
I was referring to Juan Diaz who nearly knocked out Marquez. David Diaz…lol. No way he had a chance. I don’t care how many times Barrera was backing up. He still should’ve gotten caught and knocked out. Manny KO’d him in the first fight. In the second fight Barrera was older and slower. Something tells me Pac had hit his natural decline at that point. And then all of a sudden you have this monster of a man who came out of nowhere destroying bigger men when he moved up to 135. Sure, it’s possible to hit 70 homeruns in a season without using PED just as it’s possible to pulverize four bigger men consecutively. But you can’t honestly sit there and call me crazy for suspecting especially in this day and age when a soft-spoken family man like Mark McGwire has been proven guilty.
Your analogy is silly. Without a doubt or a blink of hesitation I would definitely get a blood test to prove my innocence because: (1) It takes a few seconds to complete (2) I have nothing to hide. EASY DECISION. Why would I put myself through frustrating court sessions and spend money when I can just clear my name through a few random blood tests?
And if you told me you’re gonna pay me $40 million to not only beat up my accuser but to clear my name as well…hahaha…I must be in heaven! Sounds like a deal too good to be true!
Move OOOOOONNNNNN people!!! They are not fighting for now.
Many people asks, “Would you turned down $40M for a blood test?” The answer would of course be NO if you really need it and it is a one-shot opportunity. But if you don’t really need it or there are other opportunities to earn it, then the answer could easily be YES. Let us also pose the question from the other side. What will the blood test prove? I have not heard of any fool-proof evidence that it will prove anything. What I think will be more conclusive is a blood test immediately after the fight. What solid proof does Mayweather have against pacquiao? And who really needs the money? Is it Mayweather or Pacquiao?
i can’t believe how biased some people are. some people say it’s a liberty to demand random drug testing. others would say it’s a liberty to get a welterweight world title shot without he fight taking place at full weight limit. bottom line is that neither man has covered themselves with integrity in the negotiations. and i don’t care how well off he is, no one turns down $40mil for what is a maximum of 45 mins work to take a fight for less money- you try to negotiate.
and as for Mayweather having not being a power puncher just because he doesn’t knock out every opponent doesn’t mean he lacks power. look at his fights, if you trully watch boxing
Hey Southside Fighter
If Pac Man is filthy rich and don’t care about the money why did he want the bigger purse when he was negotiating with Sugar Shane? A fighter which he by the way ducked and avoided like the plague….
If he doesn’t need the money than why don’t he donate his entire purse to charity then???? Money always matters and noone is turning down 40 million. I don’t care how rich you already are… No one is that crazy unless they are hiding something….
Come on now!!!!!!
BOXXERR
How can it weaken one fighter and not another????? That doesn’t make any sense?????? Somebody is full of B.S. and his name is Pac Man…. You know that don’t make sense…. Come on!!!!!!!
I don’t see a lot of floyd fans here anymore. I wonder what happend to them rest. I guess Pac fans are overwhelming them that’s why they’re gone. Or maybe thy’re finally disgusted of floyd real definition under exposure.
@ leftie:
Not if I was already flithy rich, and $40M was just another drop in the bucket for me.
On his previous interview, I fully agree with ODLH that hopefully, the people, the boxing fans, especially Pacquiao’s fans will change his mind and fight Mayweather, as we all would love to see this fight happen.
BUT FIRST Mayweather has to prove himself that he deserves that WW title shot that Pacquiao will give him.
ODLH asks: “Who would not want to earn 40 million dollars?”……NOBODY, of course.
The next question is: Why would Pacquiao TURN DOWN a 40 million dollar fight? BECAUSE HE CAN!!!!! It may seem foolish to people like us, but maybe if we take a moment to look at it from his viewpoint:…. This is 40 million dollars that he can afford to turn down because he is PROUD enough to stand tall against unreputable people questioning his integrity. MAYBE he refuses to be “subservient” to such demands from people that have not really proven themselves.
In addition, this is 40 million that HE KNOWS HE CAN EARN, maybe not in one fight, but sure for sure he can
earn more than 40 million in 2 fights.
BUT FIRST Mayweather has to earn his way, inside the ring, against the recognized WW contenders. If NOT, there are far more deserving journeyman contenders that should be rewarded to “CASH-IN” on what can be a potentially difficult but rewarding match against Pacquiao.
So… as I APPEAL to Manny Pacquaio: Sometime someday you would have to offer Mayweather to fight you BUT make him earn that match. But do not forget, that in your ascent to the top, to recognize the blood, sweat and tears that the other journeymen boxers have shed to be where they are and NOT THRU “HYPE”, AS YOU ONCE WERE A JOURNEYMAN.
Mr grim, just so your aware pacquiao’s KO ration hasn’t really gone up since he’s moved up on weight. The only legit ko’s he has were from Diaz and Hatton. Diaz was nothing special and hatton has no chin, if mayweather can ko Ricky with a soft check that means anyone can knock him out. De la hoya said it himself manny doesn’t hit hard he was just overwhellmed So he quit. Cotto wasn’t ko’d he was still standing and fighting when the ref stopped the fight. As for his lighter fights. He KO Moralas twice at 130lbs could be 125 not sure. He couldn’t KO barrera because he was running the whole time and Marquez is just one of those old school Mexican warriors that can’t be knocked out. So as far as I can tell his ko ratio really hasn’t changed all that much
KALEL
Bankrupt May was in the Olympics so he has proven it does not weakens him.
Not like PAC has proven it weakens him on the Morales 1 fight. Morales 2 & 3 no blood taken and thats the rest of the story.
Hey Boxxerr
Wouldn’t Money May have to take the same blood test? Didn’t he agree to do one also? Since he did agree wouldn’t that test weaken him too?
Since you say that taking blood weakens you that means both fighters would be weakened after taking the test at the same time. This means the playing field would still be even if both fighters are clean.
Noone will have the advantage…. The best man would win with no excuses and no doubts….
Would you let a nobody who despised you earn 40 million? ‘thought so.
I will not take a blood test if it weakens me.
Why should I take a blood test when it not required.
I won’t be in my full potential for the 40 mil.
Why did Money May turn down 40 mil. He does not deserve to b called Money May more like (I know my apponent gets weakend when he takes a blood test Bankrupt May)
REALISTIC,
You are very realistic. Wouldn’t nobody in their right mind turn down 40million. Especially to take a fight for less money against a tough risky opponent. Now that right there is not very realistic for Pac Man….
Pac Man fans you are not very realistic if you can justify a “clean” man turning down 40 million to fight for less money because he doesn’t like the demands that supposingly won’t affect him if he’s “clean”. Now how realistic is that?????
Simple question: Would YOU take a blood test if $40m was riding on it?
Thought so.
no it is not prejudice .. for maybe the biggest fight of all time why not not have random testing 4 BOTH sides … prove the mayweathers and alot of people wrong !! you will look great in doing so and pocket about 40 mill…we the fans should demand nothing less !! we r the ones shelling out 60 plus dollars for this fight WHEN it happens..
Maywaethers are predjudice.
They never ask for blood test to any other ethnic group.
Every Professional Boxer is on PED.
Maywaether SR. has confirmed.
REALISTIC says:
January 28, 2010 at 8:02 am
PACMAN FANS GET UR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS JUST ASK YOURSELF WOULD YOU TURN DOWN 40 MILLION OVER A BLOOD TEST???? JUST THINK ABOUT THAT QUESTION FOR A SECOND. THERE IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WRONG HERE!!!!
I wouldn’t and you wouldn’t, but Manny on the other hand can turn it down. He already has enough money to last him 10 lifetimes. Besides, that 40 mil is gonna be used in the lawsuit as lost revenue due to PED allegation.
i respect every persons opinion period …ok that said if you have nothing to hide at all , why not take the fully random tests ?? roach also trained james “lights out” toney , and he got caught with banned substances in his blood … yes its true ..now im not acusing here ..alls im saying more n more top atheletes from alot of sports have gotten caught in the past several years .. dont yall wonder how many have gotten away with it ?? pbf gave in to all the demands like 10 million a # etc. .. if i had absolutely nothing to hide i would take any n all tests any time !! please dont blog obout taking blood is draining peoples energy b4 a fight that doesnt hold water at all..its like a teaspoon or something..the rules need to be changed .. this is not the era of ali foreman anymore !!
Pac is being conned by Flo. So why should Pac give in?Simple logic.
Pacman is using illegal drugs, why else would he avoid random drug tests. Simple logic.
expert – Get some boxing knowledge before you start rabling on with you wrong facts. We dont want to know your worng encyclopedia on boxing.
REALISTIC
YOUR STUCK INTO YOUR ASS DEEPER THAN THIS PEOPLE,WIPE YOU MOUTH BOY,YOUR SALIVATING IN ANGER..WHO SAYS MANNY TURNED DOWN 40MIL?…ITS YOU AND ALL OF MAYWETHER FANS WHO DOESNT HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT,YOU NEED TO GO MAYWEATHER SR. AND GET SOME DRUGS TO HELP YOUR NERVES CALM DOWN!
FH: What is your take on the whole Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao situation, and whether or not boxing should implement more stringent policies for drug-testing, such as random blood-testing, or do you believe that boxing is fine the way that it is?
Holyfield: I don’t think that the fighters should be the ones who tell people in the boxing commissions what to do. I don’t think that the fighter should get to make the rules as to when somebody should check somebody and all of that.
You’re just the fighter. You don’t get to change the rules. The rules and regulations are the rules and regulations. You don’t get to sit here and all of a sudden, you say that ‘I don’t want to fight a fight unless he takes this other test.’
The commission is supposed to jump in and say, ‘Well, these are the rules for this fight.’ As a fighter, you don’t get to mess with the other person by saying, ‘You need to take this steroid test,’ and all of that.
If his drug test comes up positive after the fight, then he comes up positive. But you don’t get the chance to change it before that. Whatever it [the result] is, that’s what it is. It ain’t never been any other way.
So how can somebody come in and all of a sudden say, ‘Look, I want to check, this, this, this and this?’ Then why do you fight if you feel that the guy is going to cheat?
If steroids don’t come up in the system under the present way that they test, then you don’t get to say, ‘Well, they’ve got other tests,’ and all of that.
The commission is the one that is supposed to make that decision. Either you are going to fight, or you’re not going to fight. If you think the guy is on steroids, and you don’t want to fight, then you don’t fight.
But you shouldn’t have the opportunity to tear down somebody’s integrity just because of what you think.
FH: Do you believe that Manny Pacquiao is right in pursuing a lawsuit in order to defend his integrity?
Holyfield: Yes, because the big thing is that there’s always somebody saying that somebody is taking steroids, and then, once it gets into the papers, then your name is already smut.
Ain’t nobody ever caught me on steroids, and I’ve never been on steroids. But the argument is that, ‘We’re just reporting what we heard.’ But that’s just tearing down somebody’s integrity.
The fact of the matter is that they made me take a steroid test before I fought Mike Tyson (pictured at right), but they didn’t make Mike take the test. It’s sad how some people have to take the test just to fight the person, and they, themselves, don’t have to take it.
It’s like when Mike Tyson fought Lennox Lewis. Tyson had to take some medication to fight Lewis. You’re the champion, and you’re going to make sure that somebody takes their medication.
Now, the man [Tyson], when he had been fighting before that, he don’t take his medication. But since he bit Holyfield, then when he fights me [Lewis], he needs to take his medication, because I don’t want to be bit.
How can you say that the fight is an even fight when somebody is going to make you take some medication that’s going to slow you down?
It’s sad. But if you’re the commission, then you’re the commission. The commission itself is supposed to direct how things are supposed to be, not the fighters.
REALISTIC – Money is not everything. With the cultural background of Pacman, hes got money, and hes rights are what comes first. Pacman seems to of become an invincible force since Khan joined the wild card gym. Thus the theory that Pacman sparring with Khan has helped Pacman learn things and become a better fighter. Roach should send Khan in with Mayweather so Mayweather can be shown up in the ring of ‘benben’.
PACMAN FANS GET UR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS JUST ASK YOURSELF WOULD YOU TURN DOWN 40 MILLION OVER A BLOOD TEST???? JUST THINK ABOUT THAT QUESTION FOR A SECOND. THERE IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WRONG HERE!!!!
I don’t understand why people give so much credit to
a CONVICTED FELON/CRIMINAL’S WORDS. Someone of their
kind need not be given attention as they got no
credibility at all. Take notice on the way they say a
word, it’s all very demeaning. Don’t allow kids to
ever read any of their statements.
Jasz,
Barrera was not exactly a fast guy on his feet. If Khan was able to overwhelm him then surely Pac could’ve destroy him. And Marquez is a great boxer but he can get caught. Diaz, a guy who is known to have soft hands, nearly knocked him out. Pac, considered one of the hardest punchers in the game, couldn’t do it. Styles make fights. Not a bad point. However I’m still firm on my belief that the version of Pac who destroyed Cotto would’ve easily dismantled Marquez.
If Roberto Duran, a fighter who accomplished a similar feat, fought in this era I would have the same suspicion. It’s nothing personal. To me it’s not any more offensive than checking someone’s bag before they enter a building. Celebrities, no matter who they are, should not be exempt.
With all that said, the good thing for Pac and his fans is that he can retire after the Clottey fight and still be a celebrity of high status. He’s achieved so much that the debacle is a mere scratch and nothing fatal. I suppose that helps you folks fall asleep better at night.
Marquez and barrera both are sure future hall of famers so don’t be suprised even if manny has a difficult time fighting those two guys, and manny fought those 2 in their natural weight class, even manny has his limits he won’t be able to k.o. every single opponent he fights. Hatton is good but limited, some say he is one of the most overrated boxer. Even mayweather knocked out hatton….
Four words: innocent until proven guilty.
It’s the American way, right?
Four more words: Mayweather is full of sh*t
Jasz,
One of the reasons I find Pac suspicious (I’m not saying he’s guilty) is when he failed to KO an old Barrera and struggled against Marquez, he suddenly becomes Superman starting at 135. He’s not only beaten his last 4 opponents but have completely brutalized them. To me that’s like hitting 70+ homeruns in a single season.
Forget about Floyd Sr. He was not the 1st to start suspecting. Myself along with an x amount of people, I’m sure, started feeling suspicious the moment Hatton got knocked out cold. Even my sister, a big Pac fan, shared the same odd feeling. Only difference between Floyd Sr. and everyone else who held Pac under suspicion is he had enough balls to publicly state his belief. I don’t necessarily give him credit for that. Just telling it like it is.
I would politely ask Manny to remove the cloud of suspicion over his head. It’s a small favor. I feel that it’s definitely within reason for him to take a few random tests to clear his name. The guy’s making multi millions; nobody will forget his name. I’ve supported his career by purchasing some of his big fights with my hard-earned money. The least he can do is make a small concession for the greater good. Take the tests. It’s not that hard. He’s got nothing to lose.
ha ha ha mayweather clans are truly crying. crying for 40 million that only manny pacquiao can gave it to theme. shame on you mayweathers! goodgraces only goes to the good people. arrogant peoples gets hell! gotohell roger!!
mayweather could hav ask for random blood testing before..for some boxers he fought but why now?why would he want blood testing in pacquiao for thier fight? clearly…hes afraid of pacman..
may weather has been in boxing for years but didnt even ask for random bloodtesting before…poor pbf to scared…
Roger Mayweather clearly has the brain of a small earhtworm. I don’t blame Manny for refusing to take the test one bit, to me it doesn’t say he’s got anything to hide it merely says that he will not be dictated to by the lesser draw out of the two of them. I think Roach and Pacquiao are just saying ‘..you need us more than we need you.’ The only reason people want to see PBF fight is in the hope that someone will finally K-him-TFO!
@Simon
Nice one! Now do one for Xyclocaine
Apparently, you just describe Pacquiao in glowing terms. Coz he’s never in his life found cheating. Thank you for believing in him.
i like this article. logical.
yeah, if roger got that “A-side Meth” i’ll buy from him and follow the steps of great fighters. but i guess mayweathers prefer injecting xylocaine on their balls to keep it numbed the whole time
@KALEL
Ha ha ha! In your dreams!! Your Money May is broke and wouldn’t let go off Pac’s coattails because of big payday. But he’s torn between the money and his 0 lost. What can you do, he’s got no balls. He’s afraid of the midget. If he hadn’t come up with all of these silly demands, the fight would’ve happened.
Big man afraid of a little man. What a wimp!!
game set and match san diego! again well said man!
San Diego.
No. I have my fact straight. It’s you who didn’t understand. What I meant was Pac was the first to turn down a request for a test. Yes, he’s agreed to many tests in the past. But that doesn’t erase the fact that he turned down a request for random testing close to fight night. Again, nobody has ever walked away when his opponent requested for a test. Holyfield didn’t have a problem taking a blood test when Tyson accused him of using steroids.
I realize this is pro boxing. You’re stating the obvious. People need to realize that rules and the like can be changed when circumstances change over time….especially when we are living in an era where steroid use is running rampant. People get so damn sensitive but the fact of the matter is the blame rests on athletes like Sosa, McGwire, Mosley, etc. These superstar athletes give us reason to question other world class athletes. It’s sad but it’s just reality. Before 9/11 I didn’t have to undergo a pat-down search at an airport. Not something I enjoy doing but if it ensures safety and proves my innocence then so be it. Again, rules change as circumstances change.
Let me ask you this – do you really think 5 (I’m guessing) random tests within 30 days before fight night is really that hard to take? I realize it’s not within the standard rules of Boxing. But they are requesting you to take just a few extra steps. You are not required to walk a mile…chop off an arm…jump off a cliff. Just a few random tests. Remember that.
I don’t need to understand the details of what Pac’s reasons are. I don’t have to speak Tagalog. He states that he’s “weakened” by blood tests. That’s not hard to understand. He seriously needs more than 2 wks to recover from a blood test?? Sounds awful. Anyone with a right frame of mind knows it doesn’t take more than a few days to recover from such thing.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself for backing up his reason for denying random tests. He is not a handicapped child for crying out loud. We’re talking about a man who is a pro boxer, a man who didn’t have a problem training during a typhoon breakout in this country, a man who fought even harder (not weakened) by a serious cut over his eye during a first bout with Morales.
San Diego says:
January 28, 2010 at 2:27 am
“This is not the Olympics where Amateurs fight! This is PROFESSIONAL BOXING. Governed by the State Athletic Commission. If this was a problem, they would’ve implemented this rule since the get go of drugs in sports history.”
How does this make it right? Hiding behind the commissions is not valid or reasonable. If something is broken, why should fighters be forced to accept it?
Remember that these are the same commissions who never tested Mosley positive for steroids. The same commissions who had to be pressured to enforce a ban on Margarito, and even after that, are now expected to reinstate his license. Do you honestly believe they care even slightly about the safety of fighters?
Change happens with pressure. Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather are in a good position to provide that pressure.
“Oh, and the reason why USADA is pushing for it, is because USADA is a COMPANY SELLING A PRODUCT!”
This is true, but still doesn’t mean that USADA is wrong. That can be coupled with the fact that Team Mayweather said that any other agency could be used, so long as random blood testing was included in the regime.
USADA is reputable and are already now being used by professional tennis (as of 2009 I believe) for testing US-based players.
“But the State Athletic commissions already have blood testing in play and NO ONE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.”
John Ruiz complained about it. Several members of the drug testing community have laughed at it. There is no denying that the commissions tests are hopeless… ask Shane Mosley.
“Why hasn’t the State Commissions even wink an eye on this topic yet? Because it is unnecessary.”
The NSAC/CSAC haven’t winked an eye because there is no profit in it for them. Other sports are evolving to adopt this style of testing, boxing is just too money driven to follow suit.
“The urinalysis has evolved my friends. Even USADA has put money down on a new Urine Testing Method that is MORE EFFECTIVE than blood testing.”
This is partially correct, but not completely and is based on old information.
New strains of EPO (namely CERA) have proven to be more difficult to detect in urine, but show up more readily in blood tests: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2688586/
Like I’ve said from the start, I don’t know if Pacquiao (or any other boxer) is dirty or clean. All I know is that if he wants to do the right thing by boxing (the sport that gave him everything he has), then he should help this initiative rather than hinder it, then take on the cause himself to provide a safer atmosphere for fighters.
Something like this would look great on his political resume.
@Tbone
hey Oscar when you said that manny in HGH.. EPO.. steroid whatever! or why he is afraid of taking those UNRESONABLE TEST? IMHO you such a LOSER why can’t you accept that FVCK that manny destroyed you and your beautiful face? you are just using Pretty Babe Face excusing to save your reputaion that manny has beaten you and makes your pretty face into an ugly blind mouse!
This is the fight game.If a drug like this existed if ANY drug like this existed,everyone and their brother would be using it. And why does it only work for Manny. Roger Mayweather is a dumbass.
By the way Grimm, You should look at that list again and wonder why these people are the ones questioning Pacquiao. OF COURSE THEIR QUESTIONING PACQUIAO! THEY ALL HAVE THEIR PRIDES DAMAGED BY PACQUIAO! As for Teddy Atlas, ask him again who his source is. Of course someone from the Mayweather camp leaked an “email”. Why not? All the information pointing at Pacquiao being dirty was either spawned by Mayweather or Golden Boy. Of course we will defend Pacquiao! This is not the Olympics where Amateurs fight! This is PROFESSIONAL BOXING. Governed by the State Athletic Commission. If this was a problem, they would’ve implemented this rule since the get go of drugs in sports history.
Oh, and the reason why USADA is pushing for it, is because USADA is a COMPANY SELLING A PRODUCT! The product my friends is the procedure of drug testing that the camps will pay heavy money for to make sure a fight is insured of cleanliness. But the State Athletic commissions already have blood testing in play and NO ONE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT. Until Mayweather singled out Pacquiao after he found out how Pacquiao reacts to blood being pulled from his body. USADA loved the Mayweathers for getting there foot in the door for boxing my friends! Of Course they are going to sell the Sh*t out of their blood testing product! Why hasn’t the State Commissions even wink an eye on this topic yet? Because it is unnecessary. The urinalysis has evolved my friends. Even USADA has put money down on a new Urine Testing Method that is MORE EFFECTIVE than blood testing.
So when it comes down to it people, it’s not who’s clean and who’s dirty: “WHO ARE YOU GOING TO WATCH FIGHT?” I’m watching the Pacman! He don’t duck, he attack!
@ grim:
your word that pacquiao turned down to be blood tested is completely wrong..i mean very worng because he agreed to the test 24 days before and another right after the fight…please get real and just tell the truth..
@grim…get your statement straight about Manny being the only boxer who refused a blood test. No other boxer was required a blood test outside the necessary requirements of the Athletic state commission. Pacquiao evidently did NOT refuse a blood test before the Morales fight. Pacquiao gave blood AS REQUIRED FOR HIS NEVADA LICENSE before the Ricky Hatton Fight…and passed.
As for statements in Pacquiao’s camp regarding blood. How often are people getting the wrong information from the grapevine of communication? Especially since Pacquiao can’t even talk straight english! Imagine asking Pacquiao a question and he tries to answer in English or his Interpreter mis-construed his answer and first said: “Pacquiao is scared of needles”. Obviously didn’t come out right. So he tries to correct the statement that he’s trying to make. It seems so clear in Tagalog to him but a struggle in English. We have trouble understanding him in his interviews too.
It’s not just Floyd Sr who is at least suspicious of Pac being on PED. People I’ve read about who have made their suspicion public: JMM, Oscar DLH, Paulie Mali, Kermit Cintron, Miguel Cotto, Teddy Atlas. I am sure there are more.
But it really doesn’t matter who voiced it. Pac-May would be one the biggest fights in history. I don’t think there’s a problem with treating it like an Olympic game. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again – there’s a first time for everything. Incorporating random blood tests before a fight is not unreasonable. In the history of Boxing nobody has turned down a blood test besides Manny P.
People on this topic we need to deal with facts. Manny has never failed a drug test. First Roach said Manny will take any drug test five days up to the fight. Then his camp said Manny will not take any blood test. Manny camp then said that he was afraid of needles. Then Mayweather camp and Golden boy asked how could he be afraid of needles if he has tattoos. Then Manny Camp said they will give blood at the press conference 30 days before the fight and then after the fight. Then Mannnys camp said that Manny feel weak when he gives blood. Giving blood makes Manny feel weak and lead to him losing against Morrlaes. Then golden boy came with evidence showing Manny giving blood days before the Hatton fight. Then Manny ppl said he will give blood 24 days before the fight and thats it.Im not sayin Manny is dirty but one camp has given different answers to the question of blood testing. People we need to deal with fact not opinion. Sayin Mayweather is scared is an opinion. The only fact we has are the ones listed above and that Manny didn’t want to take a random blood test.
Just when i thought people would let it go. The posts are starting to look like cut/paste jobs from articles i have read all over the internet. Wasting time talking about Roger Mayweather is not getting anyone any real answers.Seriously how many times can you stomach the same arguments over and over again?
Dahhhhhhh….. Everybody knows that Pac Man is dirty……He’s hiding it…. All of these Pac Man fans on here think that he’s GOD almighty and are in denial….
They get offended and upset and have nervous breakdowns because to them that’s like being a kid and hearing a grown up say that santa clause ain’t real. It’s upsetting and their whole world gets turned upside down…
Pac Man ain’t real just like Santa Clause ain’t real. I wish it wasn’t so and he was honest but it is what it is….
Money May is the true P4P king…. Money May is true greatness…. Money May is the Champ…. Manny Pac is the true cheat…
The whole world knows it… Even Freddie Roach knows it deep down inside but he will keep quiet and continue getting paid and look the other way……..
All of you Pac Man fans know it deep down inside that the party is over and that your boy has been put on blast and that it’s just a matter of time before it all comes out just like it did when Margarito tried to cheat and put a little something extra in his gloves. When you cheat the truth comes out eventually…..
For all of you Floyd “Money” Mayniacs out there keep on posting and tell it like it is to these Pac man fans…. Let them know that Money May is the P4P G.O.A.T. of this era not some doped up pumped up cheat……
Mayweather needs to inject some HGH in his balls man and sign the Mosley deal already! What’s the hold up Mayweather?! Why is Mayweather Balking at the figures for his bout with Mosley?!!! Why are these Mayweather fans still barking at Pacquiao? Pacquiao isn’t his opponent anymore. They have nothing to be scared of anymore. Their precious Mayweather won’t get hurt by the scary Pacman! You now have to be more concerned with Shane Mosley! He’s gonna hurt Mayweather. Why are Mayweather supporters still trying to convince Filipinos that Pacquiao is no good? Why are they still thinking of Pacquiao? WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS SO FOCUSED ON PACQUIAO! Pacquiao fans are focused on Pacquiao. Mayweather fans are focused on Pacquiao too I suppose.
@ Jasz
I have a question for you. What is your take on Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa.
Pac is a straight up juicer. Period. Wake up people.
Jasz,
Giving in means giving the fans what they want. It also means Pac gets paid $40 million! A lot of Pac fans claim Floyd is bullying or harassing Manny. Are you kidding? A few random blood tests is considered harassment?? That’s gotta be the worst argument ever. It doesn’t take more than 5 days for any human being to recover from a simple blood test, I don’t care who you are. Now if they’re asking for 100 tests per day…fine, nobody should have to go through that and he has a right to walk away.
Fact is, it’s not an act of bullying. It’s called negotiation. It’s Manny’s job to say something along the lines of, “Ok, I’ll take your silly tests if you pay me $20 million for each test I take.”
Then he knows
JASZ: If Rogers Mayweather is a convicted ZDrug dealer as you alleges, the he knows what he is talking about. Drug dealers know who their customers are….
Bottom line is Floyd is a coward. There are no two ways about it. A trash-talker whose barks are worst than his bite. And Manny is the complete opposite of Floyd.
I blame the fight on Pacquiao! He should have taken some kind of real drug test to push back instead of not taken the fight. Mayweather would have kicked his azz up and around the ring and he knows it that why his team backed off of the fight. Face it Pacman need his PED’s to compete, Clottey is gonna be his first fight off the roids to get warmed up to fight clean.
Jasz,
“From where I come from you get your as* kick by accusing me of something without any proof just bec. you felt an itch somewhere.”
EXACTLY….so…why won’t Pac kick Floyd’s ass in the ring? Instead he chooses to fight him in court. That’s kinda like running home to your Mom to tell her someone called you a name.
And just how much of a case does Team Pac have? Roger and Floyd Sr. are the only ones who have technically stated they believe Pac is on PED. Suing them is like asking for money from a bum. Good luck with that!
@ Simon, nice. can u think about EPO? lol
YES PAC IS ON “PEDS”
P = POWER
E = ENDURANCE
D = DEDICATION
S = SPEED
SO DOES ANYONE STILL WONDER WHY HE IS THE P4P KING?
PAC IS ALL NATURAL
Yo little e you ,Talk the talk but cant walk the walk.Where you at littlleB.
Tbone. Relax, Pacquiao just got to the welterweight division. I too don’t really count De La Hoya. You’re right! De La Hoya doesn’t count. He was just too easy! Cotto indeed was a great challenge to Pacquiao! Even he said “Cotto hits very hard!”. It was twelve rounds of action man! At least the first 5 rounds were. But Pacquiao was triumphant! Don’t full yourself thinking that Clottey isn’t a good Welterweight contender. DO NOT TAKE AWAY ANYTHING FROM THIS GHANNIAN FIGHTER. He is tough, he has never been knocked down, and he gave Cotto a run for his money! I am excited for this Dallas fight man!
So again, relax, Pacquiao just got here….
this is to King…Mayweather fought Zab and Baldomir at welterweight. what are you talking about? The only guy up til this point pac fought at welterweight was a deflated de la hoya, and cotto. good one tho
PACQUIAO FANS ROOT FOR MANNY FOR DEEPER REASONS THAN JUST BRAGGING RIGHTS!!! WE ROOT FOR THE FILIPINO DREAM!
Paul The Punisher Williams…I do give you a LOT more credit than Mayweather. But only Pacquiao for me is the true champ. It’s not just because I am Filipino. It’s not just because I don’t live in a mansion and dream one day I can, It’s not just because I want to be able to be so popular that I can help my community by donating money and food to the poor. It’s not just because our country is poor, in need of blessings from above because the Philippines is really a hard place to live but we live in it anyway, It’s because we too like the african americans who were slaves to the white supremists, want to be free from corruption and disrespect. We are a country of honor. We love Manny because he makes the Filipino dream the american dream.
So thank you Paul for being a great and awesome champion. I have respect for you and would LOVE to see you fight Pacquiao, but you will always be somewhere around the second in my picks in Vegas!
No disrespect,Paul,Big fan,Just cheaking these crab ass winksters.
Eddie the biggest idiot,why he didnt comply.Obvious there is some thing there not addressing.Is there some thing there hideing.I heard the comment on ESPN.Stay out of grown folks conversation,Little fool.
recanstruction…don’t get mislead by refusing a drug testing. manny didn’t refuse the drug testing. what he refused is the demand of floyd of RANDOM BLOOD TESTING. manny just doesn’t to be a follower of floyd. that’s all to it.
Paul Williams, So true that we are indeed sick of even hearing ourselves fight over the mayweather Pacquiao fight. But hey, even I have to admit, it’s a blast tearing down Mayweather fans! I’ll enjoy it till they catch Pacman…Which they won’t! Why? Because they can’t!!!
Sorry BNB, Manny is a Catholic. Anything else you want to cut and paste? yeah, I read the article on the betting odds for Mayweather. Why don’t you copy and paste another article on Mayweather. We need more of those. Really, we do!
Couldn’t have been put better, San Diego
LOL Paul W. But that’s what “fans” do
Why is BNB posting stuff from the encyclopedia? or worse, Wikipedia? he doesn’t seem to have much to say anymore. Try typing something worth reading. It’s obviously better for Mayweather fans to write about Pacquiao than it is to write about Mayweather because Pacquiao is way more interesting. Even if Mayweather fans write about the controversies of Pacquiao, I suppose you can’t blame them because the controversies of Mayweather are boring and predictable. Roger Mayweather going to jail for beating a woman, predictable. Mayweather Balking about the Mosley fight because he believes he deserves to get paid more, predictable…So please, come visit the forums here and write more about Pacquiao. It’s welcomed. We understand you don’t like him because he makes your idol look like a chump. We know you can’t believe that the number one pound for pound king is asian! It’s a shocker, we know.
to ricanstruction:
that was a stupid made-up statement for all stupids to believe. Turn on your common senses!
to BNB:
27 Male virgins like Mr. Bean?
I, admit im alittle shock,Im a huge fan.Curioustly now dwell with in.Why he didnt comply,For the biggest payday of his career.Is there something hes hideing.Please say it not so.There were rumors looming,If manny is found to have enhancement drugs,Will it be made public,Makes you wonder.Is there some thing there hideing.why was there camp worry about exposure.Margirito,got over with cheating.Why not manny,Its a conspiracy if you ask me.
sweetsci, yes i am. i’m just trying to be funny. sorry if i gave a wrong message. it’s just that, the a-side meth by roger makes me laugh. bouncing bullets. if the pinoys have that, i think the Philippines would beat the whole world in the Olympics. and i think the Phils would be a military super power. Cheers.
Anybody who questions the worthiness of the boxing commission that regulated many/all of his past fights is simply an immoral thug that needs to be penalized!
UNTIL Manny is tested POSITIVE for any illegal drug under the rules of the BOXING COMMISSION that regulate his fights,
HE IS UNDOUBTEDLY THE BEST AND RIGHTEOUS P4P KING OF ALL TIME.
Just out of curiosity, how many fighters from the UFC have been caught using illegal PED’s.(A Fu#k TON) And as far as I know they use the exact same drug testing that boxing does, The Nevada athletic state commissions standard, so on that note if Pacquiao was using something he probably would of been caught just like all the guys from the UFC who thought they could get away with it.
Hey Vatos Locos! trust me, if is dirty, the Filipinos have first dibs on him, not you, not your mexican following, the FILIPINOS! And trust me, he will have it much worse coming from his countrymen than from you guys.
Why don’t you make sure your Homie Margarito isn’t loading up his gloves plaster!
BNB
you are pathetic
maybe the pacman has something to hide maybe he doesn’t. The real question is who does Floyd think his is. What gives him the right to demand extra testing that the guys who run the sport don’t see fit to administer. If he has a problem with the way drug testing in boxing is administered then he should take it up with the boxing commission, state his case and let them decide. I highly doubt Payton Manning is gonna demand olympic style drug testing on the saints defense after he saw what they did to Brett Farve, even though they played with such feircness they must be on something it couldn’t possibly be their desire to win. On a side note i’m really sick of hearing about this.
lakandula..i don’t really get what you mean. are you a filipino? sounds like it. if you are, thenyou should know our culture/tradition specially if you come from a humble beginning.
I love the sound of jealousy! It sounds like crybabies when their idols can’t live up to their expectations. It sounds like people who want Michael Jackson to go to jail for raping a kid but have no proof. It’s like White people who are envious that a Black man now runs the White House. They kick and scream shouting “liar!”, “Fraud!”, “Cheater!”. But when asked to prove such claims, they grumble on about hypothesis and lack of action to prove to THEM and ONLY THEM that he is for real.
Like the man they idolize, they can only run there mouths and foam because the rest of the boxing world agrees, Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao is an All Time Great. If you think that he’s been cheating, prove it! If you can’t, than go ahead and hide behind your smear campaign. The Pacquiao fans understand that THAT is all you’ve got!
hey sweetsci, i think manny is not really generous. he deprived his brother brother the a-side meth. along side the other pinoy fighters. lmao.
Everybody,a simple blood test equals $40 Million, that simple, if Pac doesn’t have nothing to hide, take the test and give us boxing fans the fight we want to see. Something ain’t right, I don’t even think Bill Gates would turn down $40 million dollars if he had to take a blood test.
hey ralph….i don’t know that manny is on steroid. i never heard anything about manny linked to any PEDs. where did you get your info? from a convicted drug dealer? are you on drugs? lol!!!
WE ALL KNWO PACQUIAO IS A STEROID USER.AND WILL KEEP GETTING AWAY AS LONG AS HE KEEPS FIGHTING TOP RANK FIGHTERS.PATHETIC FRAUD
if we’re talking about overall asset, then who’s the money now?
I love it! Pacquiao is going down in the History books as one of the greatest fighters of all time. No one will ever come up with proof showing otherwise. Not even the Mayweather fans are talking about Mayweather anymore! They are just so focused on trying to kick Manny Pacquiao down. They insult Pacquiao’s loyal fans, they crack these jokes and humor off against the Filipinos in almost a racist way, that they totally forgot about Mayweather! I haven’t even seen much articles on him unless it’s in relation to Pacquiao.
Hypothetically speaking since there is NO proof, if the Pacman was on HGH or PED’s, NO ONE WILL CATCH HIM because Bob Arum and the rest of Top Rank’s powerful allies will not allow THE CASH COW of boxing to go down during his reign. But even after Pacquiao retires, there will still be no proof. The issue will disappear. But the YouTube videos of Pacquiao’s legendary battles will play on for decades and decades to come. You can talk all you want, but you know that watching a Pacquiao fight is fun, exciting, enjoyable, memorable and inspiring! His Persona is lovable, fun, heroic, gennuine, a gentleman, and spiritual. He has an entire nation backing him up alongside with Millions of fans from around the globe. Do the Mayweather fans really think they outweigh the Pacquiao fans? Don’t forget, Pacquiao has been known all over the boxing world of Asia before he even got famous in the American Continents. ALL OF ENGLAND knows the man who devastated Hatton in two rounds with 2 knockouts in the first and one KTFO punch at the end of the 2nd.
So good luck to all Mayweather fans with your trash talk and baseless accusations. In the end, the WHOLE world will agree, Pacquiao’s name will be hung with the rest of the legends. Even Buster Douglas will be a more memorable name than Mayweather.
forbes report are overall asset. not just 2009 income. if you compare overall asset of floyd over over pac, i think floyd is not even close.
i see… that’s floyd’s overall income. not just in boxing. what about manny? i’m pretty sure he made almost or a little more that 40M on both fights alone. i don’t know if they also include his endorsement income outside U.S.
HGH in US are all over the place. LQQK at these FAT people around the mall. As FAT as they are… they are all eating ice cream. Just their leg alone is around 147 lbs. Their belly is sagging to the floor. How can you beat that? Hamburgers… these are filled with HGH. Now compare them to PACman on HGH?
i just don’t think floyd made $30m+ on 1 fight. it can’t be.
seriuosly……i don’t know how did they come out of that number(30.3M) floyd only have 1 fight(how much guarantee did he had on JMM fight?) my estimate is 12m, maybe? plus PPV(1.05m) i think 30% of that goes to the fighters. 65% to floyd/35% to JMM? if this is true, then floyd should only have $22.25m.
some people still don’t get it. if manny concedes to what mayweather’s demand, then manny becomes a mayweather follower. that’s why manny refused that random blood testing. which actually unnecessary. wake up people!!!!IT’S NOT A MATTER OF REFUSING A DRUG TEST. manny’s willing to do that.
nagkaloco-loco na si elloco. lol!!!
travis tygart works for USADA which governed by WADA. i think travis made an unprofessional comment regarding state athletic commisions. who is this guy? making such an unprofessional comment like that in public is not a typical attitude of a professional. if this is true, then why did marion jones allowed to compete in the olympics? why did ben johnson did in 1988 olympics?
Sr.: “Manny Pacquiao is a juicer”:
BNB: “Yes he is master”
Roger: “He is using A side Meth”
BNB: “Yes he is master”
Jr: “Now my minion’s go and spread the word”
BNB: “Yes master”
BNB walks away heading for his laptop to spread the word but forgot one thing so he turns around and says to Jr,
BNB: “Master I haven’t sucked your d!ck yet, will you be alright”
Jr: “Come back here, I forgot too.”
And the 2 had an awesome time together, and BNB is now typing away spreading the word that he’s masters asked him to spread. While still wiping off what appears to be white stuff around his face.
@BNB
Ahhh… just like you believe the Mayweathers..
March 13th, you’re all invited we have a barbeque in our house, to watch the fight.last time, we’re like 60 people, (agains cotto) it was a very energetic moment,so happy.
Get along guys, leave the millionaires alone, they rich,
my last post,
sorry if I’ve offended some.
thanks
I think so, test them all, start now
people……the only way to catch a doping athlete is to test them everyday randomly. some PEDs can only stay in your system in just a few hours. some athletes know that this is not going to happen everyday so they take their chances. as a matter of fact these athletes that are already tested they’re not gonna be tested again for quite some time. so they take their chances.
I’m a Filipino/Canadian, I have lived in the UK, the Middle East, and now Canada,
I am so happy whenever Manny fights, at long last we can compete at international level like this.
I would like to believe more in the fact that the human spirit is succeding over life’s battles, I got more inspired.
Until Manny is proven guilty, I will continue to think so.
till then.
@BNB
wow you actually googled what an IDIOT means? All you had to do was look at the mirror. LOL
Answer this, are there any EPO’s that can be flushed in a matter of days?
Your argument of 14days doesn’t hold water.
to tell you the truth, I have matured enough in my thinking to control my emotions, be careful of it my friend, it’s not always right, Let God be the God even your emotions, and you’ll reap the benefits
Although there is no proof showing that Pacquiao is using HGH or PED’s, there is no proof either that he is NOT shooting up. However, we are in a society where the burden of proof must be on the accuser and not the accused. I’m sure the fans of Pacquiao will agree, that if it is PROVEN that he is on any steroids or performance enhancing drugs, he will be de-throwned and shamed by his own people.
However, this is boxing. The one sport you can count on the mob or anyone else to protect their cash cows at all cost. I personally don’t think they will EVER prove that Pacquiao is using and he WILL retain his legacy as one of the All Time Greats. I believe that after even 5 years, people will forget this issue.
Mayweather may have just dug himself a very, very deep hole here. I can confidently say that he is doing this not out of the goodness of his heart for his fellow boxers to clean up the sport, but to play mind tricks on Manny thinking he can one up him for the so-called Mega-fight. If he wants to really clean up the sport, then Arum is right, raise the concerns to the commission. Not at the negotiation tables. After the fight blew off, I never heard a peep from the Mayweather camp about cleaning up boxing. The only thing you hear is cleaning up Pacquiao. They are obviously singling him out. Team Pacquiao could’ve easily request on the negotiation tables that xylocaine should not be used at all because it gives an unfair advantage. Did they bring that up? no. Didn’t have to. They were only concern with weight cause Mayweather has CHEATED Marquez on the scale.
I say that Pacquiao will never fess up and he doesn’t have to. I believe that if he took a drug test now, they will find NOTHING. But they won’t. Why you may ask? Because it is unnecessary.
On that note, I bet you ten to one that if you drug test Roger and Mayweather Sr, you will find Meth. Not A-Meth, just dirty, skank, low-life, meth. Our A-meth is Adobo! In fact i’ll share with you the ingredients so all of you can have an advantage!
Garlic, Soy Sauce, Vinegar, Bay Leaves, Whole Pepper Corns, Chicken or Pork, Cooking Oil. Don’t forget the white rice!
Bring the proof before you run the mouths. If all you have is accusations, then you have nothing but a tragic end to an undefeated fighter who will NEVER be named an All Time Great.
@mrsweetsci
leon is simply quoting BNB..
those were BNB’s line
hey leon…..imagine that your girl/wife is assuming that to you. and you know you have nothing to do with it. how does if feel?
BNB…..learn from descartes, will you?
@BNB
good quote BNB.. now learn it by heart… you certainly need it….
hey BNB…did you go to the site i asked you to? please do and tell me what you find out.
@ares
24days is what they asked… not the whole year or his 0….
how do you know the Pac doesn’t smack some bit*c around here and there.. them crazy bit*ches sometimes need a smack..It obvious you never had a crazy bit*ch chasing after you…especially and angry bit*ch who know you are cheating on her…
Assumptions again,
@BNB
how do you know the Pac doesn’t smack some bit*c around here and there.. them crazy bit*ches sometimes need a smack..It obvious you never had a crazy bit*ch chasing after you…especially and angry bit*ch who know you are cheating on her…
It only shows why you are on Mayweather’s side.. You are just another low life….
@BNB
So happened to the epo’s that will get flushed in a matter of hours?
Are they not worried that Manny might use those sort of drugs?
Heck, they even make up this A side myth bullcrap.. LOL
Random blood and urine testing is the best method for catching cheats. People seem to forget what a simple procedure a blood test is. Guys please remember what was asked for, random blood testing, not his right arm.
Pacman the womanizer, who has various mistresses and gambles heavily is a GOD.
Flawless human being, beyond judgement..even Christ the lord himself was judge…
Christ who was man correction, and if I find evidence he’s (Pacquiao) is womanizing I will be disappointed too, as to gambling, who doesnt sin anyways, The bible is full of people who were great sinners but used by God anyways, important thing is you give credit to God, especially in a big audience.
Nice movie by Denzel washington guys, watch it,
peace
You guys just can’t take it..
You guys would be hurting so much…. I don’t envy you… Because no matter how much you hate him, he will always have a mark in the world. And nothing you guys can do about it.
@BNB
What’s the 14 days going to do?
@BNB
One more suggestion because I can see your desperation now…
Go home and righ Roger.LOL
The only special diet I can think of that Manny Pac is in Is BALUT. This stuff makes you really strong and makes you feel like a superhero.. We should all shoot up BALUT and enjoy Life.
Roger need to hang-out in the Philippines and enjoy the native PED we offer for all his boxers.
@BNB
Oh so now it’s 3 weeks?
What happened to USADA/WADA statement of:
365 days a year, 24 hours a day, seven days a week — including holidays?
BNB
Pacman the womanizer, who has various mistresses and gambles heavily is a GOD.
Flawless human being, beyond judgement..even Christ the lord himself was judge…
Hahahahah you’ve lost the plot haven’t you?
Go get some help or better yet ring Roger for those A side Meth.. Might help, just might?
You have a really bad symptom/case of Mayweatherism. tsk tsk tsk.
hey idiots,
Why is it that USDA random blood tests are not implemented to any professional athlete / organization / competition ? Why do you keep forcing this issue to Pac alone and not the entire sport for fairness?
If you can answer this reasonably, this will make you less idiotic.
@BNB
NAIVE? LOL…. Ahh that’s a perfect word for you mate.
Who’s naive quiz:
1.)People who believe in Mayweather Sr., Jr., And Roger?
2.)Accuses people because of what others said?
3.)Can’t answer simple question to prove themselves wrong?
Sounds a lot like you mate.
I guess for some people it’s very rare to come across someone whose honest, principled and a hard worker who against all odd achieved what others do through boasting, drugs and media hype.
It just baffles them that there is really someone who could probably be it …. so the easy way to explain it is, this guy must be on to something.
Not different from an ignorant cop stopping a colored person just because his driving an expensive car…” hmmm he cannot afford that car maybe he stole it…gotta stop and get him to prove its his car ”
Is this not the way you guys are accusing Manny .. no basis at all other than … hmmmm then ignorance kick in … what a sad commentery in our time and age.
one more truth is believe it or not, Pacquio will choose dignity, sanity over money any day, just like any normal Filipino.
one fact, Filipinos are loved all over the world, we befriend people who are impossible to befriend.
Many taxi drivers in the Philippines return huge amount of money accidentally left by their passengers.
If Money acted what’s good for him, let him.
anyways, If you stand for what you think is right, and you believe God is with you, that’s already a majority.
peace
Frankly..nobody is implying that because pac is Asian he can’t be a top notch fighter…no need to take it there. The fact is Shane and James Toney both were on the juice and were top notch fighters so it has nothing to do with pac being Asian that people are wondering if he’s clean.
@crappy
hahahaha…
That’s probably the simplest way of putting it. Thanks mate.. made me laugh.
This topic keeps popping up.
Two kinds of people. 1)Idiots and 2)non-idiots.
1) Agree’s with Mayweather’s ludicrous USDA’s testing for amateurs.
2) Sticking to the principle of legal rules.
@leon
See what I mean…
That’s the hi-tech phase of CUT AND PASTE. LOL.
@BNB
And the 14 days mate? You got an answer on that one yet?
Here the bottom line. Both fighters are willing to do blood testing after the fight. Who more need the money Pacquiao or Mayweather?
You guys saying “if manny is not hiding something, then
Why not take the test?”, it’s because if manny did lose to
Floyd, and he did take the blood test, manny will look more like a ped user because he can’t juice up during the random blood tests!!
So really, whether manny takes the tests or refuse them, the only way he can prove everyone that he’s clean is to take the random blood tests AND win the fight against Floyd.
@leon
don’t say it that way mate, you might insult BNB…. LOL
He is very intelligent you know…
He googles a lot and believes all the interviews put up on them articles… Heck, he’s got the most trust worthy source in Mayweather SR. and Roger. LOL
@BNB
keep believing mate…
Amazing slowly but surely the lies against Manny is dying slowly but surely, lies for sure spread fast but the truth endures.
Millons of intelligent humans feel and think this way.
peace
@BNB
So what if these people tested positive, so what?
If I said you’re neighbor is a fugitive, does that make you a fugitive too?
Pacquiao is taking drugs, we all know that… I mean who would say no to a little bit of blood for $40 MILLION ?!! That’s just so obvious..
@BNB
Noone is saying NO to implementing a better drug testing for the commission.
The argument is about Pac being clean or not and if Mayweather’s request is even logical.
Stick that mate.
And just to answer your question, maybe a lot of people would say yes. But a man would principle would say no, and I for one would definitely say no. If I can’t become the best on my own, then I can accept the fact that I was never destined to be the best. Not all people value money that much mate.
hay vlad….what test are you talking about? the unnecessary random blood testing demanded by mayweather?
elloco…i don’t know why i still response to your post. maybe i think you need some psychological advice. most of your comment don’t make sense. c’mon dude, you can do better that that.
@BNB
Just answer my question mate, it’s very straight forward.
So what if it’s the steroids era, it doesn’t mean everyone is using it. Innocent until proven guilty.
I think we should forget about this issue its history…I don’t think PBF can dictate the fight with Manny anymore he had the chance but he and DLH blew it.
Whatever they say about manny his got a solid following of his countryman ( what 90 million ?) he already achieved what a lot of boxers dream of achieving financially, recognition and respect.
What about you mr. mayweather what have you achieved? Just Fight Mosley and let see what you are made of …you can shout ” i am the grestest ” for all I care but prove it…your not even close to the like of Henry amrstrong, joe frazier, Duran, Ali wake up man…you are good but definitely not the greatest , you don’t say your the greatest I we the boxing fans don’t say your the greatest.
If for whatever reason you don’t fight Mosley … you don’t need to shout anymore because we will know what you are made off.
MOSLEY – PACMAN 2010
BNB…..it’s true that blood testing can detect EPO or HGH but it can not distinguish whether it’s natural or artificial. natural HGH are the ones that the body produced. sometimes it’s abnormally high but it doesn’t mean it came from outside sources. you still need urine analysis to verify if it’s natural or artificial.
@elloco
One word to describe you and your argument…..
“PATHETIC”
@BNB
Come on… You would have googled so much infomation by now. Just a simple answer.
This has been going on for weeks already, all Pacquiao fans will continue to defend him because of the fact that Pacquiao has no history of being tested positive for PEDs and because of his humbleness and humanitarian works. Pachaters will continue to bash Pacquiao simply because they are “racist” and jealousy is eating their flesh to death, Pachaters can’t accept the “fact” that a small man from a third world country is very popular, well loved in the world and earning millions of dollars. I bet most Pachaters are bums and morons trying to make something out of their pathetic miserable lives (only about 10% of them still pry the internet blogs). I’m also sure that if ever Pacquiao agree to PBF’s blood testing BS and tested negative, pachaters will continue to believe in their delusional psychotic minds that Pacquiao still used PEDs and that he just beat the system just like other athletes did. Pachaters will continue to hate Pacquiao until their last breath more so if Pacquiao whups PBF’s punk-ass. To Pacquiao supporters my suggestion is to ignore these Pachaters (I know its difficult because of their racist remarks), they exist because people respond to them, you know, they need attention and they are getting it from blogs like this. To PBF supporters please initiate a campaign (get signatures) to request your idol to fight Mosley, if he gets pass Mosley his “coward” reputation may get dropped especially if he beats Mosley convincingly.
I’m not worried about the Random Blood Testing. Manny is clean. What I am worried is this person who might inject something onto Manny’s system. With so much money in line and pride of small nation like Philippines… conspiracy theory can always happen… everything is possible.
@BNB
Answer the question:
What’s the 14 days that Mayweather is asking for going to do?
@elloco
Fact: Manny has not tested negative
@elloco
Envious people are denial, they can see greatness in front of them but they turn around and discredit the man.
@vlad
You probably don’t know how much money Pacquaio already has or you just don’t know how much he’s pride is worth to him. Live in a country like him with nothing, and you’ll probably learn. Just probably.
@BNB
What did that copy and paste suppose to prove? That blood testing is needed everyday to find something? Well what’s Mayweather’s 14 days going to do? Pointless ain’t it?
If Manny has nothing to hide, then why not take the test??
He would rather miss out on $40 million than get caught being a drug cheat & have his legacy tarnished. Very Very Suss.
to me if you want the 147 pound belt then you fight at 147 not 145.
people think manny is on roids because he looks so strong against everyone he fights. he moves up and looks stronger and stronger. I think its because of all the catch weights he fights. could you even imagine what all the mayweather hater would say if he went and fought paul williams for his belt at a catch weight of 150 or something. somebody would probably blow up the mgm. but if the “GREAT PAC MAN” does it hes the man.
I think pacman will submit to random blood test if the boxing commission will order him….but not with maywether telling him to do so.
@everyone arguing that a pint of blood won’t disrupt Manny, answer this question:
Do you think you can convince a clustrophobic to walk inside a room packed with people just by saying, “look, it’s not doing anything to me, it’s fine, come in, join us in this packed room.”?
That is the sort of logic that applies to Pacquiao’s fear of giving blood close to a fight because of Morales I.
Envy,jealous,are the
Words to describe Mr. R.Mayweather’s
stance on the subject, if not ignorance.
@mrsweetsci,
There’s no point in making them read articles, because people like BNB will only choose to read what will support their argument. Instead of reading everything to widen there knowledge.
Roger’s talking out of his ass!
Pacquiao is just that good that some people can’t accept it.
BNB…..because you don’t know anything about it. of course you can’t argue. you think like a 3 year old kid.
hey BNB…i don’t know what’s got into your mind but c’mon dude, post something that you can back up with facts. you making yourself like a 3 year old kid.
thanks chris,
your insight added a whole new dimension to this debate!
GOOD ARTICLE
honest pac fan,
yeah that may be true and it sucks! it just goes to show that when people want to cheat they will find ways. its unfair to pac that all these other athletes were caught cheating, i mean marion jones for christ’s sake!
i don’t get why all these people want to put race into the argument… but then i can understand how they feel especially here in “white” america. if pac aint cheating it would be good for his country and they really do deserve it.
it doesn’t matter if you take the test 14days or 24 days before the fight.
BNB…..USADA falls under the regulation of WADA. their method of testing with regards to doping(PEDs) is urine analysis. they collected blood from athletes but for health screening only.
Pacquiao agreed to blood test with time frame. He is the champion and don’t want to be dictate from opponent, who is Mayweather anyway to change the rule of Nevada? Urine test is also accurate for PED and blood test after fight is good enough to test for PED, so shut your mouth, why Mayweather insist his 14 days time frame? If I’m the champion, I’ll not do it either, those are unnecessary blood test, it will disturb your concentration to workout and practice. Bottom line is, Mayweather doesn’t want to fight Pacquiao period. Mayweather Vs Mosley will not gonna happen, coz he is also scared to Mosley.
juan and tbone….let me remind you that NOBODY refuses drug testing. manny agreed to unlimited/random urine testing. please go to the website i posted below and you’ll find out.
@Juan and BNB
That’s right, we can never be sure until they take the tests. And until they (the boxers) get proven to have taken or used them then quit accusing.
Just as a side note, the argument is that some peds can be flushed out in a matter of hours, so what’s the 14 days that mayweather is asking going to do? That’s no different to the 24 days.
@ TBone:
With al that attention from the PEDs alegations, you really think Pacquiao would still gamble getting caught? Because even if he knw the current tests won’t detect PEDs or EPO, who’s to say he won’t get caught some other way, such as an eyewitness or a whistleblower?
Pacman is hella’ rich. He doesn’t need the money. He has no incentive to risk something so catastrophic, such as getting caught.
A loss to Floyd would be bad, but not as bad as if he were to get caught using PEDs. He loss to Erik Morales and rebounded just fine afterwards. In dact, became a bigger star after that defeat.
And Manny has always hgad endurance. So the need for EPO is unnecessary as well. If Pac had a habit of losing gas in fights, then fine. But he has always been known to be an Energizer bunny….even at the lower weights, even before anyone even speculated about possible PEDs use.
USADA must demand that Filipino GM Wesley So take a blood test for PEDS.
Test all asians that does well in boxing – even chess!
Heck, blood test this Filipino singer named Charice Pempengco!
These tiny Filipinos have no right to be great! They live in a third world country thus doesn’t have the right to be number one!
Let’s accuse Cambodia of harbouring weapons of mass destruction and nuke them!
hey run, if your gonna say something say something that adds to the debate, don’t attack me, it makes you look dumb.
like bnb said, this is the steroids era so how can we really be sure until there is proper testing. i think all fighters should be subject to random blood testing.
BNB…….i’ve seen some of your posts. oyu also accusing manny being on PEDs. how could you be so sure of your accusation?
If Manny was born in a ghetto somewhere in the US, there would be no PEDs usage accusation against Manny.
Poor Manny.
@ Juan,
What are you talking about? You must be one of those fans of those mexican boxers. Probably lost a lot of money gambling-placing all bets to Morales, Barrera and Marguez.Screw you man.
I’m going to have to say something to the writer. YOU’RE WRONG!
This is why…
You say that Pacquiao would be stupid if he were to keep using, when he is at that level. Ill say two things to that. One, if he knows he does not have to submit to USADA testing, why wouldnt he keep doing it? So your point on that front is completely deflated. Second, you say that because he is a humantarian, politician, and all of this..that means he wouldnt? I dont think i have to ask anyone this….do you know what Pac means to his country? Do you realize how much pressure he is under? Again, he needs to win, and if he knows he cant get caught..he will keep using!
Now, I am not saying he is on anything. Dont get me wrong, i have no idea. I am just disagreeing with your logic. Second, IF Pacman is using…i dont think he even knows about it. Look at Roachs record..he had a fighter who was juiced. Surprised? you shouldnt be. Second, I dont trust a guy like Ariza…who states “he is getting more powerful and faster as he goes up in weight.” That statement doesnt even make logical sense.
Now, onto the Mayweather part. Yes, we all know that Mayweather is not a power puncher. I will agree with you 1000 percent. But in case you were unaware, thats not the point of EPO. EPO is to help heal quicker, better and it brings extra energy to the ring. Why would that be important against Mayweather you ask? Well, Mayweather is known to wear his opponents down as the fight goes along. Because of his movement, his defense, and his punching accuracy. Again, this is why this is so important when it comes to Mayweather.
I am not stating whether Pacman is on anything or not…because frankly, i dont know. But your argument as to why its ridiculous what people are saying, is not logical.
(now, i dont know why you’re worried what Roger is saying. we all know hes not the most educated person in the world).
Floyd can’t handle the fact that Manny is a better fighter than him. Pac already has a better resume at welter than Mayweather, Cotto, De La Hoya and now Clottey. Mayweather has been at welter for 5 years now and fought Hatton and Marquez. Don’t hold your breath on him fighting Mosley either, Malignaggi or some other smaller guy is more his style!
“Pacman the great warrior” does not need anything to topple all previous opponents as his stats shows way back when he was just starting as an amateur. He’s won most of his fights via KO against much biggger, more matured, more experienced oppositions in the ring. Moreso, he would’nt need any of these synthetic drugs to enhance his punching power against someone who punch like a girl in Mayweathers category. Let’s be honest, PBF is highly over-rated boxer. His 40-0 record is a product of hand-picking opponents just like Julio Cesar Chaves Jr. is undefeated but against who??? I doubt it very much if he’s not ducking Mosley again.
Who is the bigger name in boxing?
Google these phrases:
“mayweather vs pacquiao” = results 12.6 million
“pacquiao vs mayweather” = results 18 million
“mayweather-pacquiao” = results 0.73 million
“pacquiao-mayweather” = results 2.18 million
Whatever helps you sleep at night Juan!
Guys I agree with you. This is a discrete simple discrimination. We are not stupid people.
listen to yourselves, Asian discrimination; don’t be so naive, he cheats and will never admit it because the stakes are too high. his legacy will be shattered, his all time status will be infamous and worse yet is all his fans will fall deeper in to an inferiority complex.
it is because he is human that he cheats. plain and simple. the real coward is pac because he is scared to take a few spoonfulls of blood. oh and mayweather standing in the ring doesn’t help. when this fight is finally made, pac will look very ordinary.
lets just all agree that floyd mayweather is a coward and a ducker, and close the book for good.
I agree, if it was an another person and not an asian like manny who is in his place, he would not have been in this kind of scrutiny that manny is having.
my thoughts exactly….
Manny’s detractors can not just accept the fact that a boxing hero would come from a third world country the Philippines. Do you hear the same thing against Mayweather? Probably not…Why???? You already know the answer…
I agree with the author….
Pacquiao is purely natural.