How Mayweather leveled the playing field
January 17th, 2010
By Dezzie Lightbulb: Now that much of the dust has settled from the recent blow-up between Pacquiao and Mayweather, we can take the time to discuss what it was really all about. Mayweather said at the time that all he wanted was a level playing field, and hence the need for Olympic style blood testing to be carried out by the USADA. This, he claimed, would ensure that neither boxer would have any opportunity to use steroids, EPOs, PEDs, or HGH. The actual scientific validity of this claim is still open to very heated debate. Nevertheless this demand turned out to be the sticking point which eventually scuttled the March 13th super-bout.
Future boxing historians will almost certainly describe a pre Pacquiao Mayweather negotiations period, and the corresponding post negotiations period. A portrait of Floyd Mayweather Jr. will be pretty much the same in both the pre and post periods. The portrait of Manny Pacquiao will however be quite different from one period to the other. In the pre negotiations period he will be simply seen as the pound for pound number 1 in boxing, who was riding the crest of a huge wave. In the post negotiations period he may well have an asterisk by his name, carrying the mention `suspected illegal drug user`. It is possible that this doubt will hang over Pacquiao`s head for the rest of his life.
Hopefully our future boxing historians will be wise enough to understand that Pacquiao has fallen victim to something which has been known to scientists for centuries. So long in fact that even the Romans had a name for it; argumentum ad ignorantiam, “appeal to ignorance”. This is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that something is true because it has not been proven false. A competent scientist will of course reject such an argument out of hand simply because; 1. These arguments just do not hold water, 2. They can never be disproved, but prove nothing, and 3. They have been repeatedly used by every crackpot in the history of science, while never producing one single positive result.
In the boxing world however this is a fairly new tactic, and many have been taken in by it. As a result Pacquiao now finds himself in a cruel `catch 22` situation. Believe it or not, even if Pacquiao had agreed to the Olympic style blood tests, he would still not be proven innocent. There would surely be a number of writers and self-proclaimed scientists who would point out the blood tests were insufficient, and did not test for such-and-such drug. And we would be back to square one. Pacquiao finds himself in a situation where he just can`t win. There is a very good reason why in the legal world the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. The fact is that proving one`s innocence is often quite simply impossible.
While the use by Mayweather of the infamous “appeal to ignorance” argument does not prove Pacquiao`s innocence, I hope that boxing fans are intelligent enough to see it for what it is; its purpose is to set up a doubt which can never be disproved, and today we can witness just how successful it has been.
Now what has all this to do with Mayweather levelling the playing field? For that we need to go back to (or should I say forward to?) our future boxing historians. We have already seen how Pacquiao`s name may well have an asterisk beside it from now on. Mayweather`s name already had an asterisk beside it in the pre negotiations period, and will, now probably more than ever, always have one, sporting the mention `possible cherry-picking ducker`.
One asterisk all.
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Good point, Aaron. Was just about to bring that up. Boxers have been given too much power. I feel that Boxing authorities, whomever it may be, should make the terms and conditions. It should be like a team game where both sides just go out and compete and easily abide by the rules. Floyd and Pac need a referee OUTSIDE the ring.
I think anybody in any of these threads trying to argue the case for “their” fighter are, of course, forced to bias. The fact of the matter is that Manny and Floyd are not going to fight, we can sit here all day and argue over who is ducking who and who’s fault it is but we simply do not know. Manny has fought cans, Mayweather has fought cans (although Manny has fought less, I’ll admit), I guarantee you both camp’s have picked the best fight for their fighter’s over their career. When you’re the best, you get such a privelege. Do any of the big title’s (the big four) even enforce mandatory #1 challengers anymore? The breakdown of this negotiation does show how broken boxing truly is, but if governing bodies actually enforced mandatories and whatnot, and had a defined set of what a fighter CANNOT ask for in contract from their opponent, we wouldn’t have these problems. Boxing has ran itself into a corner and this whole debacle simply brings that fact for the forefront.
To PIJoe:
I think you have me confused with somebody else?
@cabriolet98146 – “WHO HAS PAC FOUGHT THAT FLOYD DIDNT” Pac has 10 fights against “can’t miss” future Hall of Famers to Floyd’s THREE. He fought most of these guys while coming up from Jr Fly to Welter. Floyd went from Super Feather to Welter without fighting ONE future HOFer.
“BEFORE THESE 3 FIGHTS WHO DID PAC BEAT SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME?” Pacquiao beat Marquez, Barrera, Sasakul and Hatton. That’s 4 Lineal Titles (the record). 7 titles in 7 diff divisions (the record). Title weight span 24% Flyweight to Welter (the record). Pacquiao is a more decorated professional boxer than Mayweather in every sense. The only thing Floyd has over Manny is a damned Olympic BRONZE medal.
I would love to see better more stringent PED testing by the NSAC. Just not for one fight, one time. Either apply it across the board to all fighters or continue to use the same test they use now.
Floyd Mayweather Jr…hmmm, let me see. 50% of Americans hate him and would love to see him lose and get knocked out because of his arrogance, dirty mouth and an ego as big as his mouth.
Manny Pacquiao — 100% of a whole country is behind him, win or lose. That’s 50 million people. Life stops in that country when he fights. No traffic, no crime, no movement. Everything stops. Everybody watch him fight. In addition, probably the whole of Asia admires and supports him. That’a am additional 1 billion people.
So who is bigger, Floyd or Manny? Just search in Google and put their names in and you’ll find out.
Well, for all of you Mayweather fans. Do to the unfortunate situation going on in Haiti, Berto cancelled his fight with Mosley. Do you think your boy Mayweather will step up and fight Mosley? I’m sure that fight could make more than the Pac/Clottey fight, we will see. I’m going to go to say no chance….
VERY BIASED ARTICLE. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH IMPROVING THE TESTING METHODS. YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND THE BEST PLACE TO START IS WITH THE BEST FIGHTERS, ANYONE WHO DOESNT WANT TO COMPLY MUST BE CONSIDERED DIRTY.
Oh yeah, I almost fogot. And the 147 limit. That was May’s compromise to Pac? Really? So you are saying that the fight for Pac’s welterweight title should have been fought at the junior middleweight limit and that Mayweather magnanimously “caved” to Pac’s insistance of 147? Wanna rethink that comment again? And this makes sense to you? Pac NEVER weighed 147 for a fight in his entire career. His career high was 144 for Cotto. Pac’s ideal weight is 140 now.(see Hatton fight at 140) He has to stuff himself to death to even get up to 144. He is nevertheless fighting Clottey at 147 because that is the kind of man he is. I am sure he would rather fight May at 140 or some catchweight in between. It is Pac who relented on the weight and gave in to May’s 147. You don’t seriously think May would have the audacity to even suggest 154 to Pac in front of the entire boxing world do you? Who do you think Pac is, Marquez?
FP, the ring size is always the same in Nevada, and May is the one who chose Nevada because it is the only state in which his Xylocaine use is not illegal. The 10M pen was absolutely justified. I think it should have been $20M. Don’t thinks so? Ok, ask JM Marquez about that. On purse split, as you wll recall, it was the other way around. Manny absolutely refused to do the fight unless he got the lion’s share, but finally gave in to 50/50 to make the fight. He is the champ and P4P best, remember? You don’t get p4p title unless you fight the best and the does not mean the best 2 weight classes below you. Last I heard, May was negotiating with Ricardo Lopez camp because was the absolute best….at 106 lbs. May is a pathetic joke and we, the boxing public, are even more pathetic for paying him all that money to watch dance performances we could have seen for free on dancing with the stars. May says he is an entertainer. OK, I will give him that. He sure as hell isn’t a fighter. He has talent sure. great talent in fact. Shame on him for calling himself the best while refusing to test that talent against someone who could actually take away his precious “0″
If he’s going to pick on small guy’s he should at least fight Valero
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL MAYWEATHER OPPONENT WATCH!!!
Did the PBF camp pick an opponent yet? No? Not yet?
Oh no! It’s one training day less for the lucky guy that will be chosen for the Mar 13 day schedule.
Once again folks, watch closely how PBF and team use their “CHERRY PICKING” skills. PBF is constantly training in anticipation for this date. They will then pick a smaller/lighter weight class fighter only a FEW WEEKS before the fight and “REQUIRE” him to come up in weight for that short duration, and fight under WW class.
Do you guys really know how difficult it is to ADD 8 – 12 LBS of world class MUSCLE and preserve your speed? … in such a short time?
In addition, at these level of competition, there is a BIG difference between a fighters weight at “weigh-in” day vs “fight night” weight.
The candidate being seriously considered is CAMPBELL, a 37 YRS OLD, who fought LW most of his career and has NEVER weighed more than 138lbs(fighting weight). And this guy will be forced to come up to WELTERWIGHT @ 147Lbs?
Would you really consider that a fair fight in the WW division?
And so…. 54 days left and counting….. tic…toc…tic…toc……..zzzzzzz
There never will be and should not be asterisks next to Pac’s record. He never failed a blood or urine test. He has agreed to unlimited random urine tests. He as abided by ALL of the testing rules for any governing body he every fought under. PBF is a chickensh-t.
May leveled the field and he fell right off it, onto/into his own little playpen. Perhaps he’ll find someone he can spar with somewhere else while real fighter get it on. There is going to be a barn burner in Dallas 3/13/10
lex_fugitive,
You are just stirring the issue and create a confusion.
By insisting the ‘never been applied to any professional competition’ olympic style blood drug testing until the last day of negotiation, Mayweather has found the way out – confirming his reputation of ducking fighters he thinks can risk his zero loss. If you refuse to accept this fact, you are either a complete idiot or just messing around.
Joshua Clottey is the highest available top rank contender at no.5. In fact, many believe Clottey won over Cotto in their last outing. There are no other available higher rank welterweight fighter other than Clottey as Mayweather backed out while Mosley and Berto have their own date.
Pac takes a high risk by fighting at full 147lb against a tough and really big weltwerweight fighter.
BS,
You are absollutely right. Manny has the right to run from any “boxer”. He clearly exercised that right by refusing to fight Floyd. Fighting Clottey will be the first time in over 10 years Manny has made a title defense. It will also be the first time he’s fought a WW at WW. If Floyd had scheduled a fight with Clottey everyone would be crying how he is fighting second tier guys.
Enough had been said. But in my opinion, the fight did happen if not only because of Arum. Arum was already tired of Mayweather tactics of bullying, that’s why he cancelled the fight. And he had the right to do so.
145 vs 145 is respectable.
146 vs 140 is absolutely laughable!
wowza,
Apparently Manny is trying to change the rules about what weight classes are though. He somehow won a WW belt in a fight that wasn’t even a WW fight!
FP,
Actually you are wrong. Floyd caved or agreed to 147, ring size, gloves- which are always negotoable including Leonard-Hagler, the $10 mill. pen. was in the original proposal-every fighter has the right to not fight if his opponent comes in overweight- if he chooses to go ahead there are rules in place that penalize the overweight fighter, a special foreign marketing agent, and no one thought a Manny-Floyd fight would take place unless Manny took less than 50 of the purse. And why was bood testing not a big deal right away?? Because Floyd hadn’t caved to everything else Manny wanted yet, as soon as they saw Floyd really wanted this fight than team Pacquiao started with the excuses or lies, about why he won’t take any random blood tests.
Conspiracy nutters – I mean PBF nuthuggers, get ur heads out of your asses, and be part of the real world.
mayweathers to blame for all this fiasco if he just drops the BS we would have seen a good boxing match this march
floyd made a mistakes,same as golden boy,public opinion shows he chicken out from the fight!most bloggers feel the same way too and all boxing fans who shared their comments.no decent boxing fans will watch floyd fight lesser opponent its just a waste of money.hbo will cover the fight on ppv.even if its free it will not be shown the same time as pacquiao on march 13.floyd now regrets evrythings he has done not to mention the defamation case and the irs tax on floyd.good for you.
WAYNE:
This question have been answered many times before and by well respected boxing gurus, but I see you keep refusing to recognize it. But anyway, I’ll give you just a short version:
With the TRIO- MARQUEZ, BARRERA and MORALES he went 5-1-1.
But the key is how he won the fight is either coming up or maxing up in weight or he was fighting them on same level and these boxers were in their prime. Also J.DIAZ- LW champ/title holder he came up for that fight.
Not like PBF – he picks, old, has beens and coerced to adjust to him, and I know you know that’s a big edge.
This is a bias report and pls open your light Mr Lightbulb. Pls tell Mr mayweather to demand the same stuff before his next fight so he can hide his cowardness.
sounds like he tarnished himself aswell
NEWSFLASH!!!!
HBO PPV have now indicated their intention to support the PACQUIAO/CLOTTEY fight on Mar 13, and is now recommending to postpone MAYWEATHERS’ desire to fight on the same night. Unless PBF camp comes up with notable WW contender fighter, they intend to just show his fight on regular HBO!!!
and manny is not broke like floyd hurt hands maylocaine
ur right manny said no to the stipulation of blood testing becuase floyyd wanted it unlimited and until fight nite and knowing that manny has a mental weakness to bllod drawing. he is a coward to attack him like that. and if manny were to accept manny would not be at 100% and he knows that all to well
cabriolet98146 – WHO HAS PAC FOUGHT THAT FLOYD DIDNT ALREADY BEAT MAN YOU SOUND CRAZY! HE BEAT A OLD DRAINED DE LA HOYA, HE BEAT HATTON AFTER MAYWEATHER KNOCKED HIS ASS OUT AND HE BEAT COTTO WHO WAS COMING OFF TWO SERIOUS ASSSSS KICKINGS… BEFORE THESE 3 FIGHTS WHO DID PAC BEAT SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME
Mayweather is not a real champion. He is coward and a cheater,period….
LOL MAYWEATHER A DUCKER LOL HE SAID NO TO 40-50 MILLION BECAUSE OF A BLOOD TEST, WE ALL KNOW THT BOB WAS FORCING MANNY TO FIGHT MAYWEATHER BECAUSE OF HIS OWN DISLIKE AND MANNY SAID NO BECAUSE OF A FEW BLOOD TEST LOL COME ON IS THAT STUPID!!! WHY WOULD HE SAY NO TO A BLOOD TEST PEASE MAKE SENSE OF THAT TO ALL THE BOXING FANS
WAYNE, it’s quite obvious that you are just cheerleading for MAYWEATHER. Move on. PBF vs MP is not going to happen.
They have caught on to his tricks. In fact, if I’m with MP and team, I will recommend that PBF first prove his worth by fighting one of the top contenders before MP fights him.
Then and only then that MP will give him a contract under THESE TERMS:
1) fight to be held outside NEVADA
2) FIGHT NIGHT weight is 147
3) Penaltly PER pound over weight is 15mil NOT 10mil
sorry wayne ur argument sucks and u been trying to state something that has been played out…
lets talk about floyd hurt hands maylocaine’s next fite.. who will it be? someone in the top 5 welter? how about top 10? none he ducks the top 20 welters and will bring up a top 10 lightweight or a top 20 jr. welter. and fight them at an outrageous 147 his natural weight. the ego manny could careless about hes lost b4 so he is humble. maylocaine know about mannys weakness in blood drawing and is trying to exploit it. knowing that u cant train until 3 days after the draw and trying to get unlimited tests done 14 days b4 the fight only leaves manny 11 days to train and get past tha mental threat. bot only that GBP can ask for it once a weak and manys training schedule would be all f****** up mayweaher knows this and this is y he was alright with all the other stips on the negotiations table. he wanted to point manny out and make manny cal the fight and not be the one to say it personally… oh here is acouple of facts. floyd ducked cotto 4 years ago, his excuse cotto lives in puerto rico.. says pacman is too small for him and fight jmm. y. people wanna say floyd is the cash cow not any more. and not since hes come back. its been manny all the way ya it was not one million in ppv that he drew it was 1.05 and manny cotto did 1.25 and it was a great fight not a boring floyd match
FB ARE SERIOUS? CAN ANYONE TELL ME AND BE HONEST WHO THE HELL KNEW OF PACMAN UNTIL HIS LAST 3 FIGHTS… HE IS A JUDING ERROR AWAY FROM HIM HAVING JMM CAREER AND JMM HAVING HIS!
MAYWEATHER IS P4P CHAMP STILL, THIS THING ABOUT HM AVOIDING PEOPLE IS CRAZY…. HE HAS BEATEN MORE CHAMPIONS! PAC IS A FUN EXCITING FIGHER BUT MAYWEATHER WOULD TAKE THAT AWAY AND MAKE IT A BOXING MATCH! MAYWEATHR IS AT HIS BEST AGAINST PUNCHERS, AND HE IS ACCURATE HE MAKES THEM NOT WANT TO PUNCH! TELL ME ONE FIGHTER PAC HAS BEATEN WHEN HE WAS ON TOP!!! HIS BODY OF WORK IS NO WHERE NEAR MAYWEATHERS!
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Catillo
Arturo Gatti
Zab judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar De La Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
FLOYD MAYWEATHER is just trying to “CASH IN” at the expense of PACQUIAO. He have not proven himself as a TRUE WW boxer.
Even HBO would not(now) support his fight under PPV, if he fights a boring non-WW class/top contender fighter. They will just plan to show his fight on regular HBO.
@wayne, Mayweather did not accept any terms from Manny.
1. 50/50. Manny could’ve ask for more but the only way to get this done is 50/50. So who gave in here. Floyd? You got to be kidding me.
2. 10million? actually the option roach and manny agreed upon was anything over 147lb they were going to walk. either way, Floyd was to come in at 147lb. So everyone here was expecting Floyd to be over 147lb? and you think 10 million was a give in for Floyd? you got to be kidding me.
3. Lastly, Mayweather CAN wear 10oz gloves if he wanted to. Manny petitioned awhile back before he went up to WW to oveerturn some rules about 10oz gloves only in WW able to use 8oz gloves. And they granted the request. So who gave in here. Noone becuase both fighters can choose 8oz gloves or 10oz gloves.
Mayweather did not give in to anything. period.
of that 50 million pac has to give GBP 10 % that 5 million, may be more .why reward oscar for flaming him. best to sue and win first then ,then take the money fight and not pay that money,and sue also for damages ,.that what a smart person would do.all manny all has to say is judge look at the forums ,if his names is mention steriods is close behind,vs 1 year ago ,its a easy cast .watch manny get 7 million +
of that 50 million pac has to give GBP 10 % that 5 million, may be more .why reward oscar for flaming him. best to sue and win first then ,then take the money fight and not pay that money,and sue also for damages ,.that what a smart person would do.all manny all has to say is judge look at the forums ,if his names is mention steriod is close behind,vs 1 year ago ,its a easy cast .watch manny get 7 million +
Hey WAYNE, why have not answered my question?
WHO do you think should be PBF’s “forward” move?(now?)
The fact of the matter is: Mayweather built his career fighting boxers where he always has an edge. And with a good marketing media, they sell “him” as a WW contender.
But now people had caught on, they are calling him on it. To prove his claim as one of the best WW, he have to fight one of the best WW in the WW class!!!!
come on people lets be real who would give up 40-50 million and being apart of history because of soe blood test! we are all men here and we all have ego’s and when they are challenged we won’t do what makes sense, MAYWEATHER gave pac 50% of purse when we all thought money would be BIG issue, he allowed him to pic weight gloves and agreed to pay 10 freaking MILLION for every pound over weight! thats a freaking lot for even a under dog t give up much less MAYWEATHER! pac will fight clottey without the steriods without to see how it feels and if he does well he will agree to random drug testing with MAYWEATHER later in the year! and if he loses to clottey which is a possibility, he would rather lose to clottey than MAYWEATHER!!! MAYWEATHER HAS FOUGHT MORE CHAMPS AND HALL OF FAM FIGHTERS AT THERE BEST ON THERE TERMS FOR SO LONG HE SEARCHED FOR THE TOUGH FIGHTS THAT WERE SLOW TO COME AND NOW HE IS ON TOP THEY ARE CALLING HIM… BACK TO MY EGO POINT HE IS ONLY DOING WHAT MOST MEAN WOULD DO!
“We have already seen how Pacquiao`s name may well have an asterisk beside it from now on.”
What reputable magazine, commission, historian would put an Asterisk on Manny’s name. What..they’ll put a footnote stating the asterisk is becuase he was quilty of using PEDS? You stupid? Or is it that he is accused of using PEDS? that is even more stupid. The asterisk is all the people that have doubt without the benefit of seeing facts. And these people are couch potatoe analysts that has nothing better to do but judge a person by accepting infomration from people who fall under the criminial justice system, the mayweathers. LOL!
I am not personally worried about Mayweather. I am more concerned about Erik Morales, Marquez, De la Hoya, Cotto, and Hatton. Where is the justice for them?
its not breaking news bcuz clottey to my knowledge has not came in over weight in his last fite! no real basis for ur argument there champ
Move on people. Fact is Pac has a fight. Everyone’s waiting who will Flo fight. Anything can happen after this stage… so chill out with the Pac vs Flo and save your emotions for the part 2 late this year. The good thing is other boxers will are emerging because of this saga.
We all know that all the accusers know for a fact that Manny is clean, especially the Mayweathers. But they can’t accept the fact that there is someone out there named Manny is better, more talented more popular than them or their idol named Money. It is all about jealousy. They can’t take that an Asian man, or a little Filipino as they always describe Manny is capable of being a great boxer.
its not just some drops of blood. gosh i hate when people just talk.. i feel like they dont read the blog to see what people rite nor do they read to even know what to talk about. ur just saying stuff that others have written b4. but let me clear the issue.. youtube manny interview after the first morales fight…. then listen to roach on how long it takes manny to recoop. then try to b open minded enough o reaize that mannys next fite is againts a top 5 welter.. who is floyd hurt hands maylocaine gonna fight next? a top 5? how bout a top 10 welter?….. tell me has his past suggested he will fight a top welter? ……..zzzzzzz no they havent. kermit cintron ya right he wont fight him he hits to hard. but talk about someone being destroyed by margarito in cotto. floyd may want ti fite another fighter that got handed a beat down by margarito? what hypocrite
Breaking news; no $10 million penalty in fight with Clottey! Manny only needs new rules against Floyd
All this is crazy. First people accused Barry Bonds and Mark Mcguire without any proof. Now they’re doing it to Manny too. Never taking any test that would show HGH, EPO and a whole host of other PEDs oobviously means you are clean. What’s that? Some guy named Mark something, who had as much proof against him as Manny does just admitted he used PEDs almost his whole career?
If some drops of blood left Pacquiao punches “snapless” and he lost a fight, then he won a couple of fight over weight drained people.
think oscar and floyd in bed with each other,not literately ,but in the sense of both agreeing to hold manny back to the best fighter,just leave it as is ,manny 7 title,oscar and floys 5 title,and p4p between Floyd and manny.oscar wins his legacy ,and floyd gets a way out ,his record,letting GBP represent him.thinks pac going to need a b.test for mosley too.so much for pride.and money.
drop timothy bradley from the list.he out
0oo….floyd ,who is the lucky fellow…….
the diffrents in manny now is he used to be a fighter with a only ko left hook and fast hands and good footwork,,when he fought pee boy,he develop that power in right hand in the oscar fight,and learn to fight on the outside boxing with a long reach cutting you up..and he started to use the half uppercutting angle with real power.and had the ko right hand in the ricky fight,in the cotto fight he shone he could take a punch,and shone he could also throw off balance a could still ko you.right or left hand. pac grows into a better fighter each fight.
Mayweather will have no asterisks next to his name. He’s played the game fair since day one. “Ducking” and “dodging” isn’t against the rules, but using steroids is.
Had Pacquiao agreed to the randomized blood testing, he wouldn’t have that asterisks next to his name.
Had he simply declined and gave no comment, he wouldn’t have that asterisks next to his name.
The trouble is the extremely ignorant and ridiculous comments his team had made starting with Ariza’s “he has no idea what I give him” statement. Then when you follow that up with denying the random blood testing and using terrible excuses to justify why, it creates a snowball effect. Now there is a reasonable doubt, and in sports today, that’s all that is needed.
Mayweather
Pacquiao*
EPOManny says:
January 17, 2010 at 4:41 pm
@Cabriolet: You’re right, it is very difficult to gain weight and maintain speed and power. This makes the suspicions of suspected drug use by Manny more glaring.
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This statement is true.
But before I expand on this statement as it relates to MP, How fast a weight gain is too fast in your opinion, or as you know it, instead of just playing on words argument?
EPOManny ..but manny always had power ,he has knock down every fighter he fought,all but 2. a earlier fighter and oscar,both fight were stopped and would have been knock out too.he has 48 ko he know how to punch,useing whole body.he 30 so 7 LB comes EASY,I think he clean
TO WAYNE:
If you think that PACQUIAO fighting CLOTTEY is a “backwards” move… then what should have been his “forward” move?
More importantly what should be the “forward” move for MAYWEATHER since MP vs. PBF is not happening?
Take note that CLOTTEY is ranked as TOP (5) WW CLASS and was a (recently) former WW title holder.
Wouldnt’ you agree that as of today MAYWEATHER have not chosen anybody nor declared any intention to fight, let alone in the TOP WW class!.
@bxn24_p == What you said is simply a LIE. That’s why is random because you never know when they will come to collect the samples. You are a moron.
Pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. rejected promoter Bob Arum’s $8 million offer to fight welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito, and he instead exercised a provision in his contract to buy Arum out and become a promotional free agent for $750,000. According to one article on ESPN from 2006 – Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million. Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn’t interested in participating in. “That’s not in the cards,” Arum said. “He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It’s not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em. We’ll talk about things down the road.” The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result. Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya. “I don’t want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it’s not worth it,” he said.So when Mayweather split with Arum he made the fight with De La Hoya and that fight broke all the previous records on PPV and gate buys (Oscar made 52 million and Floyd 25 million respectively). Arum cannot forgive Mayweather for becoming his own boss.
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Diego Corrales
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Catillo
Arturo Gatti
Zab judah
Carlos Baldomir
Oscar De La Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
A lot of champions, former champions, and possible Hall of Famers on that list, and that’s not even the whole list. No secret, PBF has been fighting for over 20 years and is trying to make big money fights before stepping away. Personally, I think he deserves it after languishing in obscurity for so long under Arum. Look how much money he’s made since leaving Top Rank. Before that, most people in the general public never even heard of Floyd Mayweather.
Bakc then, when Floyd wanted to fight Mosley…even before he fought Chico, Mosley was busy protecting his ’0′ in route to setting up a big money fight with Oscar; a fight in which he has now infamously admitted to taking HGH prior to. Now that Mosley is at the end of his career, he’s exposed as a cheat, and he’s been waxed on more than a couple of occassions, the only way he can get any publicity is by yelling out Mayweather’s name everytime he’s in a public venue. And crashing the ring after Floyd’s win…tacky.
I too hope the historians are wise.
To label Floyd a ‘cherry-picking ducker’ would be foolish.
yah say that manny is juicing cuz he has to gain weight and keep his speed. nobody is going to point to his work ethics or his cunsumption of monster calories of dam near 10000. or his weight of naturality at 140. his speed is kept thru training speed and power is gaines thre training and so is muscles.
Old issue. The point is that Manny is at his prime and on the roll. He decimated all his large named opponents. Floyd seeing all this are having second though in fighting him. Therefore the reasoning of PED steroid as the logical reasoning for all those things, is just ridiculous. In normal circumstance in non-fighting world we called that a “Miracle.” What people failed to realized is that the mind and bodies are capable of extra-ordinary things when it have to. If you do a search on extraordinary feats of the human bodies and what it is capable of you will understand. What Manny did is nothing beyond compare to feats that people are capable of when the mind and body is determined. For being a sports fan or writer you guys are sure ignorant of the human body and mind. Whatever reason (not going the witness the fight etc) you have or sides your on, especially those that want to tarnish others name for his own sake, need to stop being a sour grape.
All these accusation reminds me of the “Salem Witch trial.” Those accused were unfortunately burn alive. Today we know that LSD was the cause of all the “witch” accusations. LSD is the by-product of rye going bad, causing hallucinations (attribute believe to be of possession by the devil) to those that comes into contact with it. Most that came into contact were women, as they have to cook, bake etc. Some people used it as a way to get rid of rivals and tarnish their name to get at their enemy. In the midst of all the PED in Olympic and other sports you the fans and sports caster of boxing are doing a disservice and damaging your own sport for what?!?! For a “Salem Witch like accusation.” You guys are pathetic go watch MMA its more exciting and test the body and mind more. The guy never tested positive for anything not even a pain killer during his career. On another hand it takes a crook to spot a crook, or a pot to call the kettle black.
like your article,a deep discussion,a good question is ,why did floyd come out of retirement? what purpose ?get in his head , was it to fight manny for the p4p welterweight belt,or was it to vindicate his name to fight all the welterweight fighter people are saying he ducking,is he going to avoid both?
we could learn a lot,by who he picks,and why did he not just be happy manny let him cut in line for a welter weight belt,and the title glory of p4p champ,even as manny would have fought 3 month later after a hard cotto fight vs half year+ floyd fight. and why was that meeting at Dallas stadium the last stages of negotiation called off. before flight leaves in a few hours. could it be floyd remember why he cant fight in dallas late night in bed?
@Cabriolet: You’re right, it is very difficult to gain weight and maintain speed and power. This makes the suspicions of suspected drug use by Manny more glaring.
Good analysis. It’s good to point out though, that Pacquaio’s asterisk would only in the minds of people who have been manipulated by Mayweather’s deception, in other words, ignorants,morons, and corrupt individuals whose opinions are really irrelevant and just plain trash. The best gauge would be what are the opinions of highly respected, accomplished, reputable, intelligent, fair and honest people in the sports of boxing like the Bert Sugars, Larry Merchants, Al Bernsteins, T. Hausers. If you need to get a reliable and relevant opinion, ask these guys!!!
If you are ignorant!!!!!!!
Just because all the great fighters was the best of the best means they all should have an asterisk by their name.
If one great fighter then all great fighter are on drugs
including Mayweather.
With that said all that will be remembered are the great fights because that’s what boxing is all about.
who has pac man beat that MAYWEATHER hasn’t and who has he ducked! its eaiser to beat a figher after he has already been beaten! pac has no choice but to fight clottey! he has to fight a hald decent figher after ducking MAYWEATHER! and he fights clottey after cotto beat clottey and he beat cotto seems like a backwards move!!!
mr mayweather when you fought marquez you went in 2lbs heavier than what you guyz agreed upon. Is that what you call an even playing field?
wow fits or no fits at 147 stleast manny is fighting a top 5 WW how about maylocaine???? top 5 WW HOW BOUT A TOP 10 ww……..ZZZZZZZ i didnot think so.. the reason he did take the clttey fite is becuz he knows mayweather wont match his pick so this give pac the upper hand when it comes to the negotiation tables. not only that pac will give maylocaine the bird and fite the winner of mosley-berto for a huge payday on the WW unification! and after that he may give maylocaine a shot. but manny is the best right now and will make close to 60 mill this year even witout maylocaine and pac dont need money like maylocaine does. oh and did u mayfand know that when he was asked to fight cotto over 4 years ago (top 5 WW) his excuse not to was becuz cotto lived in puerto rico! hahaha
this cat that wrote the article is a clown. Mayweather has been above the curve for years. He ain’t P4P for nothing. He’s dominated the currupt game for years. His dad suspected drug use, Mayweather asked for random drug test and pacman is still running from the drug test. If he would of took the test, the fight would happen and Floyd would have ran off with a victory over a suspected clean fighter. Nobody would think nothing of pacman cheating. Matter of fact his career would be over just like all the other fighters Mayweather has embarrassed his whole career.
floyd a fraud ,always has to has a advantage,beside picking his fights, notice how he tries to get his opponent angry ,he call them names ,what he going to do to them,beside using it as his market ploy,on having people buying the fight to see him get beat up.his real intention is to make his opponent want to just want knock him out,and if you do get angry and stay uptight and don’t breath calmly you will run out of gas very early. so floyd smart, but chicken little smart.
Church of PBF, Cabriolet makes a good point.
The most intelligent article I’ve read so far concerning this topic…Excellent article.
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL MAYWEATHER OPPONENT WATCH!!!
Did the PBF camp pick an opponent yet? No? Not yet?
Oh no! It’s one training day less for the lucky guy that will be chosen for the Mar 13 day schedule.
Once again folks, watch closely how PBF and team use their “CHERRY PICKING” skills. PBF is constantly training in anticipation for this date. They will then pick a smaller/lighter weight class fighter only a FEW WEEKS before the fight and “REQUIRE” him to come up in weight for that short duration, and fight under WW class.
Do you guys really know how difficult it is to ADD 8 – 12 LBS of world class MUSCLE and preserve your speed? … in such a short time?
In addition, at these level of competition, there is a BIG difference between a fighters weight at “weigh-in” day vs “fight night” weight.
Would you really consider that a fair fight in the WW division?
And so…. 55 days left and counting….. tic…toc…tic…toc……..zzzzzzz
So you’re trying to say Mayweathers and their fans are the last word in boxing. You’re trying to say Pac started PED when, while under Roach? I don’t think he could’ve afforded anything extra before, he barely could afford shoes before Freddy showed him the money. I guess you’ll want to blemish and pound freddy on his way to the “hall of fame” also. Talk about sour grapes what a joke.
Mayweather fans think like mayweather where all that matters is the 40 mil$. Pacquiao fans think like manny where 40 mil$ is not enough to pay for self respect and just to appease floyd.
I bet with anbody that before 2010 ends, manny will still make that 40 mil$ without bending to floyd’s manipulations.
come on you guys pac is overrated man yes he beat his last 3 fights with ease but lets take a look at them! he foughr de la haya at 145 MAYWETHER fought him at 154 and wighed in at 147! he used the MAYWEATHER hatton fight to build his game plan against hatton! he maid cotto come down to 145. he sucked these dude dry of there power and and they were all flat footed fighters they were sitting ducks! his last fights with JMM he got his ass kicked fighting someone who was at his natural weight with good foot speed! JMM must of hit pac 200 plus times in that fight! JMM hit MAYWEATHER 17 TIMES IN 12 RDS LOL MAYWEATHER HIT HIM OVER 200 TIMES LOL! SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG FOR A MAN TO WALK AWAY FROM 40 MILLION BECAUSE OF A FEW NEEDLES!WHEN HE IS ON TAPE TAKING BLOOD TEST BEFORE HHE FOUGHT HATTON!!! I KNOW MAYWEATHE RIS A CCKY DUDE AND ISNT A KNOCKOUT FIGHT BUT WHO CAN BOX WITH HIM LETS BE REAL!
Nice article. This issue has really polarized people. Mayweather fans think like mayweather where all they think about is making 40mil$. Pacquiao fans think like pacquiao where 40 mil$ is not enough to buy self respect and also just to appease mayweather who is clearly the challenger only.
I’m willing to bet though that pacquiao will still make that 40 mil$ before 2010 ends and that would not involve bending to Floyd’s manipulations.
contrary to my post last, I give merit to much of what the author says.
WOW,I completely disagree with the author here.
FloydRoid is a fool. He is saying Pacs record is crap and he is dirty, Pac must take a different type of test to prove he isn’t.
FloydRoid and his people couldn’t handle that they just are not the big dogs at this negociating table. Pac dosen’t need FloydRoid. In his country he is respected, and with his political asperations to improve things for his people he could quite possibly become a future President in the Philippines. (FloydRoid and his people know all about this)
If Pac takes the “Olympic Testing” bait, two things could happen……..
* FloydRoid looses the fight, and he looses 1 (one) fight.
*Pac looses the fight and he looses every past fight he has ever fought (all of them) because FloydRoid says “See I was right” I made him clean and he couldn’t win.
Why in the world would Pac do that! It is illogical.
It is entirely possible that FloydRoid and his people are so full of themselves, that they are plain fools and blew it by pushing to hard with no guns to back it up…OR sometime before/after Cotto they planned on ducking this fight. I tend to think they are just fools outside the ring that are sitting in court soon instead of getting a payday.
When this fight ever comes into fruition. It would be ideal, if all the demands in this first failed negotiation,
will be included, the penalty,blood test…and the xylocaine
be allowed even they’ll fight outside Las Vegas…for both boxers.That,I would say an “EVEN PLAYING FIELD”.
How is Mayweather a cherry picker? Is he really just that big of a draw? Three fights ago he had the biggest grossing fight ever. His next the biggest non-heavyweight non de la hoya fight ever. His next, against someone who outboxed Manny less than 2 years ago got over a million PPVs. 2007 ring magazine fighter of the year. Before that he beat Judah and the champ Baldomir. Before that he cleaned out the entire 130 and 135 divisions. He has called out Mosley twice and Mosley ducked him. He was trying to work out a deal with Manny and Manny signed another fight!! When Floyd fought Hatton it was a HUGE fight, Hattonn was supposed to be some kind of beast in the ring. If Floyd didn’t fight Hatton he would have been seen as ducking the best! So he fought the undeafeted Hatton and exposed him!
cant believe somone said mayweather is the worst boxer ever !
Excellent article…indeed, the damage has been done and the only way to ameliorate this catch 22 is to proceed with the lawsuit, for the racist bandwagoneers who avail of this accusation as a way to bring pacman down a few notch toward floyd’s abysmal level must be made to understand: racist sentiments, and folks, that is what this is all about, cannot be expounded with impunity…
Of all people, you learned black folks in America should understand this for years of false accusation, public derisions, and special literacy testing requirements contrived by threatened white folks with voting suffrage rendered to freedmen in the old jim crow south …how u should subscribe to our better angel and not succumb to our all too sinful tendencies…
Pacquiao fans* I meant to say
People say May was doing it to duck well how come Pac had a new opponent right away and May dont even have 1 yet?
Pac knew from the start that the stipulation was going to be in the contract and just hoped that May’s team could be persuaded. Put simply, Pac either dodged the test cos hes using PEDs, or ducked Mayweather. How the F**K could Floyd know that that stipulation would end negotiations? Even the 14 day window?
People just hate May cos they jealous.
* means All Time Great
Billshut!!
All doubt is removed of illegal drug use, in both fighters case, by subjecting both participants to RANDOM blood and urine testing!
Pacquiao’s wiggling out of the highest form of drug testing is UNPRECEDENTED, and the myriad of fanatics who support such an illogical set of excuses, is horrible.
If Pacquiao demands that Clottey weigh in at 125 lbs, the Pacquiao fan ase would be right there, backing their man all the way, regardless of how unfair or illogical the request or demand.
This article is just one of the many that need not have been written if oy Pacquiao were high-class enough to agree to random testing.
Floyd’s gonna fight Nonito Donaire and then claim that he’s a Filipino conqueror. Floyd’s becoming kind of a tool.
@ Doc…hahaha….I agree. I mean, it’s fine to not like Floyd, but to say that he has no skills is just plain stupid.
@ Cal….Floyd will fight a top 5 contender. Top 5 flyweight that is.
The thing is, the people that put the asterisk on Pacquiao, are mostly people the put an asterisk on him anyway. Those are the same people that try to discredit his wins by dissing his opposition. To these people, the steroid thing is just something else for his haters to use to justify their hate.
His real fans, and anyone with a brain, won’t buy into the steroid allegations.
Manny’s legacy will by fine once this all blows over. The only people that will continue to hang the steroid thing over his head, are the people that would have hated him anyway.
Haters hate, that what’s they do. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be called haters.
ya wayne well tel us who maylocain’s next opp is gonna be… is it a top 10 welter? how bout atop 5 welter like manny? wow not even a top ten… u know ur fighter very well and ur boxing.
MULLEY=JACKASS…Mayweather is the worst boxer ever??? Because you may not like his personality or his oppenents as of late does not mean you can take away from his skill set! You really should SLAP yourself twice for even having the nerve to form that kind of retarded statement!!!
@ Wayne. You got it backwards. It’s Floyd who doesn’t want an ass whoopin, that’s why he doesn’t fight anybody. C’mon bro, check your argument.
If it were the Olymipics, he wouldn’t have a choice. But you know what? THIS AINT THE OLYMPICS!!
True Floyd gave Manny gloves, weight, whatever (that’s the dumbest argument BTW) but the only thing he didn’t give Pac was to step his ass in the ring and fight.
pac dont want to fight money may period! i hate how he acts like he is all about his country and when he has a chance to rep them he shys away from it! if it was the olympics he wouldnt have a choice, mayweather gave him everything money, weight, gloves,what else does he want??? i can tell you what he dont want and thats that ass whooping
thats the stupid comment
History will be written as such: Manny was a 7 title holder and fought the best in his time in doing so. Floyd was undefeated but ducked the best in the WW division.