Arum: “The fight [Mayweather-Pacquiao] will get made in two seconds if Mayweather comes to me and we talk”
January 16th, 2010
By Jason Kim: We might be finally seeing a softening of the stance from Top Rank’s promoter Bob Arum pertaining to a possible fight between World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao and unbeaten Floyd Mayweather. In an article at the Nydaily News, Arum says “The fight get made in two seconds if Mayweather comes to me and we talk.” However, Mayweather will likely still have to apologize to Pacquiao to get him to drop his defamation lawsuit. This is great news that Arum is still interested in putting this together. However, it’s unfortunately little late in the game now.
Mayweather feels strongly about the random blood tests and I would expect that he would still want them to take place if he’s to fight Pacquiao in the future. What Arum could do to make this fight happen is to get Pacquiao to agree to a compromise of five days or so, making the last blood test stop at 19 days before the fight instead of 24 days. Mayweather wanted to have the random blood tests stop at 14 days before the fight. If they split the difference, that would come out to 19 days. That sounds like an agreeable solution.
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Fraud, you do sound like the Mayweather clan. It sad to see people like you who can never face the facts and reality. Look around you, most people who made their comments had a good point and only few people that are for Mayweather doesn’t make any sense. What else do you want to proved? Manny is not an American, he’s an Asian. In the Phillippines, people strive for success and trying to make a better lives. You’ll be surprised that majority of the people who works at the fast food restaurants have college degrees. Does the Mayweather clan have any educational background? Stop defending Floydie, his the one who made alot of excuses and now he’s paying for his actions.
Bible, Good point about the 3 knockdown rule. I missed that one. Even better point you made about Manny accepting the draw and moving on when he (unlike Marquez) had an absolute, airtight, objective and factual right to complain about it and rally his fans to do the same to turn that draw into an office win. But, unlike Marquez, he has too much humility and CLASS to go down that road. That is just one of the reasons he is so well liked and so offensive that such a person is being dragged thru the mud with not a shred of evidence other than the slanderous comments invented by that pillar of integrity, Floyd Mayweather Sr. Jr was better off when he was estranged from his father. They kiss and make up. He comes back into his life and the first thing he does is to cost his son $45M. Good job Sr.
And for those of you who point to the first two fights with Marquez and compare the draw (that was supposed to be a win if the outright and factual ERROR in that one judge’s card was corrected) and the second razor thin 1 point win to Mayweather’s recent blow out, and say he will do the same to Pac, I simply ask to you watch the first two Ali Norton fights, then see how Foreman destroyed Norton, then watch the Ali Foreman fight. Aside from that, Pac fought Marquez at 126 and 130. Would be no contest at 147 and not a whole lot better even at 140 today. Pac just keeps improving. That is why he is so much fun to watch. Must be the PEDs. Certainly Freddie Roach or hard work and dedication can’t have anything to do with it.
Just finished reading Thomas Hauser’s new article. GBP and Mays are confirmed con artists.
No JR. I just made a very insightful and rational analysis. I don’t love or hate either of the fighters. I do respect what Pac has accomplished. Even you would have to agree that, if it is proven that Pac is not on PEDs that you have to take your hat off to him. I respect May’s talent too. I don’t respect that he expects the idiot boxing public to keep throwing money at him for fights that are glorified sparring sessions. If you disagree with what I wrote, tell me where my ananysis is wrong. I welcome it.
You’re not a unique fan. You’re the same as all the other pac nut-huggers.
Quick question. Take a poll on this one. Do you think if May was offered $45M to fight Matthew Hatton and Hatton made a condition of the contract that he be allowed to take AS MANY PED’S AS HE WANTED all the way leading up to the fight, no guessing, no hypothecating, he was going to take them, right out in the open, any and all illegalities waived by May, do you think May would forego $45M and not take that fight? Exactly.
There was even an interview BEFORE the famous interview where May sr. first accused Pac of taking PEDs where Sr. said that he did not think his son should fight Pac.
And about Paul Williams? He is a freak of nature, like Hearns, but nowhere as talented as Hearns was. No right being a welterweight, like with Hearns. Yet Leonard fought him when they were both in their primes and paid the price in having to deal with that million inch reach Hearns had. But he fought him in a sensational fight that had the fans’s mouths watering. Sad that we have thrown so much money and immortalized this coward.
One more comment that I have to make. In the first Marquez fight, he was knocked down 3 times. According to the rules, the judges were REQUIRED to score it a 10-6 round, yet one of the judges turned out to be an idiot who erred by scoring it a 10-7 round. Had that mistake been corrected, that first fight would have been a win for Pac, not a draw. I don’t understand why more is not made of this. That scorecard should have been corrected since the 10-6 was REQUIRED and the decision overturned. Yes. Sure. Marquez had to win most of the ensuing 11 rounds in order to make it a razor close final total by the fight’s end, and if you take away that first round he would have clearly won, but that’s boxing and you cannot just “take away that first round”. He had his “do over” in the second fight. If sore loser Marquez wants to claim that he won, in both fights, he should try next to to keep his ass off the canvas. That would really help his argument.
It is quite a compliment to Pac that May is willing to walk away from $45M if Pac does not submit to his ludicrous demands that are UNPRECEDENTED IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF BOXING. Ludicrous because Pac’s willingness to take a blood test IMMEDIATELY after the fight obviates all the other tests. If May thinks he can quickly drink or inject something between the ring and the dressing room before that ater the fight test, I am sure they can find a way to have someone with him at all times for the 30 min after the fight to the time his blood is taken. Take a look at the Marquez fight. You know. Marquez? The one who the blind Marquez fans want to overrule the judges and beat him twice. Why didn’t he demand Marquez take the random unlimited blood tests? There are two possible explanations for that one. 1. He had a pretty good idea that the chances that Marquez was juicing was zero. OR 2. He felt that Marquez had NO chance of beating him even if had enough juice in him to turn into the incredible hulk. Hmmm. I think I would go with #2 here. He fought one or two good names when he was at 130 and 135 but ever since he became a ww and beat a way past his prime De La Hoya (which was a SPLIT decision may I remind everyone), and we, the public, threw all that money at him for performances that we could have watched for free on dancing with the stars, he ONLY has taken fights with fighters who had absolutely NO chance of beating him, WHETHER THEY WERE ON PED’S OR NOT! The compliment to Pac is he is the first fighter in all 40 of May’s fights who he thinks is so good, that, he is afraid of getting his ass kicked and losing his precious 0. And if he truly felt that Pac was on PED’s (despite all the testing to the contrary and despite his willingness to test the only test that really counts, the one immediately after the fight, then Pacquiao must be the best and scariest opponent he has ever faced, if the possibility of PEDs would give him enough of an edge to beat him up in front of 3M viewers. Mind you he would still retain his precious 0 anyway in the unlikely event that he is right and Pac tested postive after the fight, which, essentially would destroy Pac’s entire life in every way imaginable.
yeah…I can’t say with certainty who would have won the fight…especially if Pac was all doped up and begging to get hit across his head like he was in the Cotto fight which led to a busted eardrum and wrap around his head….lol……….but I do know this for certain:
1. Pac’s, Roach’s, and Arum’s behavior, statements, and actions were all contradictory, inconsistent, and rambling from the outset.
2. Arum seemed to be motivated to do the fight until the blood testing entered into it. Roach was real quiet during this time and had a hard time getting a hold of Pac.
3. Mayweather appeared to be the one who did the most compromising and interested in doing the fight. He compromised on glove size, ring size, weight penalties, and even moved his “to the day of the fight” blood test requests to 14 days. Pac only moved from 30 down to 24.
4. Golden Boy and Mayweather wanted to keep the fight alive and stated as much…while Arum, Roach, and Pac moved as fast as they possibly could to make a fight where Pac would earn 25 percent of what he would have made with Mayweather. And after mentioning names like Magliaggno (sp) and then Marquez, then turning elsewhere because those guys wanted blood testing also.
DO YOU PACTARDS NOT SEE IT THIS WAY?
Or do you think Manny has a moral right to not have to give blood because is is simply Manny Paquiao…even though the other fighters are willing to give blood?
For those of us who aren’t Pacman loyalists, his PED use is as obvious as Barry Bonds, or Mark MacGuires, or any of these others who seemed off or acted evasively when confronted.
I liked Manny and respect his fighting and entertainment skills…but he’s tarnished in my eyes until he takes a test within 14 days of a fight then right after a fight. He needs to do that….then fight Mayweather under those conditions….and if he does, and he wins…then he’ll be the greatest fighter of our era….and even if he tests and loses…he’ll be a hero in my mind….like Cotto….but if he never does the blood then EVERYTHING HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED the last few years will seem like a farce to me.
One last thing….no way in hell will I pay to see him fight until he fights Mayweather or tests for blood 14 days before the fight.
Maybe the Mayweathers should go into politics like PAC so they will understand that it takes a while to change the regulation.
It does not take 14, 24, 30 days or randomly to change things.
Do it politicaly correct and everything will be alright.
For now just BOX like the other great boxers before.
man, this debate will never end and will go on forever with boths sides being right and wrong.
these articles and bloggs are filled with so much speculation, lies, half truths etc.. its hard to get a gauge on whats actually happened!
i am pacman fan but i blame him just as much as i do mayweather now.
both sides have robbed us the fans (whoever you support). we are the ones that pay the ppv’s that give these guys their way of life!
this fight would have been the biggest since, well i dont no who?
just gutted!!
lex- i don’t get you point? please explain.
Jaybee, hasn’t Manny changed his political party and views three times already in hopes of winning political office? And hasn’t he still lost despite changing his beliefs??
Arum wanted the fight so with Mayweather so bad he called it off and talked Manny into walking away! And signing another fight against a second tier fighter! What a joke, this is the same Arum who was in Mexico and not involved in the negotations at all yet everytime he got a chance to talk to a reporter he announced the fight was off!
It is elemental my dear Watson,
FloydRoid is a fool. He is saying Pacs record is crap and he is dirty, Pac must take a different type of test to prove he isn’t.
FloydRoid and his people couldn’t handle that they just are not the big dogs at this negociating table. Pac dosen’t need FloydRoid. In his country he is respected, and with his political asperations to improve things for his people he could quite possibly become a future President in the Philippines. (FloydRoid and his people know all about this)
If Pac takes the “Olympic Testing” bait, two things could happen……..
* FloydRoid looses the fight, and he looses 1 (one) fight.
*Pac looses the fight and he looses every past fight he has ever fought (all of them) because FloydRoid says “See I was right” I made him clean and he couldn’t win.
Why in the world would Pac do that! It is illogical.
It is entirely possible that FloydRoid and his people are so full of themselves, that they are plain fools and blew it by pushing to hard with no guns to back it up…OR sometime before/after Cotto they planned on ducking this fight. I tend to think they are just fools outside the ring that are sitting in court soon instead of getting a payday.
ya thats fine lets take a step in the right direction! im all bout fairness, but tarnishing a great fighter with no proof? making that great fighter an asterisk. he will never be looked at the same again. if that was maylocaine’s first thought coming back from retirement then it should have started with marquez, but he saw no threat in marquez. now saying that he wants “a level playing field” makes it sound even more that maylocaine is sayiing manny is dirty. lets see maylocaine fight some top 10 ww he will find a way not too. manny next fight is still a top 5 who is maylocaine gonna fight… after the clottey fight expect a huge welter mega fight from pac and the mosley berto winner. bye bye bye to mayweather. whose next fight will be a as having tea with grandma. and his p4p spot (2) will drop at maybe 4 or 7.
THE ISSUE OF BLOOD TESTING IN BOXING IS NOT GOING AWAY?
THIS IS NOT ABOUT FLOYD, MANNY OR ANY SPECIFIC BOXER, ….IT IS ABOUT A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN CLEANING UP BOXING…. FLOYD FANS CAN SCREAM ALL THEY WANT AND MANNYS FANS CAN DO THE SAME THING, BUT THE ISSUE REMAINS THE SAME… A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN CLEANING UP THIS CROOKED SPORT…BY KEEPING EVERYONE HONEST.
ya there is avideo out there regarding the effects that blood testing has on pacman, go u tube it. this was indeed the interview after the first morales fight. and if morales was “on his way out” like maylocaine says y was he able to beat manny the first fite…. in any case it is a mental handicap that manny has and it is sad that he would attack that. go afterhis kids or wife but dont find away not to make the fite. lets say forintstance mayweather did not like getting hisblood taken becuz it takes him out of training for three days, on the same token let it be random and unlimited! common do u think this fighter would go with that hell no! cuz that would risk his weak ass “0″. u know what else risk that “0″? a fighter named anywhere from the top ten in WW. even cotto who he ducked dam near 4 years ago! becuz he lives in puerto rico. maylocaine said he was not the same fighter since the margrito fight just not giving the credit where it is due. theonly credit i give maylocaine is fighting in the lightweight devision where he was dominating and actually fighting. but in the ww maylocaine will not step up… i belice cintron will catch him eventually and put knock him out of the ww devision!
Bible of Boxing,
Amen. On all accounts. I agree in the fullest, and love your historical comparisons. Lets hope we see a great fight…whoever it may be between.
Anan, exactly the opposite. May agreed to the $10M per pound because he knew he wasn’t taking the fight. It could have been $10 Billion per pound. What difference does it make if you know you have no intention of fighting. I cannot take credit for this observation. Some other person wrote it last night and I thought it was brilliant.
I JUST CANT HELP BUT NOTICE HOW DESPERATE THE FLOYD BOYS ON INSISTING THIS BLOOD TEST,YOU GAVE THEM ALL THE FACTS,AND TRUTH ABOUT THE REAL THING AND STILL THEY MAKE THEM SELVES LOOK DUMB AS TO ARGUE ABOUT IT,THE FIGHT IS OFF ,YOU GOT NO PROOF THAT THIS ASIAN DUDE IS ON SOMETHING, AND IF THERE IS, YOU CAN GO TO MAYWEATHER TO HELP HIM COUSE HES IN BIG TROUBLE….
MOVE ON FLOYD FANS!THE FIGHT IS OFF,JUST ENJOY WATCHING HOW FLOYD DANCE OR WRESTLE!
its easy for him to say that now hes already arranged a fight for pac. its quite simple..arum thinks his fighter would get beat of the guy he hates most and he will only take that risk when he knows he can promote it and make the max amount of money.
if a fighter agrees that he will pay 10 million for evry pound hes over the weight limit then he wants the fight! mayweather called ther bluff.pacs team obviously thought he wouldnt agree to such a ridiculous demand but he did.so then they didnt agree on a simple random blood test and came with all types of excuses..oh hes afraid of needles, well only take the test if its not random etc. and to put the final nail in the coffin he sues his opponent to make sure the fight wont happen
Good Morning to Manny’s Fanboyz! For those of you who are new, this site is dedicated to to Manny Pacman Pacquiao and we encourage all excuses, medical or otherwise for why he fails to give blood when half his competition is calling him out on it. We also encourage any and all criticizing of Mayweather because he’s a legit and clean fighter who actually called Manny a “punk ass” which made Manny run even further down the road in fright.
Manny PEDcquia…..CHEATER….
Elleco, Jerry Jones is paying $6M for Pac Clottey, not $25M. $25M was only for Pac May.
Maybe Arum is feeling some heat as the demand of Pac vs Clottey is not as high as he’d hoped.
Jerry Jones paying 25 millions to host Pac vs Clottey…stupid…..lol…
arum thinks he is the godfather of boxing or something, if he really wants the mayweather pacquiao fight why doesnt he just go over to mayweather instead of waiting for mayweather to come to him. All boxers should control their promoters and keep them on a leash cuz they think their some kind of rockstars.
And for those who think they “caught” Pac in a lie because he is claiming fear of needles when he has tattoos all over his body, first he never claimed a fear of needles. Just that he was averse to having his blood taken and that it weakened him for a few days (Morales fight). Getting tiny pin pricks from the needle of a tattoo gun that barely break the surface of the skin for a fraction of a second each is VERY different than having a hypodermic needles stuck into your VEIN, and remaining IN YOUR VEIN, for several minutes while it sucks your blood out into a tube. To some people, like Mayweather, it is not much different than a urine test. They could take a blood test 3 times a day and it would not bother them. To others like Pacquiao, it weakens them or makes them queasy. In Pacquiao’s case he feels weak for up to 3 days afterward. Maybe a compromise will be that both fighters agree to random unlimited tattoos leading up to the fight.
its almost funny how many people still don’t have the facts yet…i don’t know if this is because Bob Arum has changed his story so many times or they have wool in front of there eyes…all these fish and sheep…no wonder people have these money scams out there…oh well thats neither here or there…i hope the fight gets made in 2010…let the best man win!
3 blood test is more than any boxer has ever taken before him.
Check it out….It’s true
Amazing how the author of the article, Jason Kim, did not realize that Pac and May are not just 10 days apart and they should “split the difference” and make it 5 days and make the fight. May’s 14 day cutoff involved two key differences than Pac’s 24 days.
key difference #1: May’s cutoff involved UNLIMITED blood tests leading up to the cutoff day.
key difference #2: May’s cutoff involved RANDOM blood tests
Pac never agreed to either. If they compromised on the date at 19 days as Jason Kim suggests, Manny would have agreed to 19 days with ONE SINGLE NON-RANDOM blood test no later than the 19th day before the fight and Mayweather would have thought he agreed to 19 days out with the caveat that both he and Pac could be tested, theoretically 2 or 3 times a week up until the day of the cutoff. Blood tests don’t bother May. They do bother Pac. Doesn’t make Pac a better or lesser fighter. Just the way it is. If it takes Pac 3 days to recover from each blood test, you don’t think this would have an effect upon his training? Pac would only have 19 days before the fight to train uninterrupted and focus on the fight. Mayweather knows how unsettling this is to Pac and is using that difference to his advantage when he misleads the public by saying, “frankly I don’t know anyone who likes having his blood taken, but for a fight of this size, yada yada yada. Brilliant strategy to gain an both 1. an edge and 2. a built in excuse going into the fight. If he fought and lost, all he would have to do is to have his father go on camera after the fight and make a comment about how the blood tests were not accurate because they were taken too long before the fight and the one after the fight was inaccurate for some other reason he will think of and that will plant the seed of doubt to preserve his 0 and he can become like Marquez and go around forever claiming he would have won if it weren’t for the PEDs
PAC agreed to take more blood test than any boxer before him.
He agreed to take random unlimited urine steriod test.
1000000 times if they wanted.
Google urine test for steriods.
If you are taking steriods 1000000 urine test should be able to detect it.
You don’t have to accused somebody based only on speculations and conjectures. Had the Mayweathers and GBP put in the negotiating table the need of a blood test instead of going on media barrage then I think Pacquiao should have conformed. Steriods does not teach skills and bring in heart. Pacquiao has both.
Wowza – just back, no not pinoy, travel a lot for business (everywhere). Much respect for your culture and people. Filipinos are without a doubt the best people you anyone could ever want to meet.
Unfortunately Boxing is so much to do with what happens outside the ring. Cool to see he wasn’t having it, and turned it in to his favor.
He is different, thats why I like him. You don’t hear all the primal trash talk that Neanderthal boxing fans crave.
Sportsmanship is combined with respect asian cultures, there is an element of respect for your adversary that is missing and diminishes American fighters.
i am with manny here all the way
never doubted him, and never will
if floyd and GBP only made their negotiations in good faith and not slander manny and his name in the first place, something positive could have happened
TO ALL MAYWEATHER DOCTORS WANNA BE!
1. Human growth hormone causes the liver to produce insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1), which promotes growth of the bones, organs and muscles.
Blood Test
2. In 2004, one of the first major HGH tests debuted at the Athens, Greece Summer Olympic Games in the form of a blood test.
Effectiveness of Blood Test
3. Positive tests have not surfaced because athletes often take the drug during the off-season and the blood test can only detect HGH between 24 and 48 hours after use. Furthermore, many organizations, like Major League Baseball, do not allow blood testing for their players.
Urine Test
4. In 2008, USA Today reported that a collaboration between American and Italian scientists produced a test that detects HGH use via urine samples.
Effectiveness of Urine Test
5. According to USA Today, the urine test can detect HGH two weeks after use. This is because the test involves a particle that traps HGH molecules and amplifies their presence so the hormone can be identified.
NOTE: MANNY IS WILLING TO TAKE BLOOD SAMPLES AFTER THE FIGHT”READ CAREFULLY: AFTER THE FIGHT” WICH IS SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO BE DETECTED WITH HGH YOU RUMORS MONGERING FLOYD FANBOYS!
If May thinks Pac is on PED’s now, after they fight (IF they ever fight) May’s is going to swear Pac’s a mutant or from another planet. Mayweather is a better boxer. I just don’t think he will be able to hold Pac off for 12 rounds with May’s brittle hands. Any truth to the rumor that May’s next fight is going to be with Ricardo Lopez?To say you are the best you have to fight the best right? Lopez was the best right? at 106 pounds.
TO ALL MAYWEATHER FANS..TAKE THAT BLOOD TEST A SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASSES COUSE MANNY IS MOVING ON AND GETTING ANOTHER FAT GREEN CASH AND YOU AND THE MAYWEATHERS ARE STILL CRYING AND ROLLING LIKE LITTLE GIRLS ON THE FLOOR WITH YOUR UNPROVEN ACCUSATIONS!….GO ON AND COMFORT FLOYD BY TICKLING HIS BALLS!
Whew! Spaez, you are foaming at your mouth. I didn’t expect you were hit that hard.
Sorry about my opinion on blood test thingy. ‘coz… your wife screwing with your neighbors has more chance than detecting PED on Manny’s system. Again, thats only my wild guess. Hope it is not true and you don’t get mad that much anymore. Peace.
note on my recent post…mayweather didnt declare his legit weight on his fight with MARQUEZ..he could still be around 150 plus pounds + his famous XYLOCAINE….
Peace Bro, I have been to the Phillipines about a dozen times. If you pick your nose over there, everyone knows about it. Beleive me, if Manny was dirty the PacBashers would have been all over it long before now.
Manny Pacquiao
Age 16 – 106 lbs (1995) – first professional fight no recorded amateur fight
Age 19 – 112 lbs (1998) – first championship, 6 lbs in 3 years
Age 20 – 122 lbs (1999) – first fight at super bantam, clear indication of undernourishment after being KO’d by 3K Battery
Age 24 – 126 lbs (2003) – Defeated MAB
Age 26 – 130 lbs (2005) – Loss to Morales
Age 30 – 145 (2009) KO’d Cotto
Floyd Mayweather
Age 16 – 106 lbs (1993) – first amateur fight
Age 19 – 130 lbs (1996) – first professional fight
Age 21 – 130 lbs (1998) – Won first belt
Age 25 – 135 lbs (2002) – defeated Castillo for lightweight belt
Age 27 – 140 lbs (2004) – Defeated Corley
Age 28 – 147 lbs (2005) – defeated mitchell
Age 30 – 154 lbs (2007) – defeated Dela Hoya
Age 32 – 147 lbs (2009) – defeated Marquez
I was agreeing with you. Just taking what you wrote and elaborating a little.
Ufan, thanks for repeating me ?
Let’s not forget that the Olympics is for AMATEURS. All of a sudden you want to use a procedure for testing amateurs to regulate professionals. Why stop at boxing then. Why not have every single athlete in every single sport do unlimited random Olympic (amateur) style blood testing, (and urine testing, and hair follicle testing, – may as well throw in DNA testing – I am sure someone can figure out a reason to justify that as well). At some point this has got to stop or is king Mayweather going to really change the whole world of sports all because he is afraid of losing his precious 0 to Pac. That is really what started all of this in the first place you know.
go uniquefan!
how can people believe an accusation coming from a drug felon ex con mayweather sr?..”same feather flocks together”
there are mayweather fans who would kill from saying MANNY is on some kind of drugs without a little evidence,it is so childish!
Change, Hope. We are going to fundamentally Change the way Boxing (first) then every sport is conducted. If it is not “Olympic Style” drug testing it dosen’t count… So it looks like every fighter that has ever won was dirty. (Except FloydRoid)
Can I buy some asterisks please?
And, as for the test right after the fight, uhh I don’t think he has to be concerned about the blood test affecting his training anymore AFTER the fight is over, right? Duh.
It’s very hard to pin down the pacquiao camp on the reasons why pacquiao will not take a random blood test. Recently, Roach said pacquiao does not feel well for 3 days after giving a blood sample. So why not take the 14 days before the fight?
ok, Fraud, let’s see who the idiot is here. Let’s see how well you know you facts. This is not about 2 weeks vs 14 days you moron. 24 days Pac asked for WAS FOR ONE TEST 24 DAYS OUT AND ONE TEST AFTER THE FIGHT. NO RANDOM AND CERTIANLY NO UNLIMITED. Huge difference, don’t you think? And by the way, exactly what proof was it again that Pac was on PED’s? Oh,that’s right. It was Floyd Mayweather Sr. Greatest trainer in boxing history. So if he says so, it must be true, right. What education did you complete. Kindergarten?
wowzabean: Hypochondriac,superstitious, whatever. the point is blood tests bother Pac and they don’t bother May and May is exploiting diffference when he magnaniously offers that he is willing to undergo the same testing so what’s the problem, he asks innocently. If the cutoff is 14 days and unlimited and random up until 14 days, then Pac will get in a good 14 days of training for the biggest fight of his life. Brilliant move May, if you were able to get away with it.
@Fraud: Let’s think about this. Mayweather wanted random testing up to the fight because he knows that the Xylocaine he uses will not be detected unless the USADA test in between rounds. Manny was the only one subjecting himself to blood test after the fight. Mayweather has never mentioned anything about the after the fight testing. Mayweather does not want to fught outside of Vegas because Xylocaine is legal there. Texas was quickly rejected by the Mayweather team. Mayweather has been using Xylocaine since 2002, has he fought outside of Vegas since then? Texas offered 25 million for the fight, what did Vegas offer? I’m glad Manny rejected the testing, now it exposes Mayweather. How? Who is he going to chose to fight. So far they have a bunch of nobodies lined up for the his next fight. If he really wanted to fight, how come he hasn’t named one of them yet?
Now may weather has to demand olympic style testing for his every fight otherwise it would be seen as that his demand for olympic style blood testing is only an excuse to wiggle out of the fight. Losing end end. Zugswang!!!
This is a good reasoning but others are just ignorant.
uniquefan says:
January 17, 2010 at 1:40 am
If May is not averse to blood tests and Pac IS, then it is very misleading for May to say that he is willing to undergo the same testing as he is asking of Pac. It doesn’t bother May. It takes Pac, on the other hand, 3 days to recover from each blood test. And you don’t think this would affect his training going on all the time, unlimted and randomly all throught his training?
If you are claustrophobic (fear of small places) and I am not and I asked you to spend an hour in a small box and I would agree to do the same, would you say it would be the same experience for both of us just because we are both doing the same thing?
Stop the nonsense already. Manny vs Money is over and done.
I very sure that there will never be a fight between the two unless Mayweather will drop this nonsense of random bood testing. Manny will never, I say again never agree to any test besides the boxing commission will require.
And if he won the fight against Clottey, the money split will not be 50/50 anymore. It will be more like 63/35 in favor of Manny….mark my word.
And I am tired of hearing this garbage about how can a man with tattoos all over his body claim a fear of needles. Firstly, he never said ‘fear of needles”. He said he didn’t like getting his blood taken and that it weakened him for 3 days afterwards. Getting tiny pinpricks from a tattoo gun that just barely break the surface of the skin is very different than getting blood drawn from your vein thru a hypodermic needle that stays in your vein for minutes at a time.
And for those of you who ask why 14 days isn’t good enough as a cutoff date when he is only weak for 3 days, he needs a good 8 weeks or more of training for this fight at a minimum. If he has UNLIMITED random testing all throughout his training, and with each test he needs 3 days to recover, how do you think his training will go during that time? The only real training he will be able to enjoy without this blood test thing constantly hangin over his head, would be two weeks. Nice advantage for Mayweather to have don’t you think? Pacaquiao gets in a good solid two weeks of training for the most important fight of his life. Going thru the same procedure is not the same for Mayweather because he just so happens to be the kind of person that blood testing doesn’t bother him a bit.
If May is not averse to blood tests and Pac IS, then it is very misleading for May to say that he is willing to undergo the same testing as he is asking of Pac. It doesn’t bother May. It takes Pac, on the other hand, 3 days to recover from each blood test. And you don’t think this would affect his training going on all the time, unlimted and randomly all throught his training?
If you are claustrophobic (fear of small places) and I am not and I asked you to spend an hour in a small box and I would agree to do the same, would you say it would be the same experience for both of us just because we are both doing the same thing?
to Motownhitman. Correction, Pac has NEVER fought at 147. He has fought in the welterweight division, yes but the heaviest he has ever been for a fight has been 144 for Cotto.
Motownhitman. Yes he has fought more fights at welter than at junior welter, BUT HE FOUGHT ALL OF THOSE FIGHTS AT LESS THAN 147 BECAUSE 147 IS NOT HIS NATURAL WEIGHT. He had to make an effort to even come in at 144, which was the heaviest he has ever weighed for a fight when he fought Cotto. That is why I say that 140 is proably more his optimum weight than 147. Look at what he did to Ricky Hatton when they fought at 140. Same thing he would do to Marquez if they fought at 140 instead of at 126 or 130, which was where he fought those two fights with Marquez before.
One other point I would love to make. May make a big deal that he is not asking Pac to do anything he is not doing himself. Boy is that misleading. Pac has an aversion to having his blood taken. Mayweather has no such aversion. (Notice I did not say aversion to needles). It is a very different thing to have a hypodermic needle stuck into your vein sucking out your blood into a tube for several minutes than having some tiny pin pricks from a tattoo gun which barely break the surface of your skin each prick lasting only a fraction of a second. To say they are going thru the same experience is VERY misleading. It takes Pac 3 days to recover from a blood test. It takes May no time at all since a blood test is nothing to him. He is exploiting Pac’s aversion to blood tests to his advantage. It is like saying to someone who has clautrophobia, let’s both spend an hour in a tiny box. To the person who has no such phobia the experience is no problem. To the person with clautrophobia, it can be traumatic and he may suffer a nervous breakdown while in that small box. Are they both agreeing to the same thing? I think not.
Now Pac’s aversion to blood tests is not to the point of being a phobia but it is unsettling to him and he needs 3 days to recover. Imagine how his training would go for the most important fight of his life if twice a week (or more since May wants unlimited random testing) they came in and took his blood and each time he needed 3 days to recover. Do you think he would be entering the ring that night at 100%? Of course not and Mayweather knows that too.
Pac is the only figher May is so afraid of that he is walking away from $45M to protect his precious 0. If he knew for a fact that Matthew Hatton was taking PED’s and he was promised $45M for fighting him, do you really think he would give a rat’s ass one way or the other and scuttle the fight if Matthew refused random unlimited blood tests.
No. Of course not. Just Pac. No one else.
uniquefan…how is Pac a natural 140 lb’er?? He’s fought more fights at 147 than at 140.
even lance armstrong he took test after test to try to clear his name of steroids use, and even here heard a few saying he a user,people will belive what they want to belive,just as they cant comprehend when some come along and excell,.
read how many test lance took.
24 times a year and still people say he a juicer.
manny shouldnt even go their.
Armstrong has continually denied using “illegal” performance-enhancing drugs and has described himself as “the most tested athlete in the world”.[53] A 1999 urine sample showed traces of corticosteroid in an amount that was not in the positive range. A medical certificate showed he used an approved cream for saddle sores which contained the substance.[54]
On March 17, 2009, French Anti-doping Agency tested Armstrong for the 24th time in the last year and the test was negative for performance-enhancing drugs
Which one of the two fighters would you say is more likely to cheat? Easy answer on that one. Wanna take a poll?
I wouldn’t put it past Mayweather to try to influence the test results if we ever get to the point where blood IS taken one day. I mean, after all, this is the same camp that floated some phony email out there that never existed to further discredit Pac. I wouldn’t put anything past him after that. Who knows what you can buy with all that money he has.
Mayweather did not agree to Manny’s terms for the purse split. If he had it would have been 60/40 in favor of Pac.
And he did not agree to Pac’s weight either. Pac is now a natural 140 pounder. What are you suggesting that they actually fight at 154 when Pac is the 147 pound champ?
Pac’s demand for the $10M penalty was justified. May’s demand’s justification was Mayweather Sr., that beacon of honesty and fair play.
pac is only p4p 1 because mayweather retired and if he didnt held still be dare
Lik I’ve always said. This is all business and strategy. Why take 40mil $ now when you can take 10 mil$ now and then 60 mil$ later. At the same time, teach mayweather a lesson about humility, get a good tune up fight with a good boxer, get to try out the new Dallas stadium. Hey, manny’s at the top of the world for not making the Floyd fight happen on March 13.
I feel like I’ve contributed enough negativity to this room tonight, so I will say that I can respect that post a little better Wowza and I see what you’re saying. If Manny doesn’t want to do blood, then what is anyone going to do. Floyd thinks he’s dirty + Manny says he’s clean – random blood test = stalemate.
Could all be promo hype anyway. This fight, which is the biggest at ’47 makes much more sense taking place after Berto/Mosley, and after Manny wins whatever seat it is that he is running for in the government. I think all this hype actually helps Manny because people are rallying behind him. This fight was awfully soon after Cotto for Manny, and Floyd has had only one fight in over two years.
Who knows dude, the promoters may want us taking sides for 10 months.
LMAO..good stuff Spaez!!
JoseSFBoxing…I agree with most of what you say but Mosley just started calling Floyd out. Floyd called Mosley out twice and Mosley didn’t want any part of Floyd for whatever reason. Let’s be honest, Mosley is 5-5 in his last 10 fights and honestly the only reason he is in the conversation is because he beat Margarito, who was overrated in the first place. I think it is worth mentioning that though Mosley destroyed him, does anyone really think Margarito’s mind was really into the fight after being caught cheating?? I think not. None the less, Mosley was pretty much on his way out until he beat Margarito now he is “the man”?
Spaez, you will find, if you haven’t already that it is impossible trying to reason with some people on here. I think it is worth asking, was Pac actually tested for PED’s or was he tested for HIV prior to his fights with Morrales and Hatton?
Lex…as usual you speak facts not rubbish..keep it up!
@ Speaz: Mayweather will always be clean unless he fights outside of Vegas where his drug is legal, but illegal in the other 49 states so Texas was rejected by the Mayweather camp. He uses it right at fight time so the USADA won’t detect it unless they take test in between rounds. Have you noticed that the only one subjecting himself to blood test after the fight is Manny. Mayweather has been pushing for blood test right up to the fight, but not after. With that said, Mayweather will inject his drug right before he walks up to the right and come up clean. Mayweather has been known to use Xylocaine since 2002. He has not fought outside of Vegas since then.
To Bible of Boxing,
I have to say i am a supporter of FLoyd and I actually agree with you on a few levels. He knocked out gatti in 6 (hall of famer), beat judah in 12 (hall of famer, no?? Not sure if he will get in there or not, one of the all time unrealized talent) But that is not here nore there. I was comparing records as far as talent. I also agree there are many fighters that he has not fought. Shame on him…especially Mosley who has called him out for years.
2001 draw with agaipito sanchez
fought old morales and barrera
fought marquez
fought hatton (after he was beat)
retired de la hoya (awesome…much props, but old de la hoya, no where near the guy who fought trini, mosley, pernell, campas, ruellas…he was old, and fought like it…but never the less…much props.)
and Cotto (awesome performance, but again a guy who was previously dismantled by someone else first.)
So, pacqauoi fought 50 guys, ,a lot of which were no-names out of phillipines and the few hall of famers were definetely way past prime or previously beaten, broken and battered…none were raw and invincible…
Arguments can be made to discredit either man. But boxing is a business and no fighter is not thinking of that. They all are…even as an amateur.
As far as Jones goes, there are some guys who are so athletically gifted, they win with that for a long time, then time catches up, and they better have learned the fundamentals or…what happens…happened. Jones was never the same after the Tarver fight. I loved Jones, got his whole carreer on dvd, and firmly believe hes gonna get beat by hopkins. No need to even watch the fight…but I probally will. Cant help it, lol.
Thanks for the comments, well thought out but I would have liked to hear your thoughts on pacqauois opponents as well.
“Money May agreed to everything including $10mil fine for every pound over” and this is suppose to prove that he wants the fight? It’s just the opposite. If one quickly agrees to pay $10mil for every pound over, that tells me he has no intention to fight in the first place. Heck, it can be $10billion for every pound, afterall, he didn’t plan to fight in the first place.
Spaez, you are an internet doctor, Specializing in blog. Your topic is old and most of what you are talking about has been said long time ago. Keep it to yourself, will you? Manny is “Clean” period. There is nothing you can do anymore. Why don’t you watch your wife. She maybe screwing up your neighbor while you are at work. You need a random check for her once in a while.
money mayweather blew away his big payday. this was a once in a lifetime chance to prove all his critics that they are wrong. that he is the greatest. that he fights the best instead this fiasco became an ammunition against him. what were you thinking floyd. pacman is smaller,shorter and slower fighter. according to you he is one dimensional and a midget.. you could have whuuuup his punk ass all the way to the philippines. you drop the ball bigtime my idol. noe you gonna be labeled a coward forever. too bad.
Just to piggyback here because i feel it’s important…
Any athlete ever subjected to anti-doping and/or any professional anti-doping agency will tell you that if you set cutoof dates or more specifically, if you know the actual DATE of the test, then that defeats the purpose of having random drug tests (because they’re not random).
Without getting into specifics, there are several things that you can take the day of the test, and several things that you can do to “mask” elevated levels. If you’re not clean, it helps to know the dates you’re going to have to be doing those things…i.e the start of the promo tour (1st day)…30 days before the fight…fight night etc because you can take the necessary steps to manipulate the results of the tests.
So Arum makes another fight for Manny then says he wants a fight with Mayweather??? Mayweather and his team were still trying to negotiate a deal when he made a deal with Clottey!!! Arum declared the fight dead about 5 times before it was. Then he walked away. Now he wants it to happen???
Wow, Pac is fight in the great boxing mecca known as Dallas, TX!!?? WTF, Floyd is Rich and undefeated, now many boxers can claim the former, but how many can claim the latter? Thought so!
I’ll watch the fight if Floyd wears a dress and ballet shoes into the ring.
Manny never agreed to a 24 day “cutoff”. What he did agree to is to take ONE blood test on exactly the 24th day before the fight, as well as one test immediately afterward too. This is not about a mere 10 day difference. Floyd still wants random and UNLIMITED tests up until 14 days out. Pac never agreed to random and he never agreed to unlimited tests no matter what the “cutoff” date. Why hasn’t anyone pointed this out? If you take the logical progression of this king Mayweather nonsense, how about now if EVERY athlete in EVERY sport is not required to take the Olympic style (Olympics is an AMATEUR event, remember?) unlimited and random blood tests. That includes every football player, every basketball player, every hockey player, ever golfer, every bowler and rower, every skier and the list goes on and on. Is king Mayweather really that big? I am no expert but I understand that these PED’s take a long time to work. A lot longer than 10 days. So this is so clearly just a bunch of king Mayweather trying to manipulate the dumb boxing public because that is what we all are, according to PBF, just a bunch of dumb rubes to be manipulated by him. Now, the self proclaimed king of boxing, is so scared to risk his “0″ that he won’t even fight anyone from his own division. Geez, Floyd. Go back into retirement, would you? This fight did not happen because u are afraid of losing. Don’t think so? ok, list all the other fighters that Mayweather fought that he required this of. Hmmm. Zero right? Matthew Hatton could come into the ring on fight night and on worldwide television get an injection in the ring right then and there, from a serum bag labeled “PED” and do you really think Floyd would have the slightest concern about fighting him? Floyd is afraid of Manny and wants a built in excuse in case he loses so he can explain away why he lost his precious “0″. One question, if you had to place a bet on which fighter would more likely cheat in this fight if he thought he could get away with it, which fighter would you place your money on? Exactly.
Jose FXBoxing,
Thank you!!! Some of these people on here are taking this thing way too serious. This is just a healthy fun debate people don’t have to act crazy and start doing personal attacks on each other. Money May and Pac Man is not putting food on your tables or money in your pockets… We don’t have to get nasty with each other just because we don’t agree with one another. That is very immature and ignorant…
Let’s just have fun with it and face the fact and reality that Money May would destroy a juice free Pac Man. Money May would probably lose to a juiced up Ivan Drago like Pac Man if the fight was ever made without taking that blood test!!!!
I hate to see arguments instead of debates. Anyone saying anything but an opinion (i.e. I think so-n-so will win..BECAUSE) or stating facts isnt a true boxing connoisseur. An opionion should be supported and you dont need to call people names to make an argument…that is childish.
@barricade i totally agree with you. Paquiao depend on power punches. if he weaken with blood testing before the fight and give him poor punches and surely mayweather will win over unanimous decision.Even with random blood testing will not make an effect to weaken mayweather because his style of boxing hit and run style, People what to impose that Manny paquiao take the money and lose. this is not a good fight. Who want to see a fighting Manny paquiao with no power shot?Maybe weather fans.
Must’ve hurt a lot more for MoneyMay to lose that 40 million.
Floyd is the best… best con artist in the world.
Floyd Jr will not bow and talk to Arum, too much bad blood between the two and Floyd Jr posses a too big ego. Instead of taking blood from Pacquiao, bad blood should be extracted from these guys for the negotiations to get smoother. Arum have to deal with the dysfunctional Floyd, GBP and Al Haymon team.
Just a few weeks ago, everyone is hyped up now… Now they lost a 40 Million deal, no fights, no date, antagonized Pac. Flo lost it, Pac moved on. Who is to blame in the idiot Mayweather camp?
Wow,
Since we’re talking about morons, why don’t you go back and actually READ my post this time. Maybe read it a little bittle slower this time if it helps. I actually never mentioned steroids by name, but did however, mention HGH and in particular”The Clear” and I’m fully aware of how one should be tested for it. -Strike 1
Strike 2 genius is that I’m also fully aware the Manny agreed to take conditional drug tests that would span the course of about a month or so…which for some reason you felt was important to remind us all of again.
Strike 3 Under the Pacquiao proposal, test would stop long before “about a week”…they would stop at about a month (24 days). Why Pacquiao won’t go 14 days leads me to believe that he would be doing things to his body to possibly manipulate the results of the tests and those thigs could affect him on fight night if he didn’t have three weeks to recover.
Floyd’s camp, for the record, does not have the only voice on record here.
According to Teddy Atlas, there were emails originating from the Pacquiao camp questioning what sort of ramifications there would be should Manny fail a test and whether or not the fight could go on in the event Manny should fail a test.
There are more…but what’s the point. I said what I wanted to say, and apperantly you read what you want to read, so why waste my time.
Whether he’s on PEDs for a week a month, or 24 hours, Floyd shouldn’t waste his time either.
Andrew, you are glad you are a fan of a chicken, finger lickin con artist.
…….b.s……..pacquiao sucks……I loved this guy to death but you to be an idiot if you don’t get the picture …the guy is on steroids ….thats it….
i believe floyd made a mistakes,he knows that,everybody knows that.he should apologise to manny and go on with the fight,plain and simple,so that the fans know the true warrior.i pity floyd though same goes to oscar dela hoya.shame on you both.
BRIAN,
ARUM WILL NOT SELL MANNY AT ALL. HE IS A TRUE PROFESSIONAL AND A GENTLEMAN. PEOPLE LIKE HIM HAS BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME. A HARVARD LAWYER GRADUATE WITH A LOT OF STRINGS TO PULL DON’T THINK THIS WAY . BUT DON KING WILL SELL ANYONE.
BOB IS NOT GOING TO LET ALL THAT MONEY ESCAPE HIM. DONT BE SURPRISED IF HE SELLS OUT MANNY. HE MIGHT JUST BE THINKING ABOUT A WAY TO CA$H IN ON MANNY
Bottom line, Mayweather Jr. is a true cheater.(what do you expect? the internet is circulating his father was a convicted drug dealer) He was Overweight when he fought JMM, and his blood testing strategy is just brilliant for him, but it didn’t work out, PACMAN camp was not as stupid as he was, in fact they are smarter that him to figure out his stupidity. PACMAN shouldn’t be fighting mayweather anymore, dealing with mayweather camp is just dealing with MOBS, they will rob you in anyway. PACMAN doesn’t need to prove anything he needs to move on, he is now one of the greatest. PACMAN doesn’t need UGLY Mayweather Jr. at all but if the fight with PACMAN VS. UGLY Mayweather will push through, they should pay maywaether $1 (a buck) for PACMAN to break his face and shoulders.
All this talk about Floyd, Floyd, Floyd, when Manny is the one that walked away from the fight over a clause that had been in the contract since the beginning.
Floyd didn’t walk away when Pacquiao’s camp wanted to fine him a ridiculous $10 million for every pound over ’47 (which was not part of the initial contract), and Floyd agreed to take the same tests as Manny.
You know, all this talk about Manny never failing a test is making me sick. Shane never failed a test, and if it wasn’t for him confessing, no one would’ve known he was taking HGH “The Clear” before beating De La Hoya. Who would’ve ever expected Shane? One of Arum’s fighters is already suspended for fighting with loaded gloves and Pacquiao is vexed over a 10 day window? He’s down for THREE DAYS AFTER A BLOOD TEST? Please. Arum was lining up Clottey while people in his own camp where still trying to make the fight with Floyd…but somehow it’s Floyd that never wanted the fight.
The only reason I want to see this fight anymore is to see Floyd do to this punk exactly what he said he would. I’d be on the first flight to Vegas….hopefully Clottey will take care of business and it won’t get that far.
mayweather. . . who? mayweather?? ohh.. nevermind
Floyd’s the man? I’m not sure where you getting all this but clearly he’s not. And he’ll never be IT. He’s a great ducker, though, i give him that.
Pacquiao cannot be bullied or pushed around. He clearly doesn’t need floyd and now that he’s moved on, look who hasn’t found a dance partner. Hahahaha! That’s what he gets for being retarded just like his dad. Cheers!
As far as whos better no one knows, unless they fight.
Henry Armstrong Jr. you are an all time great, R.I.P.
Paqcauoi, get tested, your clean, god bless, you are 9th wonder of the world.
As far as records, Floyd has fought tons of great fighters, and he’s undefeated. (Im a floyd fan and I DO think hes ducked Mosley a long time though! And thats the fight to see!!!)
Fought Jose Luis Castillo…twice
Diego Corrales…twice
Angel Manfredi
Sharmbay Mitchell
Chop Chop Corley
Philip Na’dou
Judah
De la Hoya (I thought he lost/draw you gotta beat the champ and take the belt, but so be it)
Hatton
Baldomir
Gatti
Jaun Manuel Marquez
All of those guys were in the top 10 ranking. Many of those guys undefeated, and he embarrased/dominated them all. Some call him boring, I think it is one of supremecy. He makes every fight look easy. Never a mark on his face. he could fight twice in one night…24 rnds…a great fighter.
Pacqauoi is awesome, amazing. He has made a believer of me. But in comparing records he has definetely has the less accomplished list. His three biggest fights, were against guys whou were beaten and or destroyed prior to fighting him. So he still has to prove it for me. Maybe I am just not the biggest pac fan, but all the new age fighters are hand picking their opponents and trying to balance business with their legacy. Good luck; Duran, Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns are long gone. Margarito Cotto was the closest we came…and he cheated. Damn.
Marquez, Cotto and now Hatton could perhaps get a rematch with Pacquiao. But this time should insist on a random blood test. If that were to happen may be they could get the justice they deserve.
Even for De la Hoya all is not lost. He could request access to Pacquiao’s urine test results.
There is a possibility that Pacquiao’s test results were false negative i.e. they were NOT NORMAL, but because the results did not fit the “positive profiles” at the time, they could have been judged negative. So De la Hoya could have his justice by using the urine tests to sue Pacquiao and demand compensation.
mayweather isnt afraid he just doesnt wanna fight someone who is juicing. i know people using steroids and i know that it can leave the system within a few days. so thats why mayweather wants that testing. he definitely isnt scared. pac-man is the one who is afraid to admit he is a cheater.
Yup, Here we go cowboys stadium (and the cheerleaders
) Pac-Clottey is the fight for now.
all this time Floyd was hiding when the negotiations was ongoing because he was so SCARED.
now that is off. he said he whooped Manny’s punk ass.
hahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
that kind of talk is so 80′s floyd.
ALL BARK and no bite floyd….like your fans!!! very moronic
I’m glad to be a Floyd fan… I’m glad to say my fighter has never been knocked out by 2 no named bums. I’m glad to say my guy never got beat by Eric Morrales. I’m glad my guy has nothing to hide when it comes to drug testing. I’m glad my guy is favored to win the fight if him and Pacquiao meet. I’m glad to be a Floyd fan.
Move on. Let XYLOCAINE FLOYD do his own thing. It is now Pac-Clottey… a bloody fight!!!!!! This is a 50/50 fight, just like what Cotto said.
Mr.Arum do not distract Floyd he is busy training……FOR THE OLYMPICS.
This only proves that this mayweather is afraid of the Pac Period. Let’s clear the air now and let us leave him if he is truly afraid. This is good for Pac to not fight him anymore and retire with the belt of the greatest fighter ever and let see who has the last laugh..
great article, guys on the bleacher report. have a look.
interesting and hard to deny! it makes me stick with my first prediction. floyd wont fight on march 13.
one, being pac/clottey fight will dominate and floyd v mallig or campbell or hatton etc..
two, floyd would have to fight mosley/berto or paul williams!
aint gonna happen!
Mayweather should just have agreed to the 24 Day Test. You can’t go on public and say you’re okay with 14 days, but not 24 days, what the hell does he think Manny is going to take in those 10 days? Makes no freaking sense.
Amigo, It is natural for Floyd to do things like this. Just like the way he bought cheaply that 2 lbs, delay the fight, and make JMM go up weight. Now he just wants to have to have someone interrupt Pac’s training. Pretty cool eh? Luckily Pac is not JMM.
When you know you are going to lose for the first time then you will make all kind of excuses to avoid it…………………..
FIGHT for all the boxing fans.
No more excuses. Just fight…
Clottey is a good example!!!!!!!!!!!
What people is missing is this is a 2 man sport, a PAC-FLO dance and no other, one time match, one time event, the ultimate, ‘the fight’, mano a mano, duel of the world, east meets west, a history in a making, blah blah blah.
And you have to bring up that blood test? It is like going on a diet on Thanksgiving dinner. THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO BE SELF RIGHTEOUS. Just indulged, I mean just FIGHT!
BJweather is really hard pole bull, 14, 21 or what not numbers to agree on nullifies random testing.Iif he agrees to a 14 day cut off, then might as well trash the whole blood test completely. what an idiot.
Bill D,
your right man, about floyd ducking margarito for 8 mill.
marg was a top contender, had mexico behind him (just like marquez) and was ducked, plain and simple!
Floyd Mayweather is afraid to fight someone he knows will beat him. That’s why he is making it more impossible for the fight to happen. I have never heard of this happen before to any other fighter. Why now?? Is it because Mayweather is afraid his winning streak will come to an end? Most experts and most people believe so. Mayweather ducked Margarito for eight million. If they allowed me to step in the ring I will knowing I won’t win but I will the one laughing to the bank!!
wowz,
cheers man, makes me feel a whole lot better. i admitt i dont no a hell of alot about steriods and blood testing, so thats why i try to stick to the boxing.
theres just so much crap written on some bloggs that profess to knowing when all they do is generalise. eg that staement of mr rich etc..
but cheers for that
Impossible to fight now. Roger Mayweather is out of office.
mayweather is not in a position to dictate terms. its
not because he wants it done his way, pacquiao will
need to give in. Knowing himself to be clean, its a
big insult to be asked to undergo such testing unpre-
cedented in boxing. Pacquiao don’t want to be pushed
over by some one who thinks highly of himself to show
the world his in command. But if he will talk to Manny the right way, he might consider it if only to show the
world he cares for the sport and the fans.
floyd couldn’t beat snow of a rope! he’s a runner! pac would have destroyed him….. he needs to prove himself, and i cant see that happening, he will probly end up fighting some washed up (FLY WEIGHT)
Inubasan,
You are absolutely right man.
money-mayweather says my record is 1000000 to 0 fighting smaller guys who is not in his weight class and keeps calling himself the best. Pathetic…..
WTF? Flo’s dropped already, Clottey’s ready, Cowboys are ready, Pac’s ready, everyone’s moved on. Let’s see Flo stand on his own now…
unfortunetly guys, i am starting to agree or begin to understand where the mayweather camp is coming from.
now im a big pacquiao supporter and i’ve had countless arguements with other bloggrs on this website about various issues between pacquiao and mayweather, and when it comes to a boxing legacy and who’s beaten who i dont think the mayweather legacy stands a chance when compared.
i base this purely on the fact that floyd hasnt fought any of the top welters and super welters since defeating an aging de la hoya in a close split decision in mid 2007.
it surprises me that mayweather fans have a go about pac not fighting this and that when their fighter is clearly the biggest ducker of all.
the arguements that i had with bloggers stating that “pac was a cheat because he didnt take random bloods” etc… never really washed with me, because of the way it was done. eg camp floyd going public and calling pac a cheat then demanding bloods against a guy, (pacman) thats clearly the biggest draw in the sport right now, thats looking at becoming the president of his country was never going to work. how would pac look by getting discredited and bowing down to unbased speculation, getting bullied by a bully then trying to lead his country etc… the floyd demands werent just in a sporting context for manny they were political as well.
however, now that the fight has been canned and the only way it appears that the fight will happen if floyd relaxes his random blood testing demands is unsettling.
if i were golden boy productions i would say to floyd, make a public apology for impying that pacquiao is a cheat, but stick to your guns about random blood testing.
by doing this he clears the air with pacquiao (an apology is in order, not for wanting random blood tests but just for the way it came out) and then the pressure will be on pacquiao to respond. if he still says no to the fight because of blood, then im afraid that i’d have to agree with camp floyd.
it hasnt got to that stage yet but after march 13 when the 2 fight (and pacman cleans up the ppv phoney war) it will be interesting. do the 2 still dodge each other or which fighter gets the winner of berto mosley?
ps MR RICH if your out there man i still havent seen any evidence of a steriod that can be taken for 6 to 8 weeks straight and in 48 hours after the last usage be out of your system?! and i have googled it!
Blood test is an OLD topic at this point. PAC is clean and that was confirmed. For those who are still on that subject… the best for you to do is get a big stone and drop it on your head… only once. If you see those bright stars circling around your head… that will be the answer that you are looking for.
this whole event has defenitely opened up pandoras box, in Pacquiao’s defense why should he be bullied and be subject to an olympic style testing when it has never been done in boxing period. Golden boy de la hoya never wanted to take a blood test ever. Pacquiao has taken many blood test as shown in the 24/7 episode and never did proved positive for steroids. The Navada boxing commision conducts and supervise these test and that is all that is required those are the rules but why now that the biggest fight of the decade would these come to play. Ok if they suggested that from now on everyone fighting for a championship belt should have a unlimited blood test i bet Pacquiao would agree to it. Everyone in boxing from now on should be subject to an olympic style drug test bet that boxing would have a scandal in the national baseball league proportion.
Let’s look at this mathematically…Pacman usually trains for 8 WEEKS, Roach stated that Manny is down for 3 DAYS after each blood draw which takes roughly half of training week.
Random blood testing encompasses 6 out of those 8 WEEKS (14 days cut-off). Let’s say, draw blood once a week (minimum) for the first 6 weeks of training and will cut it down in half to 3 actual training weeks.
Add 3 WEEKS to 14 days cut-off will give Pacman a grand total of 5 WEEKS of actual training to prepare for the fight and it’s not Floyd’s problem that Pacman gets distracted by blood test (not to mention–RANDOM)…THAT IS JUST BRILLIANT!
my legacy will be 60 and 0 …manny duckious’ will be *
I don`t known but i losing interest in the fight.
IM TIRED OF THIS NONSENSE WE DONT NEED MAYWEATHER TO FIGHT PAC NO MORE ITS OVER EVERYONE GET OVER IT!
@Jose SFBoxing
Henry Armstrong did the same thing as PAC, does that mean we should dig his grave and test for PED just to make sure he deserve to be one of the all time great.
I am Pacquiao fan… Mayweather’s apology will be a good step to the sport world especially boxing. As Pinoy, we are very forgiving and friendly. You give us your warm smile and we will do the same. For the benefit of every fans like me let’s be friends. Entertainment business is about sportmanship and nothing else. But our blog continues…Good or Bad…..LOL
they will fight it is all just a promotion stunt theyll fight.
mayweather schools pacquiao all day long. Bob ‘the fight is off!’ arum never wanted it in the first place. Team Pac was dropping names like Yuri Foreman and Paul Malignaggi even while they were still supposed to be negotiating the mayweather fight with Golden Boy. Now Pacquiao instantly has a nice fight with fellow top rank fighter clottey lined up while Mayweather’s been left without a dance partner. It’s obvious who walked away.
Coward floyd is a jerk.
Manny Pacquiao don’t have to fight this arrogant addict.
Pacquiao/Clottey could be Pacquiao’s last fight.
If I were Pacquiao, I would not allow this jerk to dictate and impose his blood testing requirement. floyd needs Pacquiao more than Pacquiao needs him.
Go to hel floyd. Nobody respects you now except for the morons in ESPN and GBP.
As previously stated, Mayweather is NOT THAT BIG. The fight, should it return to negotiations, will no longer detail any blood testing requirements. This was Mayweather’s last chance for compromise because he won’t get that same demand anymore if he chooses to revisit the fight. Again, MAYWEATHER IS NOT THAT BIG to make such demands against Pacquiao.
we all talk about a big fight and who does what to whom and how and when they did it. Both fighters have reasons why they should win this fight, and both fighters have reasons behind why people think they can get beat. Testing is the reason its not gonna happen??? They both are a little concerned by the fight with the other. IS pacqaui juicing; I dont know. Neither do you. Neither does mayweather. Is it easy to put on 25 punds of muscle; no. Is it easy to put on 25 pounds of muscle without a “fat” stage of adding mass before you turn it into muscle? No. Is it easy to add all that weight without some kind of loss in performance? No. So there are legitimate reasons why mayweather wants these tests, and he has about $20 million dollars per fight worth of reasons to be concerned, if he has a loss. Pacqauoi has the same amount of reasons to not take the test, if he is juicing, and if he does believe that was the reason he lost the morales fight, or if just on principle.
This being said, if he doesnt fight floyd and he doesnt do the tests, the only guys that will have a fight without it, are those hungry up and comers that have more intrest in getting a super fight, that winning one, or someone in his own promotions company.
Either way, all this politics is why boxing is in such a sad state as of right now, and personally I am more interested in seeing mayweather fight mosley, than mayweeather pacqauoi.
id love this fight to happen ,id say pac man might rip his head off but its tuff one to call .hope it happens .
All this is BS,money talks,if manny wants to fight for pennies feel free,floyd is the big payday in boxing period,he can fight shane mosley and make more money than fighting pacquiao so just take the test,for approx more than 20 million more than you will get for this fight just do it and If you whip his Butt then you can call all the shots but until then Floyd is the man !
So, basically, the story is that there is no story? Wow, great work, Jason Kim!
Daniel, you’re an idiot, same as Mayweather. Who cares about ESPN? They have no impact on Pacquiao or Mayweather. Manny will continue to have mega-fights and earn $$$millions until he decides to stop and retire from boxing for good. ESPN never had any influence in Manny’s career. The global internet/web is BIGGER BIGGER than ESPN and that is Manny’s world — the internet. ESPN is a tiny little dot in a piece of paper.
there 2secs wow, lets get it on
Which is more effective blood test? 14 days before the fight or approx. 30-60 minutes right after the fight?
Yeah, nineteen days is cool. Manny, though he shouldn’t have to, should do it, not for himself, not for Mayweather, but for the fans since we pay good money to watch him fight, even when he fought slim competition. 19 days isn’t ideal for Manny, at least from his point of view, but that’s what this is, a negotiation. Give in a little more, just to make this fight happen, while both are young enough that we give a damn.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!! according to a reliable source, ESPN, IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND SAFETY, WILL NOT BROADCAST/COVER SPORTS EVENTS UNLESS ATHLETES PARTICIPATING IN THE EVENT AGREE TO UNDERGO OLYMPIC DRUG TESTING BEFORE THE GAME. THE RELIABLE SOURCE ADDED THAT ATHLETES WHO WILL NEGOTIATE TO MAKE COMPROMISES OR REFUSE TO UNDERGO SUCH TESTS WILL BE SUBJECT TO HARSH TREATMENTS JUST LIKE WHAT WAS DONE TO MANNY PACQUIAO.
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“This is great news that Arum is still interested in putting this together”
Of course Arum is interested in making the fight, it will make him a ton of money. Mayweather will never go to Arum to talk though, the bad blood between the 2 of them was 1 of the first stumbling blocks to raise its head when this fight was first talked about.