And what if Pacquiao is `CLEAN`?
January 15th, 2010
By Dezzie Lightbulb: Boxing has always been plagued with `what ifs`. What if Ali and Tyson had met in the ring, each in his prime? What if Cotto`s team had properly checked Margarito`s gloves before their fight? What if such and such a judge had bought himself a new pair of spectacles the day of yet another crazy decision? What if, what if, what if! These questions can never be fully answered. They can haunt us, and remain as cruelly tantalizing after twenty years as they were the first day. The latest `what if` to storm the boxing world is; `what if Pacquiao has been using PEDs or steroids?` Even longtime, faithful Pacquiao fans must have asked themselves, although probably in the privacy of their most inner selves, what if it`s true. What if Pacquiao has always been a cheat, his whole boxing career nothing more than a second-rate, shabby sham?
Pacquiao in his early days was a very different fighter to the one we see before us today. He was a light, slight southpaw, had a truckload of confidence and self-belief, and a devastating straight left punch that put an early end to many a boxers` ambitions. Yet his confidence cost him dearly. His two early defeats can be put down to overconfidence. He lost to less talented fighters who caught him unawares as he played `cock of the ring`. While he definitely had talent, his losses underlined his need for more boxing skills, and more importantly, the need for a really good trainer. Both came to him later when he teamed up with Freddie Roach.
Roach took the raw diamond that was Pacquiao, and with all the skills and attention to detail of a master jeweler, shaped him to become the brilliant jewel of a boxer we see today. Pacquiao`s boxing arsenal has been transformed from a `one-shot-wonder` to that of an all-round, great boxer. Today it seems he can do just about anything in the ring. As far as I know there is no drug that can give you skills you don`t have. That is the work of a trainer.
There is a very good reason why Pacquiao and Roach get along so well. At some stage in his career Pacquiao must have admitted to himself that he was simply not a good enough boxer to become a legend. While most boxers would rather die than to have to admit to a shortcoming, Pacquiao is obviously able to put himself to question. He knows he needs Roach, and he respects him enough to listen to every word he says. How many times, while watching a fight, have you heard a trainer telling his fighter in the corner between rounds to double up his jab or keep his hands up or some such, only to find that in the following round the obviously good advice has fallen on deaf ears? The boxer goes right on doing what he should not be doing. More than once or twice I have been pleasantly surprised to hear Roach telling Pacquiao to do something different in the next round, and lo and behold, Pacquiao does exactly what he has been told. The best trainer in the world will achieve nothing with a boxer who won`t listen to him. Roach is as a brilliant trainer as Pacquiao is a trainee.
So, back to the `what ifs`; what if` the reason Pacquiao defeated Hatton had nothing to do with drugs, but was because he had learned to use both left and right hooks, neither of which he used in his early years? And `what if` the only PED that Pacquiao has ever used is Mr. Freddie Roach, one of the best Performance Enhancing Dudes in the business? `
Michael Moorer gives us valuable insight into boxing, and particularly into training in an article at Fight Hype; “I see these guys that half-ass fight, and some of them down here in training, they half-ass train, and that`s not how I was brought up.” For Moorer training is obviously the key to success in boxing. He goes on to tell us how unbelievably hard Pacquiao trains. “I witnessed him go 26 rounds, nonstop hitting the mits. That`s phenomenal. He just strives to be the best.” He also tells us of Pacquiao`s work ethic and his will to win, all in the most flattering of terms. Moorer was a world champion and is now a trainer, so his thoughts on the subject definitely carry weight. He has proved himself to be an honest, straight-talking guy with loads of integrity. That`s good enough for me.
So `what if` Moorer is right, and Pacquiao`s success comes from such a high level of hard work, discipline, and dedication, that steroids are simply unnecessary?
In many ways Pacquiao`s hunger for success in not as surprising as it may seem. In Pacquiao we have all the elements of the ultimate fairytale, `rags to riches` story. The lowly street urchin who makes it big in a world he may never even have dreamed of as a child. It is a well known fact that a disproportionate number of self-made success stories find their roots in deprived backgrounds. Could it be that the sting of near starvation once felt will forever haunt and drive a man, and may even drive him to exceptional greatness? Perhaps being born into abject poverty gives the lucky ones who manage to escape a sense of steely, stubborn self-determination that makes them fight every second of their existence to never have to return. Can we conceive that Pacquiao feels that he has a sacred `duty` to pay back for his own good fortune by being the greatest boxer he can, and then to use his fame and fortune to help his fellow countrymen get a fairer deal than he got as a child? Could that be what has driven him to the top? Why not?
`What if` Pacquiao`s success is a result of an exceptional drive inherited from his background, and not some `two-day-washout` designer drug?
So why did Pacquiao refuse to take the damned tests? Pacquiao knows, the rest of us can only speculate. I feel that it is a combination of things. First and foremost he refused point-blank to get pushed around by Mayweather. Understandable! Secondly he did not want his all important training schedule interrupted by unannounced, invasive blood takes which could have weakened him at a time he needs all his strength. Thirdly he may believe that Mayweather needs this fight more than he does, and is playing poker not boxing. Mayweather is reportedly close to broke. Even if Pacquiao only makes 10 million dollars from his fight with Clottey, 10 million dollars in Pacquiao`s hands in the Philippians is probably the equivalent of 100 million dollars in Mayweather`s hands in the US. Pacquiao took the best welterweight challenge available for March 13, leaving Mayweather with very little choice of landing himself a convincing match. This could all be part of a plan so that team Pacquiao can dictate terms if, and when negotiations are reopened between the two teams.
To those who claim that Pacquiao`s refusal to take the random blood tests is conclusive proof of his guilt, I ask you, `what if` one or all of the above are the real reasons why Pacquiao refused the tests, not because he is dirty?
It is very easy to understand why so many people have jumped on this `Manny`s a juicer` bandwagon. Our world has evolved into a cynical, dark place. In recent years we have been repeatedly betrayed by our elected leaders who have been serving their own nasty little agendas rather than serving the common good. Some of the Churches we worshiped in have fallen into damnable disgrace. Huge pharmaceutical companies have been caught doing far more harm to people`s heath than good. Soulless corporations bloody-mindedly and shamelessly rape our world. These days nothing more is sacred. Nothing is as it seems. Honesty has become rarer than the finest gold.
And yet, `what if`, `WHAT IF` for once something was as it should be? `WHAT IF` Manny Pacquiao is simply the best boxer of his generation, no drugs required? Is that really so hard to believe? I hope not, and, call me a helpless romantic if you will, but I actually find it easy to believe the beautiful, magical, amazing story of the skinny little slum-kid who conquered the world.
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Jasper, you said you are a Pac fan. You probably know that Pacquiao agreed to take the blood test, even a random test, but Mayweather and Pacquiao disagreed on the cut off date. So stop saying he refused to take the test.
So many people are suspicious of Pacquiao, but not even the slightest suspicious of the motives of Mayweather. USADA was barking off on Mayweather’s corner. How can USADA be neutral? USADA should have approached NSAC to make arrangements. But the ulterior motive was to put Pacquiao in the spotlight.
I’m not religious but this reminds me when Jesus was being persecuted and being asked to go down from the cross to prove he was God. It would have been easy for Him, but he didn’t at that time. Although He did later on.
Pacquiao wants to enter the ring with Mayweather in the best condition he can. He believes strongly that he lost his fight with Morales when blood was drawn from him too close to the fight. And he doesn’t want the same thing to happen with his fight with Mayweather. Whether this cause actually made this effect, it doesn’t matter, because Pacquiao believes it does. For all we know, Mayweather, who is with Golden Boy(as well as Morales), is using this to gain a psychological advantage at Pacquiao.
Arum, for his part, did not handle this situation well. He let blood testing become the centre of the discussion and left Pacquiao in an awkward position. It’s a situation like a woman being asked by a guy to marry him in the center of a football stadium with millions watching. Is it a “yes” or is it a “no”?
But to people’s surprise, Pacquiao did say “no”. Like that woman in the middle of the football, Pacquiao is entitled to say no. But is it right for that guy to insist?
There’s so much hoopla about this blood test anyway, that we fail to consider alternatives. Mayweather says this testing is the future of sports, but history will see it differently. Invasive blood test is not the future of sports. There will definitely be more testing, but not the manner it is conducted at present.
Boxers starve and dehydrate their bodies to make weight. They submit themselves to extreme physical training on the days leading to the fight. Enter blood test. There are many people who claim they feel weak and thirsty when blood is taken from them. I am one of them. But the good thing is I can eat to my hearts content after, boxers can’t. They have to maintain weight.
Let’s take a different scenario. Let’s take a basketball team for example. If this testing is the future, then we can see basketball players queuing up in the locker room to have their blood drawn out. They have games every fortnight, so they will probably be tested twice or three times before every game. THAT’S ABOUT 40 NEEDLE PRICS IN A YEAR. And we say drug addicts are needle frenzy!
Remember these tests are not finger pricks. They are syringe-full of blood. We can always say, it’s not much or what’s all the fuss. But it’s too much for me. And Pacquiao says it’s too much for him. And I’ve met many people who are the same.
Yes, I know what you will say next. Pacquiao stands to earn 25 to 40 million just to have his blood drawn and enter the ring. You see that’s the difference with Pacquiao and Mayweather. Pacquiao wants to put up a good fight in the ring. Mayweather wants to enter the ring only if he can win. So that’s why he’s disrupting Pacquiao now with his mind games. Pacquiao has enough money, he said so. He lives in the Philippines. He earned almost the equivalent of the Philippine total foreign investment with his fight with Hatton. All Pacquiao now wants is to cement his claim as pound for pound number one. He wants nothing more than to beat Mayweather. And he will not give Mayweather the slightest advantage. Not even a psychological advantage.
So between proving that he’s not taking PEDs and beating Mayweather to a pulp, no doubt, Pacquiao prefers a beaten Mayweather.
So anybody who questions Pacquiao, you should also be asking, “Is Mayweather clean?”.
Great article. Thanks Dezzie.
Wow! I see I wasted a day debating with you! Why is blood testing a big issue? no one has ever answered that question just a lot of BS about 62′s head spinning. Since No one has been able to answer the underlying question I guess I win. But because of Pac’s team we all lose.
Jaybee, Culture is a week argument because he was willing to compromise . . . if it is a cultural thing he should been uncompromising. I could respect that and it would almost be a solid reason. But once again it was not one of the 62 reasons to back out
Jasper – this is what you call “a look at the big picture kind of thing”.
Keep searching,if you can comprehend what I wrote and respond; we can talk.
Making blanket statements like “I think this is a weak arguement”, without being able to counter with reason, people think you are not ligit.
If you get the big picture you won’t be so twisted up.
Good luck with that my friend. IMO
Jaybee, Culture is still very weak argument because he was willing to compromise. If he was so upset he should not have even sat down for anymore talks. he should have ended the game from the beginning. Besides Manny has been fighting in the US for years now he should be used to their ways by now . . . common he did not just get off the boat.
Damage has been done.Obviously Mayweathers camp did made the negotiations harder.
A bully wanted to change the unwritten playground rule,unfortunately a kid with a bigger punch wouldn’t budge,and continue playing in the bigGEST stadium.While the bully is still “picking” other kid.
This is how it sums up,Why the the fight did not happen.
now you are being silly Jasper, never did I mention being offended.
Consider this – Nothing else matters to Pacquiao except his legacy in the Philippines. If you can grasp this you will understand, he is not concerned what you or I think in America.
jaybee, If he said no because he was offended ( i do not think that was one of the 62 reasons) but if he did that would almost be a solid answer
Jaybee, if pac said yes to testing without a hesitation like freddie roach did this would be a non-issue. Going into this whole ordeal both sides had strong arguments to claim the had the upper hand. That aside Arum totally f’d up everything because he ran his mouth outside of negotiations more than anyone. lets be real both guys can make 40 million within a couple of fights so neither guy really needs the other. This whole argument of who needs who more or who holds the upper hand is very weak. Or the argument of one fighter being afraid of the other is way off base. Jaybee, I believe that is two strikes, both culture and chance of hurting his legacy does not hold water
Jasper
Pac did say no?
You don’t like the way Pac did it. (Offended?)
Hard to make a case that he is being sensitive, if that is what you took from what I said.
When you are trying to bring two people with mutual interests together, there is a much higher percentage of success when the weaker side of the negotiation doesn’t make demands that will conflict with a core value of the stronger side. In this case Pac has his ducks lined up outside of Boxing which has to be taken into account.
The result of a Mayweather victory in fight one of three would have ruined Pac’s in tact legacy.
Mayweather (or the media) would have stated “Make him fight clean and he can’t win”, it would validate what are today (as far as Pac would say) false claims.
That was too high a price to pay, all things considered.
Floyd backed himself in a corner, why, who really knows?
If you take Floyds antics out of the equation, and he beats Pac 2 out of three, straight up, Pac was a great fighter and Mayweather beat him, legacy intact – nothing wrong there.
The way PBF wanted things to end up if he won the first fight were unreasonable to Pacquiao.
i have been a fan of pac before he was even on the radar. I am probably the only person who favoured him over MAB in their first fight. Does being a fan mean you agree with every move every decision . . .no. I have always been a lakers fan but i do not agree with every move the team makes, or the cowboys in football or the canadians in hockey. why are you reluctant to consider that pac is wrong to walk away? As a fan I think he should take the test . . . does far m,ore damage to his image if he does not.
62 Agreed you mess up a fight with crazy demands . . . blood testing is not crazy.
jaybee . . . I agree with one thing you said it is Bob Arums fault. but are you serious about culture being the downfall. Do you think Pacs team has not played hard ball in the past at the table? If he is that sensitive he should not be fighting! Man lets keep it real this is hard knocks stuff that is going on. he respected Cotto but they fought @ 145 and he respected Oscar but they fought @ 147. If he was so offended because of culture why did he agree to 24 days and not 14. he should have said no all together because you have offended me. that would have been close to being a solid reason . . . but sorry jaybee no cigar
bxn24 – Jasper is a toy, you ruin all the fun.
62 a sign of insanity is constantly repeating yourself. A fight is based on a contract and any contract can have blood testing within it. For you to say nothing will ever change is insane because . . . wait a sec why am I even talk to the the RAIN MAN?
bxn I do not think PBF is a chess master but it may have been a condition designed to mess with Pacs head. I look at negotiations as not only a chess match but one with several test with inside the game to see who blinks first. I think Pac’s team has failed the test miserably and now they have raised questions if he ever played the game fairly to begin with.
Jaybee . . . he does it alienate his fans? I think I will put you in the same category as agent 62. Anyone else?
O.K. Jasper,
Obviously the real reason Pac does anything is to make guys like you insane.
bxn24 . . . that would be scary because 62nd head would stop spinning because it would blow up! I suggested that question earlier but no one could answer. I want to ask my original question ( to someone other than 62 because his head is still spinning). Is there One solid reason for Pac to not take the blood test? enough of these stupid games with 62 come on someone must have an answer?
62 I have yet to hear someone say that Pac was on something. I have heard someone say he in his opinion that he might be on something. Like Ricky Hatton said ” we are not playing tiddly winks!” Boxing and Negotiations are rough. I know, i know you cannot understand because your head is spinning.
62, I think you have repeated yourself 62 times and it still does not hold water. do you know who leaked the story about the demand for drug testing . . . when you go into a fight everything is on the table and you can ask or demand anything within reason. So your answer to this is that a blood test is not within reason. No a blood test is not required but is the penalty? My five year old nephew can make a better argument than that. Once again are you saying a 90lb 14 year Russian Gymnast can take a test the best fighter in the world cannot?
Jasper- Who says Pac walked away. He has PBF in his pocket, and in court.
bxn24- bullseye, u nailed it
bxn24 . . . I do not understand your quote. 62 man you are like a broken record. You keep bring up that useless point. If you cannot understand the most important thing is the contract I guess you are a lost cause. Let m,e ask you another question since you are avoiding my first one. Is there a need for a $10 million penalty in any boxing match? Is Pac’s team going to insist this with every fighter he fights? LMAO I know, I know you cannot answer that question because your head is spinning and you cannot only spew out garbage. When you head stops spinning maybe you can answer this question since you could answer my last one thus proving that there is no solid reason why Pac would walk away from THE FIGHT
62 you do need a contract and for both sides to agree . . . LMFAO. to stop your head from spinning stop smoking what you are smoking. man do you understand how the boxing industry works or did you just stumble upon this site and start spewing garbage?
62,I see you spew allot a lot of nonsense and cannot have a serious debate. No to mention that you have not given me a solid reason why Pac would refuse the test. And to state that this system will be in place forever is pure speculation. this who debacle may lead to real change in the drug testing in boxing. For years boxing was more concerned about the perception of being clean as opposed actually being clean. SSM passed the testing but we later found out that he was the juice versus Oscar. Are you saying that a little 12 year old Russian gymnast should be required to face tougher testing then the lb 4 lb best fighter in the game?
Jaybee . . . not bad, better then 62 lol. but Pac could have avoided all of this crap if he agreed to the testing from the beginning. ACtually I thing it was freddie roach that said the testing was fine and then later retracted. Pac’s people has backed him into a corner and he is in a no win situation. Holyfield agreed to testing with Tyson for their second fight but put in the stipulation that the results would not be read until after the fight. effectively messing with tyson’s head and gaining a mental edge going into the fight. It seems that Pacs people through 62 reasons why they did not want to take the test and was hoping one stuck. If he did not want to take the test they should have came up with a solid reason instead of all the crap they were spewing. Pac is losing the battle of public opinion and his only opponent is himself
62 my head was spinning from the 62 reasons why Pac would not take the test . . . I am sure PBF said i will make this demand and you act suspicion and sue me so I can have a reason not to fight. PBF is brilliant. he knew all along that Pac’s people would act really shady and would not agree to random testing because a few drops of blood is to much LMFAO. Earth to 62, Earth to 62 . . . your reasoning has a problem!
FloydRoid is a fool. He is saying Pacs record is crap and he is dirty, Pac must take a different type of test to prove he isn’t.
FloydRoid and his people couldn’t handle that they just are not the big dogs at this negociating table. Pac dosen’t need FloydRoid. In his country he is respected, and with his political asperations to improve things for his people he could quite possibly become a future President in the Philippines. (FloydRoid and his people know all about this)
If Pac takes the “Olympic Testing” bait, two things could happen……..
* FloydRoid looses the fight, and he looses 1 (one) fight.
*Pac looses the fight and he looses every past fight he has ever fought (all of them) because FloydRoid says “See I was right” I made him clean and he couldn’t win.
Why in the world would Pac do that! It is illogical.
It is entirely possible that FloydRoid and his people are so full of themselves, that they are plain fools and blew it by pushing to hard with no guns to back it up…OR sometime before/after Cotto they planned on ducking this fight. I tend to think they are just fools outside the ring that are sitting in court soon instead of getting a payday.
62 your head is spinning because you cannot understand basic logic. The negotiations of this fight have absolutely nothing to do with any other fight. In fact every fight negotiation sets a precedent and is an entity upon itself. the question is not has this ever been done before or will it be ever done again. You must be taking the stand that the request is an unreasonable request in your words PBF is asking for the stars and the moon. Why do you take this position? what makes this request so unreasonable? Why would Pac walk away from this fight over a little bit of blood? Because it was Pac who walked away I just want to know why.
62 ave . . . your silence tells me you have no reason. I am not an expert on PEDs but I have read enough on testing to know that the best type of testing is a combination of urine and blood testing and that it has to be random. Plus the closer to fight night the test the better because the earlier the cut off time the higher the probability that it could be put into a training regiment. There is so much info out there now that I thought everyone would have read a little on the subject. 62 do not debate if you do not know the basic facts
Wow 62 still no solid reason for not taking the test! Because it is not required by the NSAC . . . so what?! These where negotiations between two fighters . . . one agreed to the others terms the other did not it is that simple. How hard is it for you to understand it is Arum who controls everything between Pac and Clottey and the deal is was easily done . . . but that has nothing to do with Pac walking away for no solid reason. Man look at the facts and stop thinking with your heart.
62 pac and clottey are handle by arum so it was an easy deal to be made. If you are asking me if the current rules in place are sufficient to ensure a fair fight I would have to say no! the current testing procedure of the NSAC is so antiquated it could be compared to the ancient Blood letting in medical terms. But this debate is not even about the NSAC or even if Pac is juicing. The debate i why did the fight fall apart? It was Pac who walked away from the deal for a reason that you cannot give me a solid reason for him to refuse. I am a fan of pacs but I think for myself and am not afraid to call a spade a spade.
so your solid reason is that Pac should not take the test because he gives in to PBF . . . lame very lame. it took you all of that to come up with that lame ass excuse. How come you cannot come up with a real reason? I am talking pure logic. No one is asking him to do anything that they would not do? Now if he was asked to take a rectal exam or run a marathon they day of the fight then that would be outrageous. 62 . . . I am still waiting for a solid answer
hell both sides could agree to having the ring coated with oil and fight with pillows as long as both sides agree. PBF agreed to $10 million which is unheard of why would Pac not agree about the testing?
blood testing and a weight limit is not required for any fight . . . what is your point? Anyone can fight anyone at any time under any conditions as long as both sides agree.
sorry I meant “no one is making excuses”
Name one excuse . . . just because you cannot answer a simple question. I am a REAL fan and want to see his name cleared
62 is there any precedent for a $10 million per pound penalty?
62 any fight is based on an agreement between 2 sides. if the two sides do not agree then the fight does not happen. PBF asked for testing and pac asked for a penalty. Both of these positions are not required but PBF agreed and Pac did not . . . what is the truth 62 what is the truth?
How is anyone making excuses? you know the real truth but you cannot handle the truth. the fight did not happen because of Pac . . . plain and simple. the real question is “what if” Pac agree to the blood test would we have a Mega fight . . . yes!
62 there is no reason to refuse a blood test . . . i agree! Why would you disagree give m,e a reason?
what if it was PBF who refused to the drug testing or the $10 million penalty? What would you say then?
Pac could fight Vklit but they would have to agree to the terms of a fight.
There is no reason why a drug test should hold up the fight . . . that is why i am, asking why would Pac not agree to it? There has to be one solid reason out there? Not just a bunch of name calling. Also, I believe it was the mediator who said it was Arum and his crew that broke the rules laid out for the meditation. They were the ones who broke the gag order. As far as I who leaked the story about the testing I have yet to find out who did it.
As far as I know the are both clean, results came out this week.
The question is on the day of the fight, What enhance somebody to endure 12 rounds of boxing,while being known for “brittle hands”?
62nd name calling does not answer the question. it just shows that you are frustrated and do not have a real answer.
if any ones fights are in doubt then their legacy is in question. it also plays an impact on their future earnings and also hurts the sport if its #1lb for lb fighter has a big question m,ark over his head.
62 . . . I see you have no idea what a negotiation is. no one has ever been required to pay a $10 million penalty but floyd agreed . . . like i said you cannot have it both ways . . . even a 1st grader can tell you that.
Legacy! Is that a question or a statement? Anyhow!
Fights makes legacy since boxers is our agenda here.I don’t
care what they’ll do outside of boxing.
Interesting fight is what Floyd brings,Pacquiao entertains me more, the later is what I prefer watching.
gard . . . Pacs legacy is not important?
62 ave . . . do you have any idea what a negotiation is? Both sides take a position and then they hash it out until they come to an agreement. Each fight and there negotiations is an entity all upon itself, it has nothing to do with previous fights, the NSAC or any other body. The $10 million per pound is unprecedented but PBF agreed . . . you cannot have it both ways
@jasper
Thats all you can come up with?
Here is the simple (not complicated) answer:
Mayweather CAN NOT make Pacquiao take the blood test,the
gaming board CAN.
Common guys, I am a fan of Pac I think he should take the test to clear all doubt about his name otherwise people will speculate whether he is clean or not. i know you guys think it is unfair that even though he has never tested with anything in the past that he should subjugate himself on the demands of another fighter . . . but life is not fair. Pac is a public figure and as such he will always be judged by the public. I think his legacy is a great reason why to take the test. Forget the money! Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle and the only way to put it back in is to take the test. By going to court and offering a million and one excuses it makes it seem like he has something to hide. Personally, I think he is clean but he has to, for his own sake, clear his name!
@Jasper – ohhh. How about you answer your question but the other way? WHY would Manny take the drug test? Ohhh yeah, i’m sure you’ll say 40 mil$ and to satisfy mayweather’s curiosity, nothing else. Then again, the answers I gave trumps yours. Whose answers are better.
Good article! I’ve been saying this all along but nobody wants to acknowledge me. The guy who wrote this article just stole a bunch of lines from my previous posts. The sad thing is that these writers go on the forums and bad mouth people with they’re phony internet personas. Then they still the idea’s that they are bashing and use them as they’re own. Thanks for stealing my ideas BOXING NEWS 24. Next time please ask
HAHAHA . . . Still no reason why not to take the test. Just a bunch of speculation!
Mayweathers dance card is empty – and he gets to go to court with his tail between his legs. PacMan moves ahead and makes millions more. FloydRoid gets too cute and PacMan wins.
FloydRoid is a dunce.
@ Jasper – how about this. Since pro drug test people are so concerned about the 40 mil$
option 1 – Manny takes 40mil$ fight. Agrees to baseless random 14 day test. He satisfies mayweather. Mayweather becomes the good guy in boxing by supposedly pushing for this new trend of random blood tests. Mayweather gains psychological advantage over pacquiao who currently holds the title. After march 13, then what? Number 1 and 2 welterweights already fought each other.
Now, if you were Manny, which option would you choose? 1 or 2?
Option 2 – pacquiao ditches mayweather for march 13. Picks respectable opponent. Books Dallas 40,000 seats. Make decent 10 mil$ for fight. Places mayweather in the corner without opponent. Mayweather loses ppv shares for march 13. Mayweather realizes pacquiao more marketable. Mayweather needs pacman to make money. Mayweather agrees to fight in fall without preconditions or else loses more credibility. Fight is bigger already from allthe controversy and 40 mil turns to 50 mils$
@Jasper
Theres a lot of reasons not to take test,but I’ll give one
“MAKE ME FLOYD,MAKE ME” Floyd did try and fail,he didn’t even have a belt in the first place.
But there is no reason to demand a blood test! First NASC testing is sufficient enough up to Floyds 40th fight.Second,
if floyd is really curious about Pacquiaos weight,then why
he fought a suddenly welterweight from lighteight JMM.
@jasper
Thats the point , theres no experts here, Pacquiao nor Mayweather nobody dictates what test is necessary.NSAC is the law in regards to boxing in Vegas.
Really no one can give a solid reason why not to take the drug test?! Amazing!
scooby . . . WEAK!!! is that the best you have LMFAO! We are not talking about a major procedure. We are talking a couple drops of blood. Something thing the body can replenish in a very short time frame. You really must have a better answer then that!
@Jasper – maybe you should scroll down my previous posts and understand.
Even doctors don’t recommend unnecesary tests if it’s not going to help at all in diagnosis. Do you get a CT scan of the chest everytime you get a cough just because somebody you know had cancer? I think not.
Manny did not refuse drug test. He refused IRRATIONAL drug tests that have no sgienific basis just because mayweather who suddenly became an expert said so. If you can give me a specific PED that will not be discovered by PacquiaoS generous offer which is frankly beyond normal testing already then I will believe you that pacquiao was the problem. Pacquiaos final offer
3 drug tests before 24 days and 1 drug test immediately post match in locker room. Unlimied urine test. Now give me a specific drug that you cannot detect with this and I will try to answer being in the medical field.
No matter what you all guys say. You’ll still be interested in seeing what will happen to pacman vs clottey and mayweather vs hatton’s brother/ deloya’s nephew fight. You’ll still be paying for their ppvS. Manny will still eventually make that 50 mil$. comeon admit it! Yes you will!! That’s wh you’re engaging now in the debate.
@gard . . . lol how can you contradict oneself in one sentence? lol . . . you said leave it to the experts . . . I agree 100%. The NSAC are not experts and that is what the whole debate is about. I still have not read one solid reason why not to take the test.
mr rich! ithink your rich in trashed talk as well as anonymous. both of you are great cheater next to your boxing idol. youll never accept the truth coz your narrow mind is under bad influence. your beleif is on a dirty clans tha convicted on drugs and crimes. all of you are looser on boxing coz you dont know and never know the reality. there is still a time and a way to change . think about that follow the light not the dark.
@ d rose
The whole Pacquiao being weakened was an excuse for losing to a over the hill Erik Morales. He claimed He was drained trying to make weight and that the blood took was unable to be replenished because he had to keep his weight down for the weigh in.
Are you with me so far?
Ok, does Manny have problem making weight now? No, he can even eat the morning of the fight which most fighters are unable to do. So please stop it with Manny being weaked by the blood test, its an excuse. Many boxers make excuse, Manny is no different.
Mr Rich, you really sound like an expert. The truth is unless you’re a juicer you really don’t know how PEDs affect you. Where’d you come up with that 18 hour window? Stop fooling yourself and others. Fact is PED users are always one step ahead of the testing. Nothing is full proof. The reason why Pacman refuses to take the tests is because he believes it weakens him. Kinda superstitious because everybody knows a tablespoon of blood will have no effect on you. But why do you think Jordan wears his North Carolina shorts everytime he plays ball and believes it made him successful. Pacman wants to win and entertain fans. If he doesn’t care about boxing, he’ll just take the money and run. And if he is truly a PED user, he’ll just keep it clean, lose the fight and take the money. You should be thankful that he wants to win and cares about boxing fans.
elloco….both fighters were tested negative on thier recent test. it wasn’t the first time that they were clean but everytime. in the future? you will never know.
BLAM….before you make any comments, please know your facts first. can you name one politician that you know that is crooked? you have any proof? or you’ve just heard about it?
elloco….i fell sorry for you man. you are not alone. a lot of mexican fans were disappointed when manny beat the mexican great! but unlike you, manny earned thier respect. i know it’s hard to accept but you have to deal with it and move on with your life.
Pacquiao is pimping all Pinoy suckers…
It’s a big if …if Pac was clean….big if..IF ..lol..
Pacquiao is your only treasure LMAO!
Do all those crooked filipino politicions have integrity? Of course not, and thats what Pacquiao aspires to be. Does Pacquiao have integrity and honour for cheating on his wife?
Your national treasure is a flawed man, not a god to bow down to.
All you filipinos should stop living and breathing off of Pac’s success. What are you going to do when he is gone? Because you wont have another sports hero ever again
Honor, integrity, respect mean something to us poor Filipinos. We do not have much but we are grateful for what we do have.
Pacquiao is our national treasure, hero. I hope Americans and their media understand this after their attempt to destroy the man
@ 62nd ave
your probably a huge fan of bonds, magwire, and sosa. you probably think even if they did cheat it was fun to watch. who cares about all the other guys in history that didnt cheat, lots of homeruns was good for the sport.
@jasper
The point of the debate is not “when to have random blood test”but rather,the testing of this sort is really necessary
and effective.The experts should be the ones debating this matter.As of now NSAC testing is sufficient,they are the one hosting these big fights,and besides they know more than us what is really happening behind closed doors.Each state have their own guidelines,so one fighter don’t agree
with the state do’s and don’ts he/she have a choice to fight
in their friendly state.(looks a little shady isn’t it?)
@ nestor
“idont” isnt a real word either
>mr rich< idont think there is a word prefectly. correction! its perfectly…….. you got it
@ nestor
you just destroyed a prefectly good proverb lol
yes, pacman is clean base on the latest test commissioned by nsac he is very clean. this result is abig uppercut punch to the people who says that pacman is on peds. and to the people who still saying that pacman is on drugs you are still on bad influence created by mayweather clans. and for the reporters writers or network backing up mayweathers, here is what i can say……… BIRDS ON THE SAME FEATHERS FLOCKS TOGETHER!!!
LEX FUGITIVE!
your all over the site,why dont you move on,manny will fight another boxer,i just cant help to notice that you cant stop yapping and crying to every post made here!
do you have a ATTENTION DEFICIENCY SYNDROME?
very well said scoby,but in the eyes of a hollow head individual,what they hear is what they believe!
Don’t confuse yourself for Manny not wanting any drug test to Manny not wanting an IRRATIONAL blood test that has absolutely no scientific basis. Not because Floyd wanted the new standard makes FLoyd the expert is what they are saying. Floyd pretended to take the HiGh road in drug testing but ended up blowing over his face. He’s the bad guy… He can never be the good guy…
Obviously, the ones who have been suspecting that manny is juicing are the ones who don’t have any clue about steroids, epo, hgh. I would like to believe at least that as being in the medical field, I know more about these drugs than mayweather, MD.
EPO – stimulates red cell formation. If you have a blood count concentration of 36% that suddenly jumps to >50% after then you’re suspected of using EPO. That is why you have a pre fight and immediately post fight blood test which manny agrees to.
HGH – growth hormone. USADA has never caught anybody with a random blood test as the human body produces its own GH. ADA has funded a urine test which uses nanotechnology to be more sensitive. So why is Floyd pushing a random test that has not caught HGH on anybody?
Steroids- well steroids are easy to detect and can be found on urine. Mann agrees to unlimited random urine test! Unlimited! And he tested negative recently.
Now you ask yourself why did NAC ask for a random urine test last week from both fighters and not a blood test? Because URINE TEST is the standard!
Now if you can logically dispute only with facts the above, go ahead…
@ Yoda
the force is definately not strong in you
1. what kind of drug made MANNY PAC great but BOBBY PAC not?
2. what kind of drug made PAC right hand BIG as his left?
Give credit to where it is due.
What if Manny’s clean (after taking the drug test)???
Will Fraud fight him still? or again make another excuse???
here’s my take. . . remember before that (i can’t remember exactly which mexican fighter between morales or marquez but it was once reported that the other mexican who previously fought pacquiao said that in order to defeat pac or give him difficulty is by making pac bleed. . .
isn’t it ironic that floyd also uses psychological advantage over an opponent by using pain killer on his hands and pac’s refusal of the blood test is because of psychological effects.
this tells you a lot that boxing really is a psychological sport. . .
Why would anyone walk away from $40 million just because of a simple blood test?
OMG
if mayweather never fights pacman ppl will always be like what if man. LOL if they come back in their 40′s i ain’t watching it.
BOXERS loose more blood DURING rounds than whats required for this test??????????????????????
If ifs and ands
were pots and pans
there would be no need for tinkers!
Mr Rich,
Floyd Mayweather Jr. can only fool those who want to be convinced that he’s an upstanding and honest great fighter.
this whole drug testing is misleading!!!! peolpe…..no one is refusing any drug testing!!!pacquiao agreed to random urine.
even in the olympics, they prefer urine analysis for doping. ask floyd and oscar, they know.
maybe…just maybe, floyd did his homework. maybe he knows manny is not comfortable drawing his blood. it’s not a matter of level playing field. it’s turning manny off balance.
It is truly amusing to note that some people will reason out and justify to high heaven that dignity, honor and principle will be a great bargain for $40 million and turning down this one in a lifetime chance is a pure foolishness second to none.
But on the other hand I am deeply honored and greatly astounded by the glaring fact that there is still a human being who still considers dignity, honor and principle as priceless and strongly believe that the same will never be within the commerce of men nor be a subject of negotiation or mediation as the case may be.
The purist of heart belongs to the rightheous. The most devilish thoughts come from the dirtiest mind and irresponsibly expressed through the most condemned lips of “someone” pretending to be a “man”.
Floyd must be the smartest guy on the planet!!! lol! He demands random drug testing because he is can read pac’s mind and he knows that he will never take them in order to duck a fight that he proposed in the first place. I have yet to hear one solid argument against random testing
gard . . . no surprise who would take anything if they are not in training. the point of the debate is to have random test during training . . . this is the time when someone would take PEDs. remember SSM passed his drug testing for oscar as well. Later we find out that he was (knowingly or unknowingly) taking EPO.
wowzabean . . . perception becomes reality! I did not say that pac was guilty of anything but just the fact that we and thousands of others are debating that fact can only hurt his reputation. Unfortunately, once the genie is out the bottle it hard to put back in. As a huge fan of PAC I must say I have yet to hear one solid reason for him not to take the test. A lot of reasons do not make one good one.
Mayweather and Pacquiao both negative on the NSAC test.
Those specimens taken few weeks ago.NOW ITS CONFIRMED WHO BLOW AWAY THE FIGHT.
Teddy Atlas will hang his head in shame.
Disgustinf of him to mention emails that he has not even seen
Talk about throwing more gas on the ashes Dezzie Lightbulb…if that is your real name, try to make better use of your time.
TB
I’m with you. If Pac Man is clean then take the test and prove everyone wrong.
Take the test then even if he doesnt fight floyd show the fans, take the test right now.
Manny should’ve requested a ban on the substance Xylocaine or similar drugs from the start, to level the playing field. If May wanted to play the drug card, Manny should’ve went this route.
Bottom line is the man ain’t clean. If Pac Man was clean he would have taken the blood test and not turned down 40 million. Now he’s gonna fight for less money against a very dangerous unknown opponent. That really makes dollarz and cents if you are “clean”. No one turns away 40 million.
Its true Roach has a lot to do with Manny’s success. Part of that is not allowing Manny in the ring with someone like Floyd Mayweather.
Only problem with the newest lie from team manny that he doesn’t want to be pushed around is that Manny demanded the weight, ring size, glove size, purse split, special foreign marketer, and a new $10 million penalty. While all Floyd wanted was RANDOM drug testing. Getting all those things is getting pushed around by Floyd??? The blood testing was in the initial proposal but it was never a problem until Floyd agreed to everything else Manny wanted. And Manny scheduled a fight with Hatton just 24 days after giving blood. Do Philipino’s really get new superstitions out of no where? It wasn’t a fear 9 months ago but now it is??? Manny hasn’t gave one reason that is even close to beliavable as to why he won’t have random tests.
very good article, makes a lot of sense
@RICH. Manny is not fighting clottey because clottey has a fan base. Clottey is actually a high risk fight given his size which all the more gives more credit to pacquiao. Sure, mayweather can choose to fight fatter Ricky hatton which I doubt he will or maybe Oscar delahoya part deux. He might get a cut of the ppv share on march 13 but none of those will add to his credibility.
And I already answered your points on the drug testing.
Anyhow, you have to admit Arum got people talking a lot when the fight fell apart. It’S gonna be bigger when this actually happens. They could still get 50-50 but most likely drug testing will be taken out of the negotiations as pbf has already learned his lesson of not trying to pull pacmanS strings when it is clear that he is only the challenger and ranked 2nd.
Finally, an article about how people should be seeing the positive effects of Roach on Pacquiao, and not any steroid crap. Pacquiao and Roach are the perfect team. A trainer with the perfect plan, and a damn good fighter who follows the plan. All the steroids in the world wouldn’t give Roach the ability to predict when Pacman’s opponents will go down. It’s because Roach is the man. He’s got Pacquiao’s opponents figured out.
That’s why they choose their opponents so well. That’s part of the genius. You fight a good opponent who you know how to beat. It maintains your credibility, and at the same time you still win. That’s why they didn’t go over their heads by choosing Foreman. He’s simply too big.
I truly believe:
1.the blood test is a mind game on Mayweather’ side.
2.on the other hand, Manny is not because the blood test can weaken him, but nothing more than is a Dignity!
Money can buy lots of things but can’t buy Dignity. Money can lose Dignity if Pac takes the blood test required by Mayweather. And I agree with Manny.
Floyd did not fight Pacquiao because if he did he would be completely destroyed ruining floyd’d record and above all he will never make any money in his next fight!!All floyd care is money! He wanted to be always known as the Money but no way a fighter!!
There is no point in Michael Moorer’s point. This is what some PEDs are there for, to help athletes through training. PEDs help athletes recover quickly and allow them to put in more training sessions than what they normally would (and gaining more muscles in the process).
“Pacquiao`s hunger for success” is a contradiction when this guy walks away from $40 million just because of a simple blood test.
It was a simple contract negotiation, nobody was being pushed around – any other fighter would have taken that test with no problems. Secondly, giving a small blood sample cannot weaken a fighter, in any case Mayweather would have been experiencing the same problem. Thirdly, your point about poker is just gibberish.
You are not the only “helpless romantic” Dezzie Lightbulb. This is a very big problem for Pacquiao fans. If they can take a blood test for anything, they can’t understand how this super hero of theirs (Manny Pacquiao) walked away from this fight just because of a simple blood test.
Coward floyd fans, Pacquiao agreed to three tests where the last test is to be made right after the fight itself. Can you brain assimilate this?
Pacquiao don’t need floyd, let floyd, espn and atlas go to hell.
IF! If my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle.
Let me ask everybody this. Would you rather pay to prove your innocence or get paid doing it? Think it through.
Make an attempt to not let your love of Manny or hatred of Floyd influence your decision.
Me, I would rather get paid. Show me a man who would rather pay and I’ll show you a man that has something to hide.
I really dont get it. Isnt the Blood test immediately after the fight the best time to take of all the tests asked / demanded by Floyd?
I really have to say that Floyd is very stupid not to consider this.
Or he really just doesnt wanna fight Pacquiao.
Any man on the earth who would choose to pay to prove his innocence rather than get paid doing it HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE, PERIOD.
Don’t know about any of you but I choose to get paid.
Everyone ask yourselves the same question. My guess is you will come out with the same answer 10 out of 10 times.
PEACE.
give it arrest manny has move on. the what if will only be answered by mayweathers jr. and sr.
WHAT IF THEY TO ONLY TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK OF PAQ MAN WITH NO BS AND EGO….. We can start by this question…
Check this out… People is not about Drug test because both parties agreed with it. The issue is when?
1. Do you people know how drug work in our body? How long it stay?
2. Do you know what drugs are tested? list of drug?
3. Do you know the type of necessary needed for particular drugs?
W/C test do you think is better, if you don’t know anything? 14 day before the fight or just right after the fight?
If you’re a medical professional and knows something about drug testing w/c is better? 14 day before the fight or just right after the fight?
If you’re real intention is to check for drugs so you can duck your opponent if his guilty then so be it, 14 day blood test is necessary. If you want a $40m you’ll agree a test right after the fight and just demand a $10 ++ if your opponent is found guilty with PED.
14days to recover and beat up the guy who has insulted you for £40m!!!!!!!
yes please!!!!!
manny has the welterweight belt from cotto, manny even let floyd cut in line to let floyd try to take the belt away,a brave fighter would say you got my belt I gave up, now I coming to take it back ,not floyd he say I fight you if you take a blood test to have a even playing field, Kentucky fry floyd
peaple no matter how many times you post your ideas on this matter it wnt do anything you cant convince evryone to believe in what you believe thats for sure. If you believe mayweather is a ducker then be it or if you believe Pac is on PEDS thats fine juust dont force your ideas on other people. All spammers here for sure are envious, hater, nutthugers etc. No matter what you throw to these 2 boxers they wont know about it unless you say it in their FACE, if you do, your comment will make sense. If not sit back, relax and watch youtube.
but i have to admit i enjoy reading comments makes me LOL.
@ wowzabean
haha… top man, thanx for the advice, although im not a huge drinker anyway
TO Dezzie Lightbulb,
How about a short comment on an earlier reply shown below.
Earlvin Cruz says:
January 15, 2010 at 3:56 pm
WOULD YOU HAVE TAKEN THE TEST?
MANNY PACQUIAO ANALOGY
Once there were two lawyers.
Lawyer #1 was an American citizen. He was born to a prominent family of lawyers. His father was a lawyer. His two uncles were lawyers. His father and one of his uncles were law professors at Harvard School of Law. He, himself, graduated from Harvard School of Law.
At a young age, Lawyer #1 was thought everything about the law. He was groomed to become the best lawyer in the family. He eventually did. He became a very good defense lawyer. He never lost a case. He was very smart. Sometimes, though, he was accused of only taking cases that were winnable.
Then, there’s Lawyer #2. He was not an American citizen. He was born in a third world country. None of his family members ever graduated from college. As a young man, he worked selling food on the street to survive. Nothing was given easily. Everything was hard earned. He managed to finished college through hard work and perseverance. Even though he did not graduate from a very good school, he eventually passed the bar exam and became a lawyer in his country. He was not the best lawyer. He lost some of his first cases early in his career.
After a few years, Lawyer #2 managed to go to the United States to practice law. He passed the entire bar exam given by the American Bar Association (ABA). He became a popular lawyer in the United States. Because of this, he also became popular around the world. He was even featured on the cover of Time magazine.
The time came when Lawyer #1 and Lawyer #2 applied for the same position at the biggest law firm in the world. The salary would have given them the highest salary they would have ever received in their careers. There was only one position available, and both of them had to go through a very intensive interview at the same time to see who was going to be hired. For the interview, they only needed to bring their diploma and the proof that they had passed the American Bar Association (ABA) exam.
Before the big day, before the big interview, and without any valid evidence, Lawyer #1 accused Lawyer #2 of cheating his way to pass the ABA exam. He said that it was impossible that Lawyer #2 could have passed the bar exam without cheating because he thought that Lawyer #2 was not good enough. He thought that Lawyer #2 did not even go to very good school to pass the ABA exam. He was sure Lawyer #2 cheated. For this, he demanded for Lawyer #2 to take the bar exam again. He did not want to be interviewed at the same time with Lawyer #2 unless Lawyer #2 took the test again.
The big law firm that the two were trying to get a job did not care. The request by Lawyer #1 was unprecedented. Never, in their company’s history, did they request any applicant to take the bar exam again, much more that the request came from another applicant. The owners of the law firm thought that Lawyer #2 passed the bar exam fair and square. They did not require him to take any further tests.
Now, if you were Lawyer #2, would you have taken the bar exam again just to prove that you passed it fair and square the first time? Of course not! Why would you? You passed the bar exam already. Why would you listen to someone irrelevant? Why would you take the bar exam again just because, without evidence, someone accused you of cheating.
Hopefully now you understand why Pacquiao did not take the test!
-Earlvin Cruz
The WHAT IF’s in this article seems kinder to Manny,but fellows Manny is singled-out in here.People that really care
boxing should lobby for blood testing,all across the board.
Why just test fighters because they are performing great.
There are fighters that use banned substances,but it didn’t
help them to become great fighters,and still they endangered
themselves and others in the ring.
So address your concerns to your states gaming board.
@ wowzabean
cool.
i truely think that somebody from nsac should have at least released a statement stating what their stance is on this and if they have plans to change ther system or if they feel there is no need to. Maybe it happened but i didnt see it.
Think i need to get some sleep now….. got a hot date and if im too tired im probably gonna be needing peds myself . anyone know where i can get some viagra? lol
People are just discussing PED, HGH which is not yet proven for Pacman, how about if we can discuss Xylocaine that Mayweather inject for his brittle hands… now, is that word if also? is Mayweather inject Xylocaine for his hands? is that a fact or fiction or just accussing him? that is a FACT!!! if Mayweather is clean and natural fighter, why he need to inject Xylocaine in his hands with this performance drugs for his hands.. it is on youtube… HUH!! no matter what you will say, it is enhancement drugs to improve his brittle hands.. if i where Pacman, i will agree on 14 days blood testing cut-off period and random urine test as long as NSAC will make sure that Mayweather will not inject Xylocaine in his hands 30 days before the fight. Is Mayweather will agree? i don’t think so… Xylocaine is enhancement drugs for his hands or else, if he will not inject this to his hands, what he will do for the 12 whole rounds is only to run and dance, he cannot throw punches and for sure, it is a lost for him… Now who is the real cheater? the one who inject Xylocaine in his hands(Mayweather). Why GBP/Schaefer don’t tell this before? because they want advantage to Pacman, boxing fans knows their dirty tricks and Mosley is GBP Boxer who is a “Real Cheater”…
@ wowzabean
just wondered what your opinion is on random drug testing up to say a week before the fight? i know you are against mayweather asking for it against pac, but in general would you agree that it should be changed? for all fighters?
No, he just wasn’t going to do it random. That should be rining alarms, but it isn’t with Manny’s fans.
Mayweather would also be tested, so Manny would not be the most tested.
I feel this comes down to most people get rubbed the wrong way by Mayweather’s personality, and Manny is a quiet, nice guy. But this does not mean Floyd is wrong by default.
I try to view this from the facts, not opinion. And the fact is Mayweather asked for a legitimate test. What if Mayweather had of asked for the $10 million per pound thing? People would have said it was ridiculous.
I think Manny could demand anything he wanted and people would back him on it, because he is a nice guy.
too many people bringing up the banned pain killer bullsit….. it is legal….. let that one go….its not legal in other states but mayweather fights in vegas…. all the big fights are in vegas so you cant blame mayweather for that.
A lot of guys train extremely hard. Manny Pacquiao is not the only one. I’m not buying that.
It sure seems to me that it would have been much better to have been the bigger and better man and get “pushed around” by Floyd Mayweather by taking the tests and going on about your business. I’m yet to hear a legitimate reason from the Pacquiao camp. He prided himself on his image of character and moral integrity… he didn’t uphold that by dodging the test.
What if NSAC BANNED the pain killer FMJ injects in his hand like the other 49 states that say the injected pain killers give boxers an unfair advantage? If the NSAC starts to implement blood test then they will have to ban the pain killer FMJ is using as well. Than where would FMJ box?
@ wowzabean
one more thing…..fighting with 8 oz gloves instead of 10 oz gloves when you have brittle hands is quite a big thing to give away….so you cant say mayweather did try to make the fight……… even if they took blood tests up to a week before the fight it should be ok…… Pacquiao said he felt bad for 3 days after the test partly becasue he was drained trying to make weight. Now however he has no trouble making weight so there shouldnt be any problem……in the week before the fight he would have plenty of time regenerate that blood and training is very light in the final week anyway. so its not all mayweathers fault as far as im concerned…i see both sides
There is several drugs that can be used and asking for 24Days is a smart move if the guy is taking EPO.
EPO can change an good boxer that gas in the last round to a boxer machine that goes till the end of the fight without feeling tired
EPO can help you sustain higher level of training, like Pacman training actually is just not possible with getting your right diet.
Running from a 30Millions dollars payday, for just not accepting a 14Days instead of of a 24 days, is just like saying, look guy what we take we need these 3 weeks to pass the tests
the deal never asked to take blood the day before like PAcman suggest, and the rules where the same from the beginning
here is an article from the mouth of the horse, Victor Conte
“Conte believes that blood testing is vital in this instance. But not for the reason everyone thinks.
He emailed Maxboxing,:’In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone. Measuring hematocrit levels (percentage of red blood cells to total whole blood volume) is very important. For example, even without a positive urine test for EPO, cyclists are temporarily suspended for two weeks if their hematocrit is greater than 50%. An elevated hematocrit can provide a significant advantage to a fighter by enhancing oxygen uptake and utilization. This would benefit a fighter in training and especially during the later rounds of a fight.”
Some observers have been suspicious of Pacquiao’s recent dominance as he has moved up in weight. ’the Pac Man’, who won his first world title as a flyweight( 112-pounds), has knocked out the trio of Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and, most recently, Miguel Cotto, in succession. Leading some to believe that he is ’juicing’- meaning he is on a form of steroids or HGH( human growth hormone). But Conte believes that a blood test must be adminstered for the reason stated up above in his email.
“One, I think that increasing hematocrit levels, whether it’s by traditional blood-doping or the use of EPO, is of greater benefit to a boxer than the use of growth-hormone,” he explained.”So growth-hormone is more of an anti-catobolic agent that may help to accelerate the healing of the tissue repair process. But growth-hormone is not anabolic as an anabolic steroid. It’s an anti-catabolic agent and I believe that you don’t get a very big bang for your buck. I’m not a huge fan of growth-hormone. I don’t think it’s tremendously beneficial performance enhancing substance.
“EPO, though, in terms of boxing, is absolutely huge, both in training and as well as in a fight, especially during the later rounds.”
Conte does have experience in boxing, having worked with Andre Ward and Eddie Chambers, recently, and back in 2003, during the heyday of BALCO, assisted with Shane Mosley in his usage of illegal P.E.D’s in his rematch with Oscar De La Hoya. When asked if Mosley was on EPO for that fight, Conte answered,”Yes, he was.”
Another factor that is essential is that the tests need to be random in nature.
“Otherwise,” he explains,”it’s what they call ’announced testing’ and I’ve historically called that ’I.Q. testing’. So to apply that to other sports, it would be like showing up to training camp for Major League Baseball and they test you. That’s announced testing. You have to be pretty dumb to show up at training camp or at ’announced testing’ and test positive. The clearance time of most of these drugs that are out there are well known.”
He also says that for these substances to be utilized at their maximum efficiency, they must be properly cycled and be out of your system by the time competition begins.
“Creams, transdurmals, clear the fastest. Orals, would be next. Water-based drugs- including testosterone
- would be next, then the oil-based. So some of these can clear in a matter of hours and days,” explained Conte.”So if you know when you’re going to be tested a week out, you go off the use of oral testosterone, for example, you’re going to test negative. So that is really an issue.”
Accoring to him,”Traditional testing in boxing, it’s basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight.”
The Mayweather camp and Golden Boy Promotions, has insisted- against Bob Arum’s wishes- on employing USADA( the United States Anti-Doping Agency) and their methods to monitor both boxers leading into the fight( which is now in serious jeopardy). But USADA’s testing is hardly foolproof, as two of Conte’s most famous clients, Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery, avoided detection for years from this organization.
“There’s lots of loopholes. They call that the ’gold standard testing’. I’ve said this as far back as 2004, that there are huge loopholes that you can drive an equivelant of a Mack Truck through. the USADA testing is certainly better than what is used in professional sports but it’s still relatively easy to beat the test,” states Conte, who was also noted for working with baseball slugger Barry Bonds, during his assault on the record book.” Now, I don’t know in the case of this fight, but the reason is because you’re allowed two missed tests and they can’t come back the next day because you have to be allowed a hearing to provide your reasonable explanation or the ’exceptional circumstance’ as they call it. So they’ll just come back the next day and of course none of this is transparent. It’s like being up to hit in baseball where you get two strikes and then you smack it out of the park and hit a home run. So it’s still relatively easy to beat USADA testing and in this particular case, I do believe you need to have random, unannounced testing. To just say,’I’ll be tested on this date’, there’s all sorts of things you can do with announced testing, you can’t do with unannounced testing.”"
@ wowzabean
point taken…. i agree with you on a few things.
somewhere along the way with so many posts going on the the arguments become blurred…… if you read my earlier posts you will see that im not accusing pacquiao of taking peds….. i was just pointing out how quick peds can be out of your system and that blood testing after the fight is usless.
on the money situation, pacquiao is indeed wealthy and can retire in the filipines any time he wants. mayweather is also rich (forget the tax situation, its paid lol). they dont need eachother to make money….. mayweather doesnt need paquiao and visa versa.
on the whole if i was accused of stealing by a co worker of stealiing…. i would simply prove i was innocent and then beat that ass down…..but thats just me lol
Ken Porter, who helped train Pacquiao for Cotto, said he is not surprised the fight did not happen yet, and said Manny sustained injuries from his fight with Cotto (he rode with him for 4 hours after the fight), and probably wants more time to heal and train for someone like Mayweather. I mean this is a guy who helped train Pacquiao! Does it STILL sound like it was Mayweather that walked away?
How can anyone think that Mayweather was pushing Manny around? Do you people read ALL the facts? Mayweather agreed to Manny’s demands for glove size, ring, and that absurd $10 million per pound over 147. These facts seem to escape people when they write articles like this. Mayweather has asked for one thing… assurance that both fighters are clean for the biggest fight of their career. And this is pushing poor little Manny around?! I am not a fan of either fighter, so I guess I can see this for what it is. I think most others are clouded over their loyalty for their favorite fighter.What if MAyweather had of objected to 8oz gloves because they make his hands feel funny. Would that be okay? Nope. So why defend poor little Manny over hiding under the bed at the idea of giving a few tablespoons of blood, without “preparing” for it?
@ scooby
plus clottey just isnt that exciting…. he is solid as a rock but thats about all he has to offer….i cant see many die hard clottey fans buying tickets.
Mayweather could fight a washed up ricky hatton in the UK and probably fill 50 or 60 thousand seats….. 20 thousand hatton fans flew to vegas to support him.
im not so sure clotty could manage that.
Who will benefit the failed Mega-fight?
Mosley and Berto.
before, was on 3 people who’s going to watch
now, it will be 300,000 to 1 million
promoter says pssssssssssssssss.
be quite.
Pacquiao is clean.theres no what ifs about it.has he ever failed any tests? nope floyds just a punk looking for an excuse for when he got knocked out like he knew he would if he stepped in the ring with pacquiao.its a preemptive excuse.
@ scooby
dont count your chickens dude. dont assume too much. im not too sure about this whole Dallas situation…….it might be a great move for Pacquiao and then again it might not be. we’ll know more after the fight about the ppv numbers….. if Mayweather pics a decent apponent we will see who will be ppv king…… no doubt Manny is gonna make big numbers…. but Floyd has always made big numbers. and against the same apponents Mayweather has earned more……. Pacquiao is on a roll at the moment and exciting to watch so he gonna get good numbers….. but if the numbers are similar then no way i see mayweather accepting 40 percent
@ MR RICH
Like I said again… Why take 40 mil$ When you can take 60 mil$ and take the bigger cut. Arum booked 40,000 seater Dallas and Clottey to further build up Manny’s bargaining power while Mayweather is left out in the cold without a dancing partner. He’ll be perceived a ducker unless he fights a reasonable boxer thereby lowering his PPV buys further.
Mayweather fully knows who gets the PPVs rule the boxing world.
He’ll be begging Pacman for a big money fight and it ain’t gonna ba 50-50 split.
@ scooby
you are right, its a pile of bull lol
@ wowzabean
if i grow up in an impoverished country you know what id do? id earn $40 million for one fight. makes sense
Shame on GBP for supporting “Olympic style blood testing” for boxing and not demanding it for their upcoming Mosley-Berto fight.
@Anonymous.. again let us only deal with facts and reality and reason.
1. Arum Agreed to 24 days
2. Schaefer agreed to 14 days (because 24 days left a lot of loophole for juicing up..14 days didn’t…hmmm)
3. There are claims that a certain mysterious PED/Steroid could be cleared let’s say after 10 days and cannot be completely detected after the fight if taken more than 10 days.
So 24 days minus 10 days would leave 14 days that steroids could still be used. But then, in the medical world, you know that steroids could not be abruptly discontinued or you risk having Steroid Withdrawal and your adrenal glands will fail for receiving high doses of exogenous steroids. it needs at least 7 days of reducing dose.
14 days – 7 days would leave 7 days of high dose steroids. I am not really sure how much muscle mass you can gain in 7 days of steroids.
Does this all make sense to you? NAHHH… It’s a pile of bull…..
If Pac is using PED.. and knocks everyone out, does that mean that PEDs only work for him?
How about the others?
Mr. Rich that comment was awesome LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Youre right, there is only one way, test babaaayy!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
@MR RICH. It was all about getting the best deal. To give you a little bit of insight. Manny does not involve himself in making fight decisions. He has always maintained “I just fight, My promoter makes the fights!” This was even after the Cotto bout when asked if he likes to fight mayweather.
Manny unfortunately learned a lesson after making a bad move by trying to negotiate by himself in the past, ended up signing with GBP while in contract with Arum. Since that major blunder, he’s never troubled himself with picking opponents or deciding the contracts. Arum decides his fights. Reason why he never personally said anything to media about fighting mayweather. Everything is through Arum.
Manny is a Fighter. Roach is a Coach. Arum is a businessman and the fight maker. That’s the way it goes. that’s the way it has always been since and it has worked for them.
If Arum believed it was the best manny could do ($ 40 mil), he could have easily gotten manny to sign the contract. But it is in manny’s best interest not to agree to mayweather’s demand. Schaefer even thought manny did not know about the 14 day offer that Arum immediately threw out.
Arum is going for the bigger cut. Why take 40 mil when you can take 60? Mayweather’s stock is already going down since he does not have a viable fight for march 13 and is perceived to be a ducker while manny will continue to fight bigger guys.
Mayweather will be begging for a fight and Arum will be offering him 60-40.. in favor of manny.
And that’s the way it goes….
@ scooby
Most athletes train and compete all year. Boxers have 2 or 3 fights a year….. big difference.
The author of this article is correct…Pac has had a natual maturation through the years…I myself have gained 35 pounds of muscle without any PED’s. I have been going to the gym for twelve years straight. Mayweather knows he will lose the fight so he is alredy coming up with excuses…the same way Mayweather SR. did after Pac destroyed Hatton. Mayweather is an over rated fighter that has met the greats after their prime. He has always dodged the best of his time. What truly saddens me is that he is the most borning fighter I have ever seen. He should Mosley to see if he can take someone that is a Champ. Pac will destroy Mayweather and he knows it. Mayweather needs to get rid of the ignorant management team and advisors. He has talent…tremendous talent..he just has been mis guided and his priorities lie outside of the ring. Pac is clean…he will not be intimidated…and I am glad he is sticking to his principles…mayweather needs Pac more then Pac needs Mayweather.
good read
good read!
This article is “whacked” (in a good way), I thought I was reading a Cinderella book or something. I used to not like Pacman but WHAT IF you’re right? Good Show.
@MR RICH again. Contrary to your belief, you cannot discontinue steroids abruptly as discontinuing them will cause Withdrawal symptoms and will give you the opposite effect. READ UP ON IT! “Steroid Withdrawal.” Athletes who are dependent on steroids for performance do not just discontinue it prior to their fight.
Man… think about it. When they do finally fight… if pac wins in spectacular fashion by knockout. I could just hear emanuel stewart and the rest of the hbo crew and seemingly the rest of the planet to follow suit in bowing to the king and giving manny the sole moniker of G.O.A.T.
WHAT IFS Floyd never had the balls but he has the nuts?
@Mr. Rich
My prediction: improved drug testing makes its way to the commission and we see improved urinalysis, blood, and/or saliva testing.
Do you really know what drugs Mayweather was hoping to find in the blood specifically that would not show up with good urinalysis?
That leads me to another point. Mayweather, if he was REALLY interested in a fair, clean fight, would have looked to other testing facilities who have far more advanced urinalysis testing like CeresNano (http://www.ceresnano.com/) and not worried about “blood” testing.
Makes you wonder if he wsa trying to get under Manny’s skin a little bit (pun intended.)
??
…ryan
Surely it’s not bloodtest now, he will be the first to flipflop for another chance for a 40 M fight.
Wotif he is 40M richer? He can still be the Moneyman…but now he will beg Pac for the fight.
Wotif Mayweather is not a duck? He could’ve been 40M richer.
Wotif Mayweather is not chicken? then he is a duck.
@ MR RICH.
Who said that Pacman will not make that fight eventually with mayweather? Why take 40 mill$ when you can take 60 Mill$? Mayweather’s stock will continue to go down if he doesn’t fight anybody worth watching and Pacman will cont to fight others like mosley… Once Floyd begs for that money fight… Pacman will offer him (60-40)..40 for Floyd of course
Again refer to ROACH’s words…
http://www.sportingnews.com/boxing/article/2010-01-15/pacquiaos-trainer-roach-mayweather-afraid-get-loss-on-his-record
i have no clue what your talking about, whats happening with this site?
@ MR RICH,
Just a question? how many has the Anti Doping Agency Caught in the Olympics using HGH with their Random Blood test method? …… “ZERO!”
IF the ADA has not caught anybody with their test? What makes Floyd Mayweather think this is the best way to test for HGH?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/321178-olympic-tests-have-never-detected-hgh-in-an-athlete-usada-backs-urine
He should have done his homework first before he started talking. Now, who’s a fool…..
What if Mosley had been check for Roids,the Clear, Epo in all his fights would he have won a welter weight Title or been fighting after 35years old?
This is an article that allows readers to think objectively.
I give all my respect to this writer who elevates his writing style above the mediocre ones I used to see in this website.
@ Ryan Dunn
if i felt someone had insulted me and my country i would want to fight them more and make a cool $40 million in the process
Mayweather’s now is in hotwater!
@ Ryan Dunn
you assume too much. im simply pointing out that if Pacquiao wins his case against Mayweather in a court of law it doesnt mean he is innocent? you get me? If he took the random blood tests and then beat Mayweathers ass and tests come back negative that would prove more.
@Mr. Rich
Also, have a good hard look at Manny’s weigh-ins over the past five years.
http://www.liftingfaces.com/uploads/mannys_weight.jpg
Tell me what you see. Tell me what the pattern here is. Tell me what the trend has been lately. Tell me if you think he is a little guy who takes steroids to get the strength and stamina he needs to win.
Give me your analysis of that diagram, and the logic behind Mayweather Sr. (the originator of this whole bandwagon) saying there’s no way Manny can be so strong at such a high weight class (after he KTFO’d Hatton, who was trained by….. Mayweather Sr.).
…ryan
http://www.sportingnews.com/boxing/article/2010-01-15/pacquiaos-trainer-roach-mayweather-afraid-get-loss-on-his-record
Ohh… and refer to above news. Roach still believes that pacman-mayweather fight is still going to happen when mayweather stops crying like a little girl or when mayweather goes bankrupt…whichever comes first….
@Mr. Rich
Your OJ analogy assumes Manny has some sort of bloody knife and bloody gloves and white Ford Bronco with blood in it.
I see no evidence of anything incriminating Manny other than his superiority to his opponents. He has been coming into the ring between 145 and 150 for several years now, and never tested positive for any drug of any kind.
All he is saying is that if you want to change the drug and medicine testing rules, do it with the boxing commission, not in our contract. And on top of that, don’t smear my name in the process of asking for the tests.
If I pointed you out on the street to a cop and said, “That guy looks like he killed my grandmother!” would you be happy if the cops took you downtown and tried to get the truth out of you?
Arum seemed to reveal the most when he said that his mistake was ever negotiating the testing to begin with. He shouldn’t have agreed to it in the first place. Once he got down the path, everything after that was backpedaling. I don’t believe Manny ever wanted to fight Floyd once he found out that Team Mayweather had insulted him and his country.
Hopefully they can set aside these differences and come back to the table for a good, CLEAN, Fall fight.
…ryan
Nice try Mr Lightbulb! You covered the lightbulb with a white cloth on purpose to dimmer the light a little bit to smokescreen your real identity/motive. It may work to some people but not for me though because I read not purely horizontally but on all angles and this article is artistically done but the ultimate motive is apparent -to create “doubts” and debase Manny Pacquiao’s boxing ability.
@ MR RICH! AHA! Just proves you absolutely have no idea about PEDS, steroids. And people are jumping into this PEDS thing like you because they absolutely have no idea of what they are talking about. You claim that you can pump up on steroids/PEDS then discontinue it and you would still have the effect upto weeks after?
Contrary to your belief and many others likely is that you cannot discontinue steroids abruptly. You have WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS from it and will give you the exact opposite effects! Why would an athlete who has grown dependent on anabolic drugs discontinue?
refer to medical website so you’ll be more informed
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=52945
what if may weather were brave enough to fight manny.
what if people were conscious and believed on nevadas(keith keizer) test.
The manny vs floyd fight would be on and all the fans wouldnt be upset today.
Hahaha….people going on about how Pacquiao was drained for the Morales fight make me laugh……Morales was drained for all 3 fights and at the end of his career……Roach knew he wouldnt be able to make weight for the 2nd fight because he already lost 6 months earlier to a guy after coming in 3 pounds overweight. Roach made a point of putting a stiff financial penalty for being over weight. So Morales drainded himself……check out the weigh in if you dont beleive me….have a good look at how drained Morales was. Morales still gave him a hard fight until he got knocked out due to exaustion. Yet somehow Pacfans consider this a great victory.
Pacquiao is clean, no ifs or buts and it will be proven in a court of law not in the court of public opinion.
After reading this forums comments, it shows how arrogant and ignorant the mayweather fans are. Blinded by their false prophet mayweather. Just ask yourself who in boxing history evaded so many great fighters? Answer: Mayweather!
Daisy Lightbulb—Excellent analysis.
Earlvin Cruz—Excellent analogy.
Pacquiao fans — Your on the right track.
Mayweather fans — Your lost.
WHAT IFS is a very cumbersome question. What ifs, if your wife has a relation with your neighbor next door. What ifs if your boss is setting you up. What ifs if, your son is plotting to kill you. You can talk about this for the rest of your life but the thing is, NO PROOF. Where does this end? You cannot just let anybody start searching your house because somebody said you are a thief. That applies to the question about Pacquiao. You can hit your head on the wall and still you are not going to get that answer.
@ rey
read carefully what i wrote.
the positive effect for example being stronger, faster will be with you long after you stop taking the peds.
you use the peds to train like an animal…..once you stop taking the peds the strengh will stay with you for weeks after. even though the drug will be gone from your system…… is that easier for you to understand?
To all A hoes who don’t understand that the Mayweathers are damn jealous, don’t ccomment anymore because all of you are like machines and not humans!!! Take it from me.
mr rich says: “What dont people get about 18 hours? Some peds can be out of your system in 18 hours. So testing after a fight would be pointless. Testing one week before the fight would be pointless. Random drug tests during the training period, not pointless. You understanding this people?”
my point is: why take something before the fight that will have no effect on the fight whatsoever? you take something so that your performance DURING the fight improves, therefore testing just minutes after the fight makes sense. is this so hard to understand?
As one writer said, WE ARE SO LUCKY TO LIVE AND WITNESS PACQUAIO IN OUR LIFETIME because he is a once in a lifetime boxer. We are so lucky to be here in his time.
Great Article. I enjoyed it. Don’t be surprise if some people don’t. Some can’t read, let alone reason or have logic. And there are those that are just plain stupid.
Roach can knock many guys as he is also on steroids.
Now dont get things confused people. Im not a Mayweather fan. I agree that he hasnt faught anyone decent in maybe 4 years. My point is simple….people keep going on about how Pacquiao is willing to take a blood test after the fight. All im pointing out is that after the fight is useless…..and anybody who takes peds would know that and anybody with common sense would aswell. Im not saying Pacquiao is guilty…..but i aint saying he is definately clean either.
or 2 or 3 weeks?
@ scooby doo
i want to ask you a question. i hope you will give a straight yes or no answer.
Would you prefer to fight someone who has been training while using peds for 8 weeks or one that has been using peds for 5 or 6 weeks?
“Earlvin Cruz” even though i agree with you completely, i fell asleep trying to read your comment.
OJ Simpson was also found innocent. After he was caught by the police after a long chase down a highway they checked his car and found a knife with his wife’s blood all over it. The court of law found him innocent so it must be true right?
TO MR RICH,
If you truly believe that Mayweather really believed in Pacman’s juicing up. Why in the world would he offer Pacman 14 days compromise? If 24 days leave a lot of loopholes for him to juice up, doesn’t 14 days leave him 14 days to juice up? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE DOES IT NOW? Schaefer even thought that Manny would take the deal because it was only 10 days apart. But in reality, it was jsut about who psychological advantage of controlling the fight rules. If mayweather had manny agree to the 14 days, then PBF proves he is the champion of boxing by imposing this new drug rule on Manny. Unfortunately, Arum knows that PBF needs this fight more than Manny. Now Mayweather has a reputation for a ducker without any viable challenger (las vegas will be swarming with flies on March 13) while Manny is fighting Clottey in 40,000 seater Dallas. Roach and Arum believes they will renogotiate in the fall and this time will be under Manny’s terms. If mayweather continues to duck, then Manny will go for Mosley further cementing his legacy whil mayweather will continue to fade in history. SO PBF has no way out on this one.
yeah pacman make us belive you take the random tests!!!!
U simply amaze me reading through this article with a very dramatic conlusion. well done. what a story ! what a story! WHAT IF he is truly the GOAT. Manny makes us all a believer. Bow to the King.
Does anyone actually know the science behind drug-testing? An Olympian sprinter won several golds and was never caught while competing. So much for the validity of Olympic-style testing. How can people say anything about the blood tests when people don’t even know what PED’s and HGH are, let alone how biologists look for these elements in blood, urine, or saliva? No one knows the actual validity of these tests. Who in the mass public is an actual expert on PED’s and blood testing?
How can people be crying about all this stuff when they’re not completely informed about what it’s all about? Pacquiao has a clean record and has taken blood tests just a few weeks before fights, anyway. He shows no symptoms of steroid use.
I dig the article cuz the world is looking for heroes. When one comes along it’s so too hard to believe with our cynical mass consciousness. And then we’re quick to crucify him/her one way or another. Then people suffering from jealousy stoke and pour gasoline into the fires.
a little to preachy for me, still a good article, way better then anything manuel perez ever wrote! haha
I could be wrong, but i never suspected Manny of Juicing or any other cheating. Its amazing that if you’re so superior over your competition that you get accused and attacked for being that good. Manny is a once in a life time fighter that has continually blessed use fans with entertaining fights. The Mayweather’s & Goldenboy promotions are crooks and should be ashamed of them selves. If you think Manny has taken PED’s then i got some prime real estate to sale you. give me a call dummy’s!!
@ mally j
Pacquiao didnt need to ask Floyd….. because Floyd said he would take the exact same tests anyway. so whats your point? lol
In the court of law, speculation is a no-no. Everybody can be accused of cheating. In order to scrutinize somebody, there should be at least a proof so the accused can go to test that are required to make sure he really did. Nothing for Pac so, there is no reason for him to undergo to that test. If that is not good for you, then go crazy…
@ Raster
One month before the fight you start taking them…..one week before the fight you stop taking them? does that make more sense?
Im not saying he is or isnt actually taking them. what im saying is that the window Pacquiao was asking for wouldnt make a difference. what makes the difference is random tests up to one week before the fight.
here’s some juice…let’s get juicy!!! zero defeat? thats BS. Xylocaine? Xylocaine? anyone? thats a fact. Steroids/PED and email? all you dumb dumb get proof first. Ask Teddy Atlas where’s the email. So we can all shut-up and move on. If you dont have proof??? Then STFU and watch Telletubbies with Floyd.
chicken floyd should fire his uncle roger and hire teddy atlas as his trainer if that will make them feel better, or it would be interesting if freddie roach against teddy atlas in the ring. i know roach can knock teddy out.
WHAT IF PAC ASKED FOR BLOOD AND MAYWEAHTER REFUSED?
WOULD YOU HAVE TAKEN THE TEST?
MANNY PACQUIAO ANALOGY
Once there were two lawyers.
Lawyer #1 was an American citizen. He was born to a prominent family of lawyers. His father was a lawyer. His two uncles were lawyers. His father and one of his uncles were law professors at Harvard School of Law. He, himself, graduated from Harvard School of Law.
At a young age, Lawyer #1 was thought everything about the law. He was groomed to become the best lawyer in the family. He eventually did. He became a very good defense lawyer. He never lost a case. He was very smart. Sometimes, though, he was accused of only taking cases that were winnable.
Then, there’s Lawyer #2. He was not an American citizen. He was born in a third world country. None of his family members ever graduated from college. As a young man, he worked selling food on the street to survive. Nothing was given easily. Everything was hard earned. He managed to finished college through hard work and perseverance. Even though he did not graduate from a very good school, he eventually passed the bar exam and became a lawyer in his country. He was not the best lawyer. He lost some of his first cases early in his career.
After a few years, Lawyer #2 managed to go to the United States to practice law. He passed the entire bar exam given by the American Bar Association (ABA). He became a popular lawyer in the United States. Because of this, he also became popular around the world. He was even featured on the cover of Time magazine.
The time came when Lawyer #1 and Lawyer #2 applied for the same position at the biggest law firm in the world. The salary would have given them the highest salary they would have ever received in their careers. There was only one position available, and both of them had to go through a very intensive interview at the same time to see who was going to be hired. For the interview, they only needed to bring their diploma and the proof that they had passed the American Bar Association (ABA) exam.
Before the big day, before the big interview, and without any valid evidence, Lawyer #1 accused Lawyer #2 of cheating his way to pass the ABA exam. He said that it was impossible that Lawyer #2 could have passed the bar exam without cheating because he thought that Lawyer #2 was not good enough. He thought that Lawyer #2 did not even go to very good school to pass the ABA exam. He was sure Lawyer #2 cheated. For this, he demanded for Lawyer #2 to take the bar exam again. He did not want to be interviewed at the same time with Lawyer #2 unless Lawyer #2 took the test again.
The big law firm that the two were trying to get a job did not care. The request by Lawyer #1 was unprecedented. Never, in their company’s history, did they request any applicant to take the bar exam again, much more that the request came from another applicant. The owners of the law firm thought that Lawyer #2 passed the bar exam fair and square. They did not require him to take any further tests.
Now, if you were Lawyer #2, would you have taken the bar exam again just to prove that you passed it fair and square the first time? Of course not! Why would you? You passed the bar exam already. Why would you listen to someone irrelevant? Why would you take the bar exam again just because, without evidence, someone accused you of cheating.
Hopefully now you understand why Pacquiao did not take the test!
-Earlvin Cruz
18 hours is not “right after the fight”. It’s more like “next day after the fight”. Manny intends to take the blood test in his locker room right after the fight. You don’t stay in the arena for 18 hours.
A good article, and definitely touches on the spirit of the boxer, rather than the dark side of the sport.
You can make a similar story for Floyd, a tough kid who grew up with an abusive father who was so distant from him that his son didn’t know whether to worship him or hate him, so he did both.
I think that this talk of inspiration and lofty ideals can get you only so far, however. And the sad truth is that now that the question has been put on the table — whether Manny likes it or not — if these two guys have to fight, there will now need to be conclusive proof that neither of them took any type of enhancers during training.
I hope it can happen, and I hope Manny can clear his name, which I feel was very shamelessly slandered in order to gain a competitive edge. If he can level the playing field and still come out victorious over the undefeated technical mastermind that is Floyd Mayweather Jr., then I think he can silence the critics once and for all.
Either way, I truly just want to see this fight happen, however it has to happen.
…ryan
Pacquiao was willing to have blood testes right after his fight with Mayweather in the locker room. It’s not 18 hrs after the fight. Get your facts straight ..moron!
scared we all think random testing is not good for peds users or roids ..
Great article, regardless of whether he is clean or not Mayweather still wins.
Why not make it really fair. Blood taken based on their weights. 1 teaspoon for Pac, 1 gallon for Flo…everyday until the fight.
What dont people get about 18 hours? Some peds can be out of your system in 18 hours. So testing after a fight would be pointless. Testing one week before the fight would be pointless. Random drug tests during the training period, not pointless. You understanding this people?
Pacquiao took the Dec. 28 urine test and it came out negative. Pacquiao always and willing to take blood and urine test minutes after the fight. If he is dirty, it will be still in his system, then, i be off the Pacquiao bandwagon. Mayweathers’ been playing everyone from the start. I suspected Top Rank and Pacquiao knew Floyd will never fight anyone that will tarnish his undefeated record. Glad Pacquiao did not budge because now Floyd will have to cough up some cash for his libel.
Then he is the GOAT…Greatest of all time.
Theres only one way to find out lol