No Deal: Mayweather Rejects Final Top Rank Deal
December 27th, 2009
by Jason Alcairo: Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions has effectively told Bob Arum and Top Rank to take a hike. The disagreement over random blood testing of the fighters is apparently more of an obstacle than it really should be.
“It does not make sense for this to be a commission matter, “Schaefer told Yahoo Sports. He continued, “This is a contractual matter. The commission did not decide the weights or the purse split or how the foreign television rights would be sold.”
This whole matter could be an attempt to hype it all up for later in the year. But I don’t think this whole conflict has left anything but a bad taste in the boxing community’s mouth. I would still like to see the fight of course, but Golden Boy Promotions having told Arum to sit and spin, I guess we should look for what stay busy fights we can expect them both to take.
For Pacquiao, there is Yuri Foreman and Paulie Malignaggi. I won’t address his fight with Marquez, which while I’m sure could sell better than Paulie and would sell better than Foreman, it couldn’t possibly live up to the first two unless you’re looking to see Marquez be outclassed by Pacquiao. You couldn’t possibly be surprised if it did happen since Manny adjusts and carries his extra weight naturally. Love Marquez, but no. Not happening for him.
Foreman was surprisingly good in taking his title but his title came from Daniel Santos. At 5’11″, he would be taller than Manny by a good 4 inches and he’s in good shape. It may actually prove to be a competitive fight and since he’s mostly unknown outside of boxing, it could be a true test of Manny’s drawing power. However, should Manny win it would be another write off as a title grab on his part. 8 titles would still be 2 above the record he had broken. I personally don’t think he should take it, but, eh.
Malignaggi has a small fan base and is a good fighter but doesn’t hit nearly hard enough to phase Manny, though his stinging jabs can swell and cut as proven in his first fight against Juan Diaz. However, Manny can move in and out and should he catch Paulie, he’d pound him into oblivion. Great for a payday, but man would I not envy him.
For Floyd, Matthew Hatton has been a well circulated rumor and I know he wants to fight in the UK where his acclaim is picking up a little steam but he can’t possibly take that fight if he wants to keep claiming supremacy in the boxing world. I don’t think he’d fight Timothy Bradley but should he take a fight like that against the current top dog of the Jr Welterweights (Pacquiao excluded as he probably won’t jump back down barring a loss if he fights Mayweather), I would be the first to give him props for fighting someone who is just as good as people say he is.
My guess is he might try and get another welterweight strap and fight Jan Zavec, the newly crowned IBF champion who knocked out Isaac Hlatshwayo in November. His style is pretty straight forward though he took the fight in a one sided manner, dropping Isaac in every round until the knockout in round 3. Or, he could even challenge Mosley who would be fresh off his fight against Berto should he win. Or even Berto while we’re playing the “Let’s Speculate Wildly” game.
Anyways, I hope the fight really isn’t dead.It would be a blow to boxing and both camp’s credibility if they walk away. Feel free to leave predictions in the comment section.I’d love to see the predictions of my fellow boxing fans.
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This is a case of a father looking out for his son. I am a father, and it wouldn’t matter one bit if my son was a pro fighter, I would NOT let him jump in the ring with a demon like Pacquiao. He probably convinced JR that the 30 million is not worth his health, the risk of being seriously hurt or losing his unbeaten record. He showed his son a way to attack Pacquiao OUTSIDE the ring and try to discredit his name. Watch Pacquiao’s last fight against Cotto. He fights like he’s possessed! I’d be scared too! The man is inhuman. Floyd Sr. has his faults, but in this case he’s looking out for his boy and Jr is listening to his dad.
Mayweather has a big mouth that makes his record less attractive to many fans. I would like to see Manny take him out and teach him a lesson!
i’m asian…and not many ppl knows who pac is….
maybe in 3rd world countries but i dont know about other modern asian countries…lol…
Yeah, Mayweather is scared, he claims to be the best pound for pound, for what running in the ring, he knows pacman will beat his ass, all mayweather does is showboat then hold on to his opponents.MAN UP BOY if your as good as you claim take the fight and prove yourself
pacman is liar liar liar.
Why refuse taking tests? You are a fraud. You have been doing this for the last five years. Remember the beating you got from Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez?
poor pacquiao..he reminds me of a spoiled little boy who is not getting his way.
I want it this way…..I want it my way…the cheating dirty way.
What embarrassment!
Okay, okay. I lied. I AM NOT ASIAN. But I am not proud of Pacquiao.
Fraud jr and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr have something in common … can anyone tell me what it is?
what a surprise… nice record fraud jr i wonder why u still undefeated.
mayweather is not scared of manny, if this fight doesnt happen it will be because mayweather and bob arum pretty much hate each other so neither of them is gonna back down in their demands for this contractual agreement. Therefore egos collide which results in this fight not happening.
“Asian people proud of you Pac. Your genes are better than they are.” from MMA
i’M ASIAN, AND I’M NOT PROUD OF PAC…AND I DONT REALLY HEARD MUCH ABOUT PAC FROM MY COUNTRY OR SOME OTHER ASIAN COUNTRY,,,,NOT MANY PPL KNOWS HIM IN ASIA….LOL
Pacquiao says no to blood test. After saying he would take two or 3 blood test. Even though i dont think much of Pacquiao… by him not wanting to take a blood test, puts that thought in everyones mind, is he cheating? Mayweather was willing to take the blood test as well, so Mayweather was not getting any kind of advantage. He also agreed to pay 10 million for every pound her went over. Now Pacquiao says blood test is stupid because it will weaken him. Hello Mayweather is taking the same test! So it makes you think. Nothing has been proven, but like i said it puts that thought on Manny being on HGH or any PEDS in the back of your head.
It would suck to see Manny Fight Malignaggi and not Timothy Bradley. If he doesnt fight Floyd
If this fight is really dead, then for me this is the biggest boxing hoax in history, a fight that was meant not to happen from the get go. After the Cotto fight Floyd jr called out to Manny to step up to the plate and Manny did so and look what happened. No fight. You can compare this to the air balloon hoax people were praying the young boy would land safe but there was no boy from the get go.
This all BS…Im not watching Pac and Paulie, no way, this is carzy…boxing community should boycott
I don’t feel Floyd walking away from the Manny fight is any kinbd of blow to his credibility at all … infact, wuite the opposite is true ! ifg anytone has left huge doubt in the boxing world’s mind, it is Pacman … tyhis guys silly refusal over a simple random blood test near to the fight is nothing but utterly reasonable and would dispel any accusations about steriod abuse. However, Manny’s refusal, makes me look at him a in a very concerned way. is he on roids, possibly.
GBP is not asking for blood testing on the Mosley/Berto fight because that contract is signed, sealed, delivered and it’s not of the magnitude of the Pac/Money fight which was under negotiations….again in negotiations you can ask for whatever you want….it’s not a contract people until both parties agree to the terms of the agreement. The NSAC does NOT engage in contractual negotiations ever only the rules and regs associated with the boxing commission! Drug testing in boxing has always been conducted by urinalysis only. Many “cheaters” have known how to beat the urine test and it’s done everyday! Trying to beat a random blood and urine test is a lot harder! Pac has never failed a urine test and neither has Mosley! Think about that one.
Will FMJ ask his next opponent to take a blood test? You don’t need to be an elite fighter to take performance enhancing drugs. Fernando Vargas tested positive for PED’s after the DLH fight and he is not an elite fighter. Manny should sue the Mayweathers anyway because Mayweather Sr. is on record as saying Manny is on PED’s and FMJ’s interview with R.A. the rugged man listen to it on youtube
FACTS:
The Nevada State Athletic commission conducts scientific and state of the art drug testing before fights. Fighters that have been caught with some form of banned substance in their system include Fernando Vargas, Ricardo Mayorga, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and a long list of many others. Pacquiao has never failed a drug test, even back when blood was drawn from him prior to his first fight against Erik Morales in 2005. Pacquiao lost that fight by the way and said after the fight that the blood drawn from him caused him to feel weak. So you can say, Pacquiao speaks from experience as to why he refuses to give blood any time near fight night which Team Mayweather is subjecting him to do. As a compromise, Pacquiao is willing to submit to a blood test immediately after the fight. If there is banned substance to be detected in Pacquiao’s blood 48 hours before the fight, then it is likely to remain there 48 seconds after fighting Mayweather. The key point here is “Pacquiao does not want to be tested before the fight because it weakens him”
If you are negotiating a deal you set your terms and the other party sets their terms and if you both agree you have a contract. When on party sets their terms and the other party accepts all of the terms and only ask for 1 (one)thing in return and you can’t oblige then I think you really aren’t willing to make the deal happen = NO Contract! For all the millions of dollars at stake, give me a break! For Pacman to say that he will only give blood in January, February and at the end of the fight gives him plenty of time to cycle any alleged PED’s, EPO’s or HGH’s and still test clean…Random blood/urine testing IS the only way to be sure, inside of the 30 day window that Pac refuses to have his blood drawn, and that’s the truth and they know it and now we can only guess as to why Team Pac won’t budge! Good for Mayweather/Golden Boy to say – We gave you what you wanted and you can’t meet our request, then No Deal!
Floyd 40 wins are all under the NSAC rules and regulations and since he doesn’t trust this commission, then it’s fair that he should have 0 fight and 0 win.
LET HIM START FROM THE BEGINNING WITH THE USADA ruling the bout and not the NSAC.
He went to retirement – WHY – to avoid
Mosley, Margarito, Cotto and the like.
He came and who did he fought – JMM,
who struggled from start to end, because he got cheated, and this will be the legacy of Floyd. Nothing at all
to be proud of.
oh come on !!alot of yall say floyd keeps on making demands to get out of the fight …the only reason is that you dont hear as much about people making demands on floyd cause he is a man and agrees to most of them !!he agreed to this weigt nonsense and other demands and never shead a teer !! oh ive got 50 tattoos but im afraid of needles !! quit crying…floyd maned up and met all the demands , its time man-roid did the same ..after all he has nothing to hide …right ???
someone must built one monument on LASVEGAS it looks like floyd mayweather. name him ‘the coward of all times’
If mayweather wants olympics test, why not including olympic helmet and olympic deck helmet my size 6 inch.
Wow, I’m not an expert in any medical field, neither do I claim to be an expert in Boxing as a sport… But as a fairly rational thinking man, a lay man so to speak, shouldn’t drug testing be RANDOM to achieve it’s desired objectives? I’m no paclover or a pbflover, just a lover of boxing and I’m saddened by this extraordinary happenings. I for one would not get into a fight with anyone who wants to dictate when & where to take tests, and I certainly won’t want my blood taken right b4 a fight( not logical). Just don’t seem right!!!
mayweather and his people should be ashamed of themselves. i live in the uk and work for 2 big boxing promoters, and nearly everyone i speak to in the boxing comunity blames the mayweather camp. they are trying dirty tricks to unsettle paquiao, and most people here beleive its because mayweather is scared and doesn’t want the fight. mayweather will be remembered for ducking this fight if it doesn’t happen.
who cares….. honestly, every one is saying the same over and over and then over again. the fight is not going to happen, thats the long and the short of it. all your bull excuses are quite frankly pointless. Many this and Floyd that BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
GBP doesn’t want additional tests for Mosley before the Judah-Mosley fight even if Mosley admitted he used steroids before. They said that they will only take the test required by the NSAC. Now they want Pacman to take additional tests aside from the tests that are being given by the NSAC even if Pacman passed all drug tests in all his fights before.
dead meat very intrestin qestion after all isnt mosley known as some one who uses performance enhanced drugs .if mayweather was to beat pac not that i think he will but he would use the same excuse against mosley. mayweather is no warrior of the ring just a moron .why did mayweather sr not ask for theses terms against fatton are even fatton v mayweather .its well known fatton takes supplements what not sure but still he could have asked he really is scared of pacquiao
if it were illegal for Floyd to request a blood test, he would never have asked for one… just take the F…. test and lets get on with it.
paclover
if your basis of believing that pacquiao uses steroids is because floyd sr says it, i say you are a moron. if pacquiao has been using drugs, he should have been caught in his previous 50 fights. no less than the world boxing council president jose sulaiman believes that the pacman is clean. pacquiao doesn’t need to take blood tests to prove that. however, as a compromise, he agrees to undergo blood tests three times (on the day of announcement of the fight, 30 days before the fight and immediately after the fight in his locker room). and now they are willing to submit to other blood tests if the nevada state commission tells them to. but the mayweather camp is really looking for a way out of this fight, and insists on their ridiculous and outrageous demand of olympic-style blood tests. mayweather is a scared chickens**t, that’s what he really is.
i wonder if mayweather will fight a real fight. he will keep ducking on good fighters and will pick lousy opponents just to keep his record clean, which is the only thing about him that’s clean. but mayweather will forever be remembered in boxing history as the champion that never really was a champion in the true sense of the word. he is a big joke in the boxing world.
Why is GBP not asking for random blood test on mosley vs berto fight?…hmmmmm
Arriba Pacquiao!
The Whole Mexico is Behind you!!
Fuego Pacquiao!!
Bob Arum said that they are willing to submit to random testing as long as it is commissioned by NSAC. He is just doing what GBP did before during the Judah- Mosley fight. Schaefer told the Associated Press that ” We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires. The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one.”
Mosley did admit to inadverently taking PEDs before the 2003 rematch with ODLH that’s why Judah & his team were demanding for Mosley to take an additional blood test.
Pacquiao never failed a single drug test & yet, GBP & mayweather insists on having another set of blood test for Pacquiao?
Coward FLOYD
No more boxing Ok, let dance a tanggo with floyd no more blood testing. This is a dancer not a boxer. Iam ebony always beauty not pretty boy.
PBF needs this fight more than Manny. In time, Mayweathers and GBP will be seen as the one who killed this fight.
FLOYD SR IS GOING THROUGH THE SAME BS LIKE JOSE CONSECO
LOL! I guess I was wrong about PBF, He really does not need the money. If this is PBF’s last stand then so be it. I believe Arum asked Bradley to fight but he declined. He then asked Paulie and he said yes. So there you go folks. March 13th Manny vs Paulie. And PBF will fight matthew Hatton becuase he is expecting the British Fans to fly over to Vegas and watch a snoozer.
ok guys. i now agree to the ramdom blood testing!
but this time, i want my wife jinkee to take the ramdom blood testing on my dick from 1st round of boxing until the 12th (..if it reaches?). meanwhile, floyd has to agree that a handsome guy! will take the random test on his dick as well.
i think this will be much fairer for badweather now!!!
What the condition of blood testing? empty stomach 24 hrs, past eating every time. Oh no I fell strong Iam a boxer is better to go in KFC and eat fried chicken yum yum.
If mannys not hiding anything he shouldnt be afraid of taking the test. The hell with boxing, everybody should watch some real fights and do what i did turn to UFC.
now i see floyd only wanted a bragging right hoping manny would decline to fight march 13 what a mess. his courage was zapped by Jose Luis Castillo ions ago.
“autologous transfusion thats the answer, if Pac thinks that taking blood makes him week then just take his own blood now and refridgerate it or how ever its done and replace what they take from him,that should be the answer to the problem now just make it happen
Our boxer is not a champions but a fraud. How he lie to so many of us.
He lied to boxing.
He lied to world.
He keep lying!
Sure.
He is guilty. All the proof you need. His denial to submit the Olympic Style Tests.
An innocent man has nothing to hide.
I smell a rat and a cheater.
Sorry!
can someone show me evidence that Pacquiao is on Steroids?
“AO says:
December 28, 2009 at 12:53 am
I’m sorry but I don’t see Mayweather’s drug test demands as any more outragous than Manny and Top Rank’s demand of a 10 million dollar fine for every pound over 147….”
I agree, you are sorry.
Has Pacquiao ever failed a drug test?
Has Mayweather ever ignored an agreed weight limit?
Now do you see it?
I used to work for pacman ba tal en ye KBG.
He is not clean. He has used the “stuff” since his loss against LEGEND Erik Morales. Remember when he lost and everyone crying.
He was approached by a dirty politician and given “stuff.”
I wish our 5 time World Champions was legit but he DIRTY like Fernando Vargas, James Toney, and Shane Mosley.
I am disappointed in pacquiao. He is a fraud. Why did he lie to millions. Just another barry bonds.
here is my freindly advice to you mayweather camps and clans, just go back to amateur and fight over there so your demands will be granted anyway. when this blood testing on pro boxerhappens? its only part of dirty tactics.your camp dont beleive to the NSAC examinations? yes you dont. manny, 4get mayweatherfight. continue law suits they r silent now when they heard about that. meaning the are guilty. move on to onother fight people loves your games. we will support you.beat them on court plus push them for public apology for what they say.
Sitting here watching this. I cam to a conclusion that the Mayweathers need a new think tank team. at this point with or without boxing. They will face Manny and it does not look good for them. They will now hold their ground a play the blame game right after this. Over thinking has taken a bite out of these idiots. LOL! With all that money, this is all their PR people can come up with. They have forgotten the consequence of irresposibility.
Many PR folks here in Los Angeles. all floyd has to do is make a phone call. Make sure to make the call after this drama settles.
lilgiant22
No thanks.Your product seems very appealing but i don’t trust anything that’s not out of GNC.
PS:unless you have Manny or Ariza’s receipts,save it.
Amen JaRvis
That’s what happens when others could not achieve what you proved you are capable of doing. Throwing mud at people you are afraid of. Mayweather’s all bark and no bite, cherry picker and all. Demading for something he didn’t demand at all before. So why not meet halfway? Answer is, it’s either they’re hyping things up, or if things are really as they seem, then Mayweather’s camp just walk out on the most profitable fight he will ever experince. Not mind the money, just keep your loss-less record and brag about it in front of your mirror. having an idea what a tactician the Mayweather’s are, you sure got a pretty tricky way of showing you’re avoiding the matchup that could potentially push you to your limit, might even make you kiss the canvass…
ohhh, ouch, what a sad news to all boxing fans. no one on both side are giving a way. you dont want huge money, you dont want boxing fans to see both of you on d ring? for what reason ‘BLOOD’.both of you are champion best boxer.stand up and fight. or maybe you want pres.obama of the us and pres, arroyo of the phillipines to settle this up.or maybe freddie roach and mayweather sr. on march13. how about that.
yeah
Ok, you’re just being ignorant. Please read the facts before saying something, ok? Pac’s alright with blood test, he just wants to limit it.
all of you are s#!t….shut your mouth up………..
I’m sorry but I don’t see Mayweather’s drug test demands as any more outragous than Manny and Top Rank’s demand of a 10 million dollar fine for every pound over 147. Mayweather agreed to that demand, and Manny should suck it up and agree to Mayweathers. Because in the current situation everyone looses, but especially the fans and the sport of boxing as a whole.
A very bad black eye for the sport. This fight had the opportunity to bring boxing back into a spotlight it hasnt seen in over a decade, but all it was able to do is show why boxing continues to fail. Everyone in both camps should be completely embarrassed by this outcome, boxers, promoters, trainers, and everyone else involved. Bob Arum in particular has made some completely childish asinine comments, and has made himself along with the sport look foolish.
In saying that and looking at the facts, if my understanding is correct i still believe that this is more on pac and co then PBF. Floyd has given in on the 10 mil pound overage and also the march date. Pac would agree to test but only 30 days before the fight and after as long as it isnt by the USADA. I think this would be fine because if pac takes a test after then that would show whatever is in his system and if he wins it wouldnt count and floyds record would still be unblemished.
However, a couple days ago arum said he would do the testing from the NBA/MLB/NFL agencies just not USADA and then floyd has conceded on this and accepted that the testing doesnt have to be USADA as long as blood testing is still done, and then the pac crew even backed away from that and said they will only do what the nevada commision says they have too. People will blame floyd because they hate floyd but this is at least as much on pac if not more.
Im a boxing fan and will continue to be one, however i wont pay a dime for paulie/pac out of nothing more then principal.
The truth
Please try to read your own comment. you ought to be ashamed of yourself. You call yourself the truth and all you wrote were lies. People are reading your comments and I for one can’t comprehend what you’re saying. Not only that you don’t how to express yourself properly in writing, grammatically speaking that is, but you also dont know how to spell. GOLLY!!! GET AN EDUCATION. Go to school and learn how to spell and write. Got it?
if mayweather always asking for demand better cancell the fight. anyway hes a boring boxer, unlike manny, many are dreaming someday they could reach the stature of what pacman is enjoying.
oh cmon, mayweather keeps on demanding so that their fight will not push thru because he knows he gonna loose that fight,got it?
and yes, i would agree in previous comments. floyd jr is boring anyway and i will only watch him if he is fighting pacman, not because of his boring nature but because of exciting pacman.
manny is smaller. why did mayweather needs to demand so much stuff. i would fight anyone 20 lbs. lighter than me whatever he is eating.
anyway, i see it on a different view. it’s better this way coz win or lose, floyd jr. & sr. has something to say. let hims say that now in the court of law.
Big Tone
Pacquiao has no reason to be under scrutiny aside from May Senior having his fighter getting plowed.It was an upset when De La Hoya quit,it was an outclassing when Diaz got destroyed,and now it’s steroids because Pacquiao fought at welterweight again and did very well.FMJ wasn’t concerned with a level playing field when he wiped Marquez catchweight stipulation with his ass.
Dont blame Maywheather for rejecting the offer somethings up with Pac! If there is nothing to hide whats the problem especially with this fight and whats at stake, legacy, livelyhood and record. It(fight)merits this level scrutiny in order for a fair playing field and genuine 100% competetive fight!
Mayweather got the skills and defensive ability to win this fighting backwards. But Pacquiao is the draw. Mayweather needs to drop his demands quietly to get a more then 50% chance off winning this fight in the ring and no matter what, get paid. Pacman is a man of principle and will not back down. Mayweather will need the money to defend himself against the defamation lawsuit being brought against him. In any event the fight should be boring anyways, (all Mayweather’ fights are boring) unless you are a pacfan. And we Pacfans will buy any of Pacman’s fights…weather it’s the Magic Man, or Mosley or the gym rat down the street, Pacquiao entertains!!
I hope the hot heads will cool down and the fight will continue with Mayweather and Manny.if not it’s ok.that’s life! sometimes you have it sometimes you dont.If ever Manny fights again i hope it’s Timothy Bradley or Paul Williams who is willing to go the range 147-160 just to have a fight with Mayweather or Manny.It’s more buyable to the audience than Mayweather fighting little brother Hatton or Manny fighting Paullie which is i think have a little fan base and it is not ready to go yet to the next level and fight the superstars.
Mayweather the plate is ON! Let’s get it on! If this fight will not happen it will never happened in the future.Change your adviser and Let your promotion do the talking not Golden boy.Go by the rules.The rules which is the NEVADA rules which Ali,Fraizer,Sugar Ray,Hagler,Tyson Holyfield respected.
The Truth
You’re a moron.Usually i’ll counter people’s assertions but that would be validating every last retarded word you wrote.So this is all you’ll get from me.
I enjoyed reading that. You come across as a genuine boxing fan and, unlikely others here, you don’t seem to be using the site to flout or flail an agenda. Much respect.
yeah boxing is full of s&^T right now just take the test manny let see if it is the rice or the steroidz mmm manny manny shame on you if you are in roidz
I totally agree, me as well wants to see this fight. boxing is full of sh#ts as of now.