Mayweather vs. Pacquiao: Cough Up Some Blood, Manny
December 23rd, 2009
By Frank Car: Come on, Manny, cough up some blood. No not from a barrage of body shots, but through a needle in an Olympic-style drug test. Pacquiao’s camp seemingly agreed to this style test earlier but changed their mind on this past Tuesday or so, and is now to be the only left keeping contracts from being signed.
He also said “He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.” I assume the kick-off press conference is the one to be held in early January in New York and, now, there seems to be another one to take place a few days later in Los Angeles.
Come on now, Manny, if you are really considering not agreeing to this.. hmm. Your going give ammo to Mayweather and he deserves to be able to throw it back at you. He, Mayweather, is willing to take the test, and if Manny doesn’t have anything to hide, he is only going to be raising suspicion by not agreeing. Perhaps Manny feels as if he doesn’t need to even acknowledge those types of accusations, but those type of things can snowball on you and get bigger and bigger. The smart thing would be to leave no doubts and just adhere to the testing. In fact he should almost want to do just to show everyone, leaving no doubters, that is he isn’t on any steriods any anything deemed otherwise illegal.
It’s so hard to tell what’s really going on in their minds, whether is a ploy for negotiation tactics, whether they really have something to hide, whether Pacquiao is superstitious on giving blood or just doesn’t like needles, which are also two reasons rumored to be why he doesn’t want to take the test. Half the time, if not most the time, “they” (they being anyone involved on either side in these type of matters) say one thing and a short time later do another, but I guess that’s just how negotiations go. Something about a male cow and what you do with the food you ate.
Mayweather said “I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don’t know anyone who really does. But in a fight on this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same. It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night. I hope that this is either some mis-communication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by USADA,” sources say.
Actually, rather eloquently put. And it’s a perfect spot for Mayweather to be in, he is agreeing and seemingly trying to make things work, while Pacquiao is being difficult about something he has been accused of before, doping that is, accused by even some of his fellow boxers. Which might I add without proof is ridiculous and classless.
Bob Arum, Pacquiao’s promoter, after Schaefer released his statement had this to say “Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn’t want to do it when he’s in training, but he’ll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight.” said Arum “Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing. Everybody is using sophisticated urinalysis to test now. Mayweather knows Manny’s phobia for giving blood, and he’s using that to get out of the fight. Too bad” sources say.
So the question is, for all the doctors out there, is that true? Is it really necessary to take blood? Or necessary to take blood during training rather than before and after? I would assume the USADA (United States Anti-Doping Agency) which does the Olympic-style drug testing, draws blood, randomly, for a reason.
According to an article by USA TODAY regarding the introduction of blood testing in the Olympics “USADA will conduct the blood tests at competition and out-of-competition sites, when testers show up unannounced. Testing without notice can aid in detecting HGH [human growth hormone], which clears the body quickly. An athlete wanting to avoid detection at a competition would stop using before and event.”
Oh and by the way, I guess the whole “vow of silence no issuing statements until contracts are finalized” thing is out the window. Which is something both sides had agreed on when starting negotiations.
At any rate, there really should be no excuses from Pacquiao’s side. From what I hear Mayweather’s side is agreeing to Pacquiao’s demands. Such as a 10 million dollar penalty per pound over 147 for either boxer at weigh in. Schaefer told to ESPN.com regarding that topic “We agreed to $10 million per pound or fraction thereof. That’s what the Pacquiao side wanted and we said ‘Okay’ to that. That’s unheard of.”
However Bob Arum has said “The plug is pulled, the fight is off as far we’re concerned.” Don’t count on that happening though.
USADA tests all types of Olympians and top notch athletes from Lance Armstrong to LeBron James. As long it they keep it in the normal USADA standards and not overkill, it may be an unusual request but it’s not too far out there. In fact strict testing should be given more often in all different types of sports… except for bowling maybe.
I won’t come down too hard on the Pac-Man just yet ’cause all this is new news and could be sorted out fairly shortly. But come on, give a little blood outside the ring ya’ big tough guy.
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As boxigs current big fight name and I stress current, Manny or his camp has already agreed to 3 blood tests over and above the current requirements that the Nevada Athletic Commission already has in place. Should he do mmore because PBF says so? PBF is a great fighter and was the money two years ago truth is Manny is the man now and still he will do testing that his governing body does not require. It’s just a battle of wills here. Regardless PBF has done the damage and cast a shadow of doubt on Manny. Just look at who’s been the loudest out there, PBF Floyd Sr. and Paulie Malignaggi, I may be a Pacman fan, but c’mon man consider the source. Paulie is a wanna be contender who couldn’t hurt a 3 year old and PBF and Floyd Sr. remind me of two little boys trying to tell everyone they have the biggest Johnsons. Agree to a compromise and get it on. This pre fight bs is exactly why UFC and MMA are taking over. They all just shut up and fight.
if this is hype then manny should fire his management team. because the money he’s getting is not worth having his name associated with drugs. it just does not make sense.
So the question is, for all the doctors out there, is that true? Is it really necessary to take blood? Or necessary to take blood during training rather than before and after? I would assume the USADA (United States Anti-Doping Agency) which does the Olympic-style drug testing, draws blood, randomly, for a reason.
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If you use steroids, it goes to the blood stream diluted. The only way you can excrete it is through urine. So, logically, the total steroids in the body can be summed up by taking the urine and blood samples of an athlete right after the fight. If they are negative, then whether or not the athlete used steroids, it simply means that PEDS doesnt play any role during the fight.
There are snakes in the grass. So i read the statements from both sides (GBP and Top Rank).Then read a bit more to see what trustworthy writers have to say. After all this i find myself confused. As far as i understand urine tests do not pick up on all growth enhancing hormones or whatever is being used. Blood tests seems kinda standard, at the same time though one could see it as a ploy on Floyd’s behalf. The thing is why does Manny not want to take the blood test? I really don’t get it. These excuses i hear are really not acceptable. You bleed when you get tattooed during the whole procedure, Manny would give less blood for the tests than he did getting tattooed.
Now i don’t care if you are Manny Pacquiao or not but, drug tests are meant to be random for the most obvious of reasons and telling people when you will agree to be tested is really strange. Something i see a lot of newcomers to boxing do: they believe everything Bob Arum says! He is a snake and lies for various reasons depending on which reasons suit him and sometimes his fighters.
What i also wonder is: How long ago did Floyd decide that he was going to spring these demands on Manny at this point in negotiations? I am almost sure those original remarks by Mayweather Sr were meant to plant the seeds of doubt and now with Manny refusing to be tested randomly it looks a lot worse than it may be. No-one on the outside really knows what the truth is. Some think its all part of the hype which leads to more money. If that is the case well there is nothing we can do about it.
Will we ever get some real answers? If anyone here has some real knowledge on chemicals and performance enhancing drugs please share because lets face it guessing about this is as good as it gets for now which still leaves us in the dark.
Maybe, mayweather does it that’s why he thinks manny is doing it. If one is innocent there is a tendency to trust others but if you’re corrupt then you become distrustful of others. Just an insight!
MAYBE ALL THIS SH%#, BLOD SAMPLES, ROIDS, CANCELATION OF FIGHT IS JUST PART OF THE PROGRAM. ITS PURE HIPE. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT IT. DONT FORGET THIS IS BIG BUSINES FOR BOTH MANY AND FLOYD.
in 6-7 months moron body builder, hatton gain 40-50lbs is it impossible?
@frankie
Ur the idiot. F the contract s already signed, y r they stil tryin 2 negotiate bout the tests? Thats right… And OWNED by the way s also another expression. It’s exactly like skillz can call u stupid and i call u an idiot. But they mean one thing. Get it now?
tryin got argue this point is like trying to argue that the sky is blue, lets just be over it and hope we see a great fight between the 2 p4p kings
cant we just hope that manny takes the damn test and these two guys fight, i mean seriously, ive never wanted to see 2 guys fight more
skillz, i seriously feel sorry for you. and by the way is pwned…moron
so skillz, im done with you, have yet to state any facts. and bush, i have no clue where u get your info from but it clearly sounds like it is opinion as well. you are assuming things. This fight has been in talks for over 6 months, even before floyd agreed to fight JMM. leading up to dec 7th there was a ton of speculation, but on dec 7th, manny signed his side of the contract. now you can disagree all you want, but sorry to tell you this is fact. why u refuse to read the article is beyond me. like i said the contract was signed and the press confrence was schedualed for the second week of january. which is perfectly normal. Can you just please read some real info for once instead of assuming things
right. ESPN stepped too hard on the gas pedal. This is not new. Remember is the best fight of the decade and everyone wants to get the website hits. Paqcuiao and FloydM agreed to have Arum work on all the logistics for the big fight to happen on MArch 13th and until the venue and the gate receipt shares are ironed out, only then will a contract be signed and a press conf will follow. Ask everyone. youre the only one who believes that a contract was signed.
skillz lets just face it now…you are wrong…you refuse to give any facts what so ever to back up your argument. you are wrong here guy
I think the proof is there for everyone to see.. For the fights ..Look at this.. For his fight with Morales, he had one of the hardest fight, then you come back and kill th eguy, by the way look at how big Pacman was in that fight, compared to the last time he fought Morales, I think he has been juicing for a while now
anything left to say skillz? idiot
“For promotional purposes, the bout will be referred to as Mayweather-Pacquiao, but Top Rank will receive first billing over Golden Boy throughout the promotion.
However, instead of a full-scale media tour, there will only be a single press conference in New York during the second week of January. With the schedule compressed because of the March 13 date for the fight, rather than May 1, which the promoters and HBO PPV preferred, it didn’t leave time for a lengthy media tour.”
ok skillz, newb, in the sport of boxing, a contract is signed, then a press confrence. the contract was signed. the press confrence is schedualed for 2 week of january. anything else u fu kin idiot
so skillz a fighter who gets injured cant back out of a fight either than right? he signed the contract, no backing out
so i guess if espn is posting false information, according to you, the they can be sued right?
ok bush…like i said, i guess you are saying that espn is wrong and u are right? why dont u read the article, and a contract can be signed when the venue is still unknown. just read the article guy, bwt must be nice to be smarter than a whole company like espn, they must be cluless right
When Pacquiao announced on Jan 24, 2009 that he will fight hatton, it clearly stipulated the venue – MGM Grand. That ESPN article Frankie mentions was a publicity stunt – that Pacuiao has made his intentions offically to allow Arum to negotiate the fight. Maybe Pacquiao signed a letter of intent to Arum who knows.Clearly, the article did not say that the fight was signed, sealed and delievered for the press conference announcement to commence.
skillz at what, being a f ukin newb
poor guy….is that what u need skillz? a formal meeting with the press? you think that a contract is signed during this kind of meeting? god you are a newb to this sport. they couldnt have a formal meeting you moron because the location of this fight wasnt certain until a few days ago. god you are an idiot. btw, the location doesnt have sh it to do with the contract. and now there wont be a formal meeting because pacman doesnt want to take a simple blood test. god you are dumb
“Manny Pacquiao has signed a contract to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. in boxing’s biggest fight on March 13, a source with knowledge of the meeting told ESPN.com on Friday night.” now please keep telling me how he hasnt signed a real contract yet and how im wrong and you’re right..lol
I went back and viewd footage of Pacquiao then vs. now. I think you all would find it interesting to do the same. Unless you have a 10″ Black and white TV, you will see that Manny Pacquiao’s head is HUGE vs. just 1-2 years ago.
I aint sayin, I’m just sayin…
hahah, im hopeless because i have facts..you are a waste of time skillz. now you are disagreeing with espn…lol moron
Before I get into what I have to say, Im a fan of both Mayweather and Pacquiao (I say this because I do have something negative to say about Pacquiao, I don’t want all his “biggest” fans who know everything about him throwing abuse at me.)
Pacquiao’s camp haven’t handled this situation correctly. They have released a very poor statement which consists of a lot of excuses. Also, not agreeing to have random drug tests during there training camp only intensifies the (probably incorrect) rumours, it is only getting more and more people talking about the possibility that Pacquiao is planning or has been using illegal substances to help him move through the weight classes.
If I was Arum, Roach or Pacquiao, i’d go into damage control straight away. Agree to the Olympic style testing to save his reputation and possibly prove his critics wrong.
The people on this site who are defending Pacquiao need to look at this situation from a neutral perspective. Yes Mayweather’s demands can be seen as unrealistic, however it is Pacquiao who is the one refusing the random drug tests with pretty poor excuses. If he has nothing to hide then just agree to it…???
Cut out all the ‘beliefs’ and how it is going to effect him mentally, it’s the sport of boxing. You have no problem agreeing being tested months before and days after the bout, why is it such a big deal being tested when you don’t usually expect to?
the only thing left to do after the contract was signed was to find a location skillz, remember any of this? just 3 weeks ago guy. They wanted it at cowboy stadium, just a few day ago they finally said vegas.
“Later Friday it became a done deal, at least on the Pacquiao side, when he signed the paperwork, the source said.” thats directly from espn moron
you’re messing up big time Frankie. Who in his right mind will SIGN a contract without a fight venue established ?? The next thing you know it will be in Kabul, Afghanistan with no guarantee of gate receipts – put you lawyer’s cap on will you ? The PAc has a battery of lawyers advising him if you don’t believe. It’s not going to be signed until all gaps are sealed believe it or not.
hey skillz, is espn not a good enough source for you? thats where im reading this from guy
skillz, you are a moron. pacman signed his side of it on dec 7th
how can u be posting on this topic and not know that they signed the contract? dec 7th, 50 50 split, 8 oz gloves, 147, crazy how you didnt even know this
@Skillz, whether or not Both signed the contrct or not is neither here nor there. We DO know Manny signed the contract AND THAT WAS IN THE CONTRACT!
Manny are you using? Come on man take the test and let’s fight!
skillz you are an idiot. like i said before, im a big fan of both fighters, been following both since the amatuer days,its not hard to see whos at fault here, btw, the contract was signed on dec 7th
BUSH…wtf…manny and floyd signed the contract, what a few weeks ago? the only thing that was left was finding the location, which, just a few days ago was announced at mgm grand. none of this ringing a bell with you?
Frankie – correct me if I am wrong when, if Pacquiao and FloydM both signed the contract, why wasn’t the fight officially announced at a press conference? If’ you’re not familiar with legal procedures, don’t guess. Don’t BS viewers into thinking that Pacquiao is running away from an inked deal.That’s not how things work with legal contracts. The whole deal was and still in the negotiation stage. You sound like Rickey Hatton waking up after that vicious 2nd round KO.
skillz i just dont understand how you can blame anybody other than manny and roach for this fight not happening. if you sign a contract, then change your mind and decide that you want to do things your way, wouldnt that be your fault? It doesnt make sense to me how people like you are saying its floyds fault, if he didnt want to fight manny, he wouldnt have signed the contract. Im sure you probably thought the floyd was ducking DLH too, if u were even watching boxing at that time, and floyd came out and beat him.
Take the test Manny!!! You are confirming that you are user!!!!
skillz thats all you have is opinion because you know no real facts about the sport of boxing. manny bandwagon
skillz, wtf are u talking about. i said floyd paid 600k. he wanted to. he didnt have to, he wanted to. when has floyd ever come in over weight in any other fight? for you to say he cant keep his weight in check because he came in 2 pounds over for 1 fight that was a catch weight anyway is just fu kin dumb. It had nothing to do with keeping his weight in check, he wanted to come in at normal welterweight, and he did. the fight should have been at 147 anyway.
bush, that would be fine if it were a true statement, but its not. floyd only wants manny to do what manny signed and said he would do. fact is, manny changed his mind after signing and agreeing to these terms. Now he wants to do things his way instead of what was agreed upon. For you to say floyd is ducking is just stupid
its an excuse by mayweather to duck the fight and a pathetic ploy to destabilize the Pacman mentally. I think blood tests during the conference and after hte fight and urine tests in between will suffice and Pacuiao indicated that he has no problem with this.
Mayweather has no business managing the drug testing system enforeced by the Nevada Boxing Commission. No one in boxing nor UFC has demanded this kind of test ever. Mayweather’s job is to comply and not invent rules. Pacquiao’s next opponent will not make such ridiculous demands guaranteed. Such a demand only reeks of cowardice. Don’t fight Pacuiao if you’re scared period.
btw, im almost as anxious to see berto and mosley go at it. I think berto is one to watch in the welterwieght division. If the pacman mayweather fight happens, i would like to see the winner of berto mosley figt the winner of pacman mayweather. i got my money on berto against mosley
all i know is, im a fan of both fighters, and as a fan of the sport, this fight needs to happen. manny is preventing it from happening, as much as you manny fans think its floyd, its not. The blood test is in the contract that manny signed, now they changed their minds about it and decided not to do it. how is this floyds fault. floyd shouldnt even be mentioned in this side of it, he has done everything asked of him. this is manny not wanting to follow through on a contract that they agreed with. Why sign that contract then, why didnt manny and roach negotiate a new contract?
skillz if you are making 20-50 mil a fight night, i would come in at my confortable weight to and pay 600k to be comfortable,especially after being out of the game for 2 year. like i said before, it was a catch weight, non title fight. marquez even said that the 2 pound differnce didnt matter
Don’t you guys find it funny how quiet Alex Ariza is right now?
if you have been watching him his whole carrer, as i have, the you would see how much bigger he looks now. you cant deny that he looks juiced. the guy has moved up 7 weight classes. floyd still looks relativly the same size as 8 years ago or so. manny has tripled in size in that same time. if people have doubt about him, which we do, then why not just take the blood test during training, which would be the time that he is using anyway
@Skills, first of all Manny has already signed the contract. This was in the contract. This is a legal document now. The rules of the Anti-Doping Agency now apply. Manny CANNOT dictate when he will allow them to conduct the test!
They make the rules not Manny, Roach or Ariza! Manny signed the contract already.
He has too!!
skillz u are an idiot. floyd came in at the noraml welterweight weight because it the normal fu kin weight. it was a catch weight moron. do you know what that means. on top of that, boxers are blood tested before fights all the time, we dont hear about it becuase its normal u idiot. when a fight like manny, p4p #1 right now, refuses, it makes the news. floyd is not demanding guy, its in the contract. get a clue. for a guy who has been a fan a boxing, you sure as f uk dont sound like it. how can you defent pacman here.
I agree Frankie, hell for just $10 Million, I will take 3 tests and as ass whoopin by the Klitschkos!
on top of everything else, who in their right mind would refuse a blood test for 30-50 mil. Hell id take one for 100 bucks
If Manny was on the juice, pay attention to his size should this fight happen! He will be noticeably smaller!!!
I know steroids, HGH, and the effect on the human body. If all is true, and thats “If” guys,,, Manny will enter the fight waaayy below the 147 lb limit. More like 139 to 141!
He will get killed by a bigger, stronger Man!!!
@RWill, I completely agree!!!The way this has taken off in the media, Manny Pacquiao has no choice but to take the test and comply wih the standards of this organization. Now his legacy is being questioned.
Either he compies, or cancel the fight.
IMHO, Manny is a user and thought he could get away with this in the biggest fight in boxing history! Psychologically, he will probably get bounced by Mayweather in the worst fashion he has ever experienced!
This comes from a person that was for neither fighter up to this point!
also skillz, the blood test was in the contract, no all of a sudden manny and roach say sorry we decided not to take a blood test? come on guy
obviously skillz you are new to boxing. floyd s fight with marquez was a catch weight, floyd wanting to come in at the normal welterweight weight is nothing surprising. floyd has kept his weight in “check” for his whole carrer. that was just a smart move for him. he coulda easily lost 2 pounds, he just didnt need to for that fight. How can you be sure that hatton or DLH didnt take a blood test prior to the fight? we dont hear about it unless the fighter refuses right? and why would they need torefuse a blood test? it shouldnt matter anyway. I dont know what you mean with all of floyds rules. Your mad at him for asking another fighter to take a blood test. How can you sit there and say anyway that manny doesnt looked juiced. Like i said i hope he is not, but how will we know. all we can do for now is assume, and when he refuses with dumb excuses, you start to wonder why
For the record, the scientific bodies that be,know for a fact that it is more reliable and accurate to test the blood, rather than the urine in HGH test:
“According to the overwhelming majority of international experts, the blood matrix is the most reliable matrix for the detection of hGH.”
So take that…. And seeing there are many masking methods for hormones and HGH, would`nt you want to be sure. be honset…. An Manny is not a freak of nature, he is a drug user more than likely. If not take the Damn Test! Plain and simple
bluedog, tyson was a smaller guy, the same way pacman is smaller. pacman wants to fight the best, if they can both make 147, then why cry
@Skillz
I agree the demand should have come from the sanctioning bodies and boxing commissions rather than Floyd’s camp, but regardless, the cat is out of the bag and Manny should submit to the testing procedures. it will be good for boxing, set a good precedent for the future and there is no longer any excuse not too.
Give me a break Pacheads…get this behind us and push for the test.
how can any of you defend pac because of the fact that he is refusing to do something that just about every other sportsman or woman has to do we will never see this fight happen
@Skillz and GiftOJab
You’re on a losing battle and the wrong side of history my friends. Olympic style drug testing should be the norm and i predict it will be the norm. There is nothing wrong with any camp demanding the same conditions that all other athletes are subjected too. This is a good thing for boxing so i don’t get what you are arguing against? is it just the fact that your hatred for Floyd has blinded to you from what is a good thing for the sport?
Oh, and GiftOjab – grow up mate – just because somebody offers an alternative opinion than your own doesn’t mean you have to resort to childish name calling does it?????
sorry frank car, my frank c. is my same intials as well,
FLOYD IS AFRAID OF A SMALLER GUY, HE IS AFRAID CAUSE HE IS A GREAT BOXER BUT HE IS NO FIGHTER. CAN U IMAGINE DURAN, HAGLER, HEARNS, TYSON, MARCIANO, FRAZIER, CHAVEZ, OLD MONGOOSE MOOORE, AND OTHERS REAL “FIGHTERS” MAKING OUT EXCUSES TO FIGHT A MUCH SMALLER FIGHTER?
@Dean the bottom line is that mayweather talks a lot of sh** and that is why people do not like him and so that is why everything he says people look @ closer.
Don’t be confused that because someone uses the name Frank, they are the writer.
Paquiao’s people should have never said that he is scared of needles because paquiao does have tattoos. Question? can’t they detect the same things on urine?
i have a hard time seeing how real boxing fans have a problem with manny taking a blood test. floyd would be taking the same blood test. this is just crazy. nothing is going to change 6 weeks prior
when floyd fought chicken delahoya , oscars people made all the demands . size of ring , size of gloves , the fighting weight and more ..oh and oscar came in heavier !!no crying from floyds camp like bob arum is now ..floyd just gave an a#% whooping !! my point is alot of people have been demanding alot out of floyd but when he wants anything its “controversial”.. how come nobody brought up oscars weight or hattons or any other fighters that were naturally bigger than floyd?? just accept the fact floyd wants to be 100 percent sure of an even playing field , nothing more.oh and floyd will dominate and manny will get desperate and get ktfo in the late rounds !!believe it !!
@etnad, you must be a 12 year old, Pinoy because the point of all of this is for both men to enter the ring equally, then let the best man win!
No excuses, no clouds of doubt, 2 men fighting andgoing to war on the same battlefield.
I am and will be forever in wonderment about the logic of Pacheads.
Swinger..you made some very valid points. The bottom line is both guys would be subjected to the SAME testing! I have pretty much had it with these over the top Pac fans. I’m a fan of him too but some of these people are blinded from reason.
PBF wanted to fight Pac by May, Pac say let’s do it March!
PBF wanted 50-50 Pac ok…
PBF wanted blood test Pac say weeks before and after fight..
NEXT?
PBF say broken ribs during training…
Why PBF making this fight complicated? He never demanded like this with anybody else. Remember they took blood from Pac against Morales before the fight. Pac lost no drugs found. They can take the blood after the fight and if Pac is positive then PBF will get everything this should be the agreement. No excuses for both!
If anyone on here, physicians included, that can tell me that a teaspoon of blood can weaken a world class athlete 3 weeks, or even two days prior to an event please do???
HGH clears your body within 48 hours after it is injected and consumed. Don’t you find it curious that this is the window Freddie Roach is asking for?
I tell you all, if Roach, Ariza, and Manny are found guilty in any way, I think Cotto should be given back his belt #1, and Manny, Roach and Ariza should be banned from the sport of boxing for “Life”, or a time decided upon by a higher court of justice.
If Manny doesn’t agree, all respoect for him and any contribution he has made to the sport of boxing that I love, is forever tarneshed.
swinger has done nothing but list facts guy, dont be mad because you know that its fu kin stupid and suspicous for manny to avoid this simple blood test
@GiftOjab
How can I be a PBF nuthugger when I have always stated I am a BOXING fan. I actually prefer watching exciting fights like those involving Pacquiao rather than mayweathers?
My argument was that there is no excuse for manny not to submit to Olympic style testing beased on the weakness argument as this is nonsense and unproven. testing is a good thing, are you denying that?
check this link out and tell me if it weakens elite athletes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/…/olympics/…/Beijing-Games-waits-for-all-clear-on-Usain-Bolts-world-record-run—Olympics.html
giftojab, please jump off that manny bandwagon. how can you even argue this. this is roach trying to duck floyd.
and please dont try to argue that 48hrs isnt enough time to get back to 100% just by taking a simple blood test. especially after training is over
@Skillz
I get what you are saying, but where has the Mayweather camp demanded blood 48 hours prior to the fight? they have demanded the US anti doping agency test both athletes under their olympic style conditions, which means random, unannounced testing at any period ! Manny’s camp are reluctant to give blood upto 6 WEEKS prior to the fight. The fact is, all other Elite athletes are subject to these conditions, boxing should be no different and the weakening argument is ineffective.
i thought he was supposed to do the blood test 6-8 weeks prior to the fight tho
skillz, 48 hrs prior, fighters arnt training anymore, the stop training up to a week before the fight sometime
mannys lost more blood in a fight then he will have to give for the damn test and he didnt seem weaker during the fight in any way. just man up manny
@Skillz
As I said, Usain Bolt gave blood numerous times over the course of the Olympics in 2008 and still managed to smash the world records, long distance athletes do the same, as do cyclists and long trekking skiers. The amount given is very small and all other elite athletes are expected to submit to testing, why should boxing be different?
one more thing, floyd is taking a blood test too, so i guess he will be making himself “weak” during training as well?
@ giftOjab – why is demanding what all other ELITE athletes are asked to do mean I’m tripping or make it an outragous demand ??? – as a sportsfan – I welcome and applaud all thorough testing to be conducted. I agree it shouldn’t have come from the Mayweather camp but from the sanctioning bodies but the fact doesn’t change that Olympic style testing can only be a GOOD thing and will set a very good precedent that will have to be initiated in future bouts
and you are a doctor? how can you disagree if you dont even know for sure
outragous demand….hahahah…to give a blood test in the sport of boxing…giftojab…man thats funny
@Skillz – what nonsense – how can you twist this and say Floyd is using it as an excuse when all other conditions have been agreed on. The fact is, an Olympic style testing programme should be welcomed and supported by all boxing fans, this could set an excellent precedent.
There is no medical evidence this weakens an elite athlete, long distance runners and triathletes submit to the same standards that is being proposed.
A lot of blind Filipino fans here.
If the blood test weakens Pacquiao, it will weaken Mayweather too, because they would both be required to take the blood test.
Many athletes cycle their steroids, so the stuff would be out of his system by fight night if he scheduled his intake correctly. This is why testing right after the fight is not effective.
But this is not the point. Filipino fans don’t care about logic. They know, deep down, that Pacquiao is using some sort of PED’s, they just don’t want to see their national hero be humiliated.
joe dawg, you are an idiot, first off, who has mayweather ducked? sugar shane ducked floyed around 9 years ago. He fights anybody at 147. And second, your comparison is just stupid. lets be honest here, manny looks juiced.I hope that he is not because he is one of the greatest of all time, but with him refusing like this you cant say that it doesnt raise suspision. it is completely reasonable, in this kind of sport, to submit yourself to a blood test. Hopefully this is just another stupid roach mind game, and then we can see a fight to prove who the real p4p king is.
I agree with Alex, neither boxer is a coward, both are great athletes, both are hall of famers but most of the petulance and reluctance seems to have come from the Pacquiao camp – astonishing really as we all expected it to come from the other side – who saw that coming ?
First Mayweather agreed terms very early for May 1st, Manny says too close to elections they will fight in March, then Roach says mayweather is avoiding manny by not agreeing to fight in March and they will look to fight Yuri Foreman instead. Floyd agrees to March date, then Roach says that is too early and Pacman nuthuggers say Floyd wants a March date as it will “weaken” Manny, Roach initially says it’s not enough time, they need more than the usual 8 weeks, which was good enough for the Cotto, Hatton, Marquez camps (Yet Roach initially insisted that Mayweather would be the easiest – remember the “he’s fragile commen???)
Then Roach says that Mayweather wanted the fight at 154 with 10 ounce gloves, shown to be absolute rubbish, the contract agreed between Top Rank and Goldenboy was for a 147 fight, do you think Arum would have flown to the Phillipines as happy as he was with a 154lb offer?? – nonesense.
Then Pacquiao camp demanded a $10million fine for going overweight, probably not expecting Floyd to agree, which he did, now, even though initially agreeing to the testing, he has some new found superstition?? – what is going on?? Just do what all other elite athletes do, and what boxers do and give a tiny sample to shut everyone up, if this was the other way, everyone would be jumping all over Mayweather accusing him of using it as an excuse ????
SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE; IF STEROIDS CAN’T BE DETECTED THROUGH BLOOD OR URINE WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE BLOOD TEST? MAYWEATHER NEVER ASKED THIS FROM ANYONE AND NOW BECAUSE IS PAQUIAO HE WANTS TO DO IT. IT’S CLEARLY TWO THINGS. ONE MAYWEATHER THINKS HE CAN’T WIN THIS FIGHT AND IS SCARED AND TWO PAQUIAO IS PROBABLY HIDING SOMETHING.
A small sample of blood taken has never weakened any elite athlete and is standard for most sportsmen except curiously boxers. This should set a welcome precedent providing Manny agrees to follow the correct Olympic style procedures, which he has no excuse to do so considering all the other conditions have been met on both parts, including a $10million per pound over 147 fine for either fighter – unheard of !!
In the 2008 Olympics Usain Bolt gave blood 7 times over a 3 week period whilst smashing the 100m, 200m and 4x100m world records, as well as the usual out of season testing he was subjected too.
This refusal is very strange and nobody can seriously claim it is a ploy by the Mayweather camp to get out of the fight when all other conditions were met and agreed by Mayweather very early. Seems like Floyd wants this fight more than Manny perhaps???
First of all Roach and Arum want us to believe that a man who has tattoos all over his body is afraid of needles. Elite athletes like Lebron, Usain Bolt, Lane Armstrong, and Michael Phelps have given blood before competitions and shattered world records, so that crap about it weakening him is just crap. Where there is smoke there is fire. Pacquiao gave blood two weeks before the Hatten fight to comply with the mandatory HIV testing requirement for the Nevada Commission. How can blood be blamed for attempting to erase any doubt about the fairness of the bout. You people are tripping Manny is hiding something. Arum and the people on the financial side of team Pacqiao agreed to the terms and then Roach and the people on the athletic side reneged, because they are familiar with what Manny has been doing. This is a man that was knocked out twice at 128 pounds taking the punches from people at 147, give me a break. Marquez and Morales did real damage to him at 130 pounds. Take the test and erase the doubt. Either way he is not technically sound enough to beat Floyd, his tasmanian devil whirlish dervish style leaves him open for to often against a consumate counter puncher and Floyd is the most accurate puncher in the history of the sport.
Look people. I like both fighters and I can understand both sides views. That 10 Million per pound stipulation was unheard of but Floyd agreed. I can understand his feelings on getting Manny tested. No testing 30 days prior and only after the fight? That time could eliminate any PHD in the system. No more talk of Manny being afraid of needles. He has TATOOS! He ain’t that scared! Enough with the supposed Mental Head Games talk. Boxers have to be some of the most fearless people on the planet to do what they do for a living. And to think a vile of blood no bigger than a pinky finger will weaken you is REDICULOUS! And finally NO MORE talk of Floyd being a coward. In case you forgot it was Floyd who sent his people to make the fight happen to begin with. WHAT FIGHTER IN HISTORY INITIATES THE CONTRACT TO FIGHT ANOTHER FIGHTER THEN TRIES TO FOUND SOME REASON NOT FIGHT THAT PERSON. Makes no sense(Floyd to Scheafer: “first thing I want you to do is make the fight happen so I can find some reason to get out of it.”) Come one people enough is enough. Manny, Floyd agreed to what you wanted, now do the same so we can get this started.
this is the most biased article.. are you reporting or voicing out opinion?
did manny have a drug test before and after the fight with rustico torrecampo?
Reading is fundamental. The article clearly states “The drug testing had been part of the contract for a while and then they suddenly said no.” So how is Mayweather the one dodging the fight? The hate you people have for Mayweather is crazy.
Why is everybody hating on Mayweather, if Manny is clean then except the drug test, why take it 30 days before the fight and not 48 hours before the fight. Manny must have something to hide, Mayweather agreed to it and all the other terms so all you Mayweather haters need to stop hating. If anybody can give me a good reason why he can’t give blood I would love to hear it
Umm, isn’t boxing an Olympic sport? Aren’t all boxers who participate in the Olympics subjected to this same type of testing? I have never heard of any of them saying that the blood test makes them weak. Pacquiao is obviously guilty of something. Nobody who has nothing to hide walks away from $25-$40 million over a “superstition.” It would be different if he had some medical proof that this would weaken him but even if it did it would also weaken Floyd. This is the steroid ere & Manny is just the newest athlete to be on the list. This is sad because I already had my hotel reservations in Vegas.
mayweather camp clearly is brilliant… they want to apply what happened during the 1st fight of pakvsmorales. a blood sample was taken from pakman b4 the fight… remember?
I’m shocked to hear fat head Floid talk about fairness considering he never maid weight for the Marques fight and he refused to do the second weigh-in before the fight. Floid is still a fraud!!!
Well this is what i got to say roach and manny are always complainig just like he did in cotto fight all the drama i don’t like that much mayweather but i’m glad they doing it to them roach just wanna drain the fighter but floyd is smarter i go with manny all the way but i know floyd will overcome
Pacquiao would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight
mayweather you scared py stop s because hes strong and get it on him and his dad are scared
manny has agreed you he just said he wants to give blood in january not when they want it so why the fis mayweather being a and just fight him and his dad both p
Pacquiao would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight
DreDreBeats and all other blind Mayweather fans Read my previous post as to why it’s Mayweathers fault.
Manny has agreed to all urie tests and blood tests before and after the fight. There is just NO NEED at all for blood to be taken every day. I’s just enough ploy to frustrate Manny and possibly to weaken the fighter who is going to be more active (i.e. the one that actually comes to figh and not run).
We’re frustrated because this is just another excuse by Mayweather not to fight like the ‘wiggle room’ he needed. Explain that? He thinks it’s ok to just not bother making the weight AGAIN to get even more of an advantage??
As someone else said, next he’ll be asking Manny to take a pregnancy test. He’s scared to fight Manny and will come up with any excuse to protect that unbeaten record. He fights for cheques? BS. If that were true there would be no excuses.
Lets also not forget that the Mayweather camps claims of steroid abuse are completely unsubstantiated in the first place as proven by Manny passing every drug test of his career.
Mayweather is a joke and I’m glad he won’t go down in history as a great fighter.
I am sure some of you guys are brain dead. Its now Mayweather fault this fight might not happen because MANNY wont give blood? It was part of the contract to give blood & the Manny camp said a few weeks ago he would do it but now they suddenly change there mind.
Mayweather has already agreed to 50-50 and allowed Manny to decide the gloves. How is Mayweather scared again?
You lot need to jump off Mannys nuts its pathetic.
Maybe all other sports should stop blood tests too as it obviously causes problems for athletes.
You all make me laugh. If it had been the other way around, you’d be saying PBF is dodging the fight because he doesn’t want to take the blood test.
if i were manny and knew how my body reacts after a blood test or more precisely after the blood has been drawn out of my body, i wouldn’t do it.
floyd must just keep his 100% record and go to retirement.
Pac is scared of needles? That is what Arum said and yet he has many tatoos .
Mayweather is a joke and is dodging this fight at all costs while trying to sound credible. The annoying thing is that he is doing a good job of it. Of course Manny doesn’t want to be giving samples everyay leading up to the fight. Do you know how draining that can be??? Usain Bolt gave the same concerns about constant blood samples and it would have much more effect on a smaller guy like Manny.
Floyd knows it wont affect him as much because lets face it he just wants to stand there and throw the odd counter punch.
Then we have Floyd also requesting ‘wiggle room’ when it comes to making the weight. What a joke. As Bob Arum said ‘cut the cr*p and just get in the ring’. Mayweather will never go down as a great fighter because of the way he conducts himself. Manny already is a great fighter.
it.”Pac is scared of needles? That is what Arum said and yet he has many tatoos .Mayweather, is willing to take the test, and if Manny doesn’t have anything to hide, he is only going to be raising suspicion by not agreeing.
FILIPINO – a boxer could easily lose the effects of drug use during a training camp, this is the problem with the current system. I’m not saying Pacquiao is using drugs.
Mosley was never found to be using steriods and he took a drug/urine test after the De la Hoya bout, he admitted afterwards he used steriods.
It’s very suspicious how Pacquiao is refusing, especially with people questioning his legitimacy, if he has nothing to hide…why not take the test to prove people wrong???
May I say this from my own perspective. And everything that i have seen and predicted came true. I completely agree with Manny Pacquiao having blood test be drawn after the fight or before training camp. Although, he is willingly committed to the test after the fight which gives us doubters wrongfully accusing him pounding steroids. Whatever the accusations maybe to Manny I posibbly think that he is clear of any illegal enhancement. Predictions say, Manny will beat Mayweather and the same way around with Floyd. Roach believes that Manny will knock out Floyd. Floyd Sr says his son will beat Manny really bad. Mayweather Jr style is completely different to Manny’s boxing style. Any adjustments plan prior to the fight can be made to both. It will be interesting to see who really is the pound for pound king. It will be the toughest fight for Pacquiao because Mayweather’s defense is greater than ever. Pacquiao really struggled with Marquez but managed to win because of the knockout. If it wasn’t the knockout…who knows. Between the fight with Mayweather and Marquez was great because I believe that Marquez qouted that he has been lifting rocks somewhere in Mexican mountains. But still couldn’t win.
Marquez is a good counter puncher and have punching power also but denied by Mayweather. Mayweather made him look stupid. When Manny fought Marquez, he had a hard time beating him although it was a close fight. Pacquiao struggled a bit of beating Marquez but Mayweather did not. That gives us some ideas how Manny will have a hard time fighting Mayweather. Trust me, this will be seen come march 13. Now, Mayweather can thrash talk all he wants for cryin’ out loud because American won’t support him through this fight. He needs to act like American to be supported by American. Mayweather has been in the ring for over 10years but have not fought any big names out there. Manny pacquiao would be a good one for him. Pound for pound vs former pound for pound.Hmmm…Awesome!!! Mayweather Jr will have a hard time as well with Manny. Not to mention that not only can punch with power with his left hand but same with the right hand. Mayweather will also struggle with Pacquiao’s speed and power which he doesn’t have. So this will be a good fight!!! In my conclusion, both fighters wanted to be the best but the question lingering right now is,”Who do we think is the best?.” If Manny loses, who cares he’s a Hall of Fame. If Mayweather loses, who cares..that’ll give him a loss and embarrassment. He’ll find a way to excuse himself. Trust me, he’ll have excuses like,” shoulder problem, not fighting at 154, not using 10oz gloves.” All of this will come out his mouth. As for Manny, if he loses, that would be a retirement and concentrate on his political admiration. All die hard filipino pacquiao fans will be dismayed. But at least Pacquiao’s accomplishment over the years is an inspiration and admiration to asian continent.
The fact of a matter is that Manny will win this fight without a knockout. But i still think that Mayweather jr. will too. He may not knock Manny out but he’ll just used the jab more often. Pacquiao’s got the edge as for judges stand point. He’s a favorite on this one. It will be a good fight but the winner remains to be seen.
I’d give a thums up for Pacquiao!!!
Excuse me???
Pacquiao doesnt want to give blood and thats Mayweather trying to get out of the fight. What are you people stupid? If Pac is using drugs, then stop doing it, and submit to the test. If he isnt, it shouldnt be problem.
Lets address the distraction factor… Its Manny Pacquiao!!! Mr Movies. Mr I sing in a Band!!! He is the king of distractions!! Shouldnt be a problem for him. The point is Boxing is a game of Chess and Bravado at the same time. Floyd is willing to take the risk. What do you think the logic is for asking for a drug test? Lets see if he pulls out… That means hes taking something? Which would put all Mannys recent wins into question…. That would be no different than Margarito and the wrapped hands. Stop following popular bandwagon tactics, and look at this for what it is.. I will be a good fight no matter who wins.But it should be a no excuses fight. For both sides of the ring
If manny was oing drugs they would be in his system after the fight…enough said…tey have agreed to this
The accusations were harsh in the first place from Mayweather Sr. But everyone needs to realise that the drug testing in boxing is very lax compared to other sports. It’s alrite saying we agree to being tested before the first press conference and then after the bout, but what about the inbetween? Im no expert on drugs or how long it takes for them to pass through your system, but im pretty sure that during a training camp a boxer could easily lose the signs of any drug use.
I’m not saying Pacquiao would or ever has used any illegal substances to gain advantages or weight, but with the rumours intensifying, why doesn’t he just agree to them? If he has nothing to hide and if it proves his critics and Mayweather wrong…why not.
If this bout doesn’t come off because Pacquiao refuses the drug test, his reputation will be shattered and his achievements will be questioned. Do the people defending Pacquiao to the end of the earth believe another boxer would give him a chance if this bout doesn’t come off because of a silly matter he could probably easily prove wrong? Even if someone gives him a chance after this, do you think that they won’t ask for the same drug testing Mayweather is demanding?
Bottom line is, boxing needs to introduce random drug testing all year round for every boxer (and Roach, you can’t pick your dates for random drug testing, that makes the whole random part irrelevant). The testing obviously isnt good enough, I mean it took Mosley admitting he used steriods for people to find out, the current system doesn’t work!
I thought writers here are boxing experts.. why you are comparing other athletes.. they are in different fields.. hello are you a writer… If you(writer) are thinking, is there any difference if they get the blood after the fight.. after Manny knockout the coward Mongofloyd… Mongofloyd is on his tactics on how to go out of the fight, because they know he will be knockout… golden boy knows that…
If Manny has nothing to hide then he should get tested. He needs to suck up and give the fans the fight we want!…I don’t want to get tested…wtf!
Mayweather Camp are demanding Manny Pacquiao takes blood test Olympic style (A first in professional Boxing) then Pacquiao should demand Mayweather take a “Colonoscopy” test “doggy style” 24 hours before the fight just to make sure Mayweather is not full of crap! Boxing rules and testing are already in place by the Boxing commision for over 40 years.When is a boxer’s representative started making rules change as part of the negotiation? Manny Pacquiao is the Champion he should be making the demands not the challenger.Mayweather can go fight the fighters he’d been avoiding before retiring or go and retire again. Pacquiao don’t need Mayweather.
right after the fight, a drug testing has been conducted. why, in 12 rounds the drugs traces be gone? fool chicken floyd!
are you questioning the credibility of the findings of the boxing authorities of every pacquiao’s fight in the USA?
the kryptonites (Mayweathers) learned how to weaken Superman (Pacman).
The thing is, most Pacman fans aren’t boxing fans. I’m sure if they took the test and he was on some form of performance enhancing drug, they’d still find a way to blame it on someone else or say that it should be ok because it’s somehow, suddenly a part of his culture.
I like Manny. He’s a stand up guy. I never used to like Mayweather but I don’t mind him so much now. Boxing wise, they’re both outstanding boxers.
I don’t see how one, random blood test will affect him physically but that’s not the worry. Roach is saying that it will affect him mentally. So what? That just means he’s not mentally fit. Perhaps PBF could say no to the $10 mil as it would affect him mentally?
Just shut up, take the test and get it on!
Where did my comment go?
If there is nothing to hide then there should not be a problem. WTF, Not scared to take on the best opposition but scared of a needle. Drug testing is a standard in all sports these days, so just take the the test & avoid the possible backlash! Both Boxers should be tested every week.
FMJ talking about fair and level playing field for the fighters and the fans. So what happened to the agreed upon catch weight for the fight with JMM. FMJ and Elerbie are hypocrits.
Floyd’s next excuse would be his nail was broken after an skiing accident.
We all thought Tiger Woods was “Mr. Perfect” as well. Fighters fight fights no matter what is asked of them. Pac-Man is hiding something. I don’t think he uses HGH but I would definately look into the Blood Doping issue. Lance Armstrong won races for years, and so can Manny, if testing is not enforced.
The ignorance of Manny’s fans is so laughable forums are becoming better than an open comedy session. Really tho? Why are u building up a protected fighter? Its gonna pain me when they both fight but not as much as it’ll pain you. In boxing theory, one would have to almost assume Pac-Chump is hyped up on some type of illegal drug. Now Im not going on to say he is, and I hope he isnt. But to carry power from 112 pounds to 147? is unheard of, not to mention he doesnt punch with much leverage!!!!
As someone stated, this has been in the contract for sometime and its Pac-Chump who has renigged on it. In all honesty I dont think either fighter is scared of the other but it seems like Manny is more primadonna than Floyd. A 10 milion dollar penalty if a fighter doesnt come in at his natural weight???? WTF that is more unheard of than having blood drawn from u during training. With all the BS coming out it seems like Manny is the one looking for an excuse.
floyd is favored to win. Look at it like this, if u gave a vegas bookie a choice to bet and didnt mention the names, just gave him the records and attributes of each fighter he would choose the unbeaten fighter without doubt.
Manny cant deal with a Pure boxer, Floyd is the best pure boxer breathing.
Olympic style testing is more rigorous than the drug testing performed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission and other state commissions. It would involve random blood and urine testing before and after the fight. Nevada commission testing only tests urine for banned substances, once just before the fight and once immediately following the fight.
In addition, Schaefer told ESPN.com that the sides had agreed on an unprecedented penalty if either fighter weighed in heavier than the contract limit of 147 pounds.
“We agreed to $10 million per pound, or fraction thereof,” Schaefer said. “That’s what the Pacquiao side wanted and we said OK to that. That’s unheard of. We have agreed on everything except for this drug testing issue.
Travis Tygart, chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, said a blood test can allow testers to detect use of energy-boosting synthetic EPO, human growth hormone and “a number of potent performance-enhancers not detectable in urine. . . . With a [30-day] window like that, you could dope to the gills and get away with it.”
Pacman is not disagreeing with the tests he had already agreed to one now and directly after the fight and as many uris as they wished also if it was in his blood stream anything that they are speculating and mainly its floyd snr who started this then it would be found after the fight and therefore nullify the result mayweather is playing his usual games and didnt think pac man would agree to the 13th march date so soon after fighting Cotto as he is running for congress in his home country so this is just jostling and negotiating as mayweather is weary and knows pac man has the potential to beat him why is mayweather also refusing to come in at 147 which is his weight and this is not bias as I am a fan of both fighters but not of the way maywether conducts himself with all this bulls let them just get it on and see whos the greatest
LET’S TAKE EMOTION OUT OF THE EQUATION. IF YOU ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, THEN THE TESTING SHOULDN’T BE A PROBLEM. THERE ARE CERTAIN PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG THAT CANNOT BE DETECTED IN YOUR UNRINE BECAUSE YOUR KIDNEYS WILL FLUSH BUT BLOOD TESTING CAN DETECT BECAUSE ITS MORE PRECISE. TO ALL THE MAYWEATHER HATERS, IF YOU DON’T WANT A EVEN PLAYING FIELD , THEN YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS. BOTTOM LINE FOR THAT KIND OF MONEY THEY CAN USE WHAT EVER METHOD THEY WANT TO CHEK ME BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY “PUT ME IN THE RING. IF SLICK FREDDY ROACH HAS APROBLEM WITH ANY TYPE OF TESTING, YOU HAVE TO START ASKING WHY.
I dont know why many Pac’s fans are pure haters of Mayweathers and ignorants?It was in the contrat,now Paman team refuse to do drug test.All pac’s fans find that legitime.Many trainers and boxers find the performance of Pacman make doubts bcz it isnt normal for an human.Now if Pac is a true champ why doesnt he want to do drug test?The answer is clear,without drug PBF can kill him in the ring.
Floyd was OVERRATED!!! Just go back to retirement or better retardment!
Thanks sean,pacfans are blinded by their love for manny.
they need each other,anyone that thinks their is a bigger fight than this,your love for manny is blinding you.the two best pfp fighters.it doesn’t get any better.
Pacquiao agreed on blood testing after the fight and thats enough to prove he is clean.
Its just funny because this alligation comes from Floyd Mayweather Sr. and some ignorant people are buying it lol.
I don’t think most of you Guy reading the article. The 10th paragraph reads, According to an article by USA TODAY regarding the introduction of blood testing in the Olympics “USADA will conduct the blood tests at competition and out-of-competition sites, when testers show up unannounced. Testing without notice can aid in detecting HGH [human growth hormone], which clears the body quickly. An athlete wanting to avoid detection at a competition would stop using before and event.” I know you love you fighter, but keep it real!!!
It’s too bad Manny won’t do it because I want the fight to happen. But, on principle, there is a point that where this has become ridiculous.
I could understand it if this was the standard procedure for all of boxing. But it isn’t. Whether this should or shouldn’t become the policy is a totally different subject.
For this fight, it is merely a negotiating point. Manny has passed all of his test in the past. There has never been any credible evidence against him about his.
The only real accusations have come from the Mayweather camp and what an example of perfect morals that family has proven to be.
I have to conclude that Mayweather is trying to duck this fight. Manny is willing to fight. If he has done nothing wrong, at some point he has the right to say enough is enough about these ridiculous accusations. Manny doesn’t have to chase this fight.
Nevada rules should apply. Plain and simple. Otherwise, take your fight to the Olympics which will be in London in 2012.
FMJ needs Pacman. Pacman doesn’t need FMJ. Pacman can go fight someone else a still sell out the arena. FMJ is looking for reasons to make it seem like it’s Pacman not willing to fight. If FMJ can dictate the rules of boxing the boxing is lost. Either this type of drug testing is mandatory for every fighter or none at all.If they allow Fmj to make these type of stipulations can you imagine the others he would make to get out of other fights
let me get this right pacfans.they agree to the drug test then renig.and somehow you find a way to blame that on floyd.come on man don’t be foolish and a believe anything that comes out of their months.pacfans act like manny only has to have blood taken.floyd does too.
If i were Manny i’d agree to take the test but if they dont find anything they should pay just for the hassle that they have caused, anyway its all about the money with mayweather.
If Manny passed all the drug test by the boxing commission who the hell is Mayweather Sr.
Mayweather makes me laugh big time. Chicken t.
he doesn’t want to fight the same fighter that Marquez, DLH,Hatton,cotto fought. Any Angle you look at it, He is chicken
Pacman doesn’t have to go through this no fighter ever did. mayweather has no place to run and he is looking for one. Pacman already said YES after the fight and 30 and then 5 days before the fight. MORON AND COWARD.
Be a man like Marquez, DLH,Hatton and Cotto. He knows he is already BIGGER and now he still wants to drain Pacman to weaken his power,Because of the stiff fine from showing up as overweight.
HE DOESN’T DESERVE TO BE ON THE LIST OF THE ELITE FIGHTERS. Chickenit boy always looking for a way out. lol
AFTER THE FIGHT AND 30 DAYS BEFORE OR EVEN A WEEK BFFORE.
SHOW YOUR BALLS mAYWEATHER!
I am sorry but i think he should just do the tests. I cant see how blood tests during his training period would hinder his training? I read its to do with his culture, but if it was why is it ok to have blood tests after the fight? Surely if a blood test goes against what you stand for a blood test at any time would be wrong? And dont quote me on this but dont boxers get blood tests for dieases before fights anyway? Whats the difference?
I am not calling Pac man a cheater, i just think there is a simple solution to all this drama. Do the Blood tests! It does cast a small cloud over his head in my view until he agrees to do them.
I sometimes faint at the site of my own blood being drawn, but if i had people making what i knew were wild acusations i would man up, take the tests (Pass out)and prove them all wrong!
It’s a matter of principle. That what the Pacquiao is. Pacquiao gave in to 50/50 prize, max 147lbs, now this? Forget it FLOYD. Pacquiao is surely clean, but stepping on people like you just did to Marquez… you are bad bad bad. Forget it.
Blood test before and after the fight would be enough. But 30 days prior to fight would be ridiculous, how can you concentrate n your training if evryday youre going to the clinic and have some blood test. Let say 10mls of blood per tests for 30 days, a total of 300mls for 30 days and it will take 28-30 days for your body to replenish it. They will dehydrate this fighter before the fight.
Now Mayweather is attacking Pac’s principle and beliefs. What’s the problem with sampling blood right after the fight? FLOYD YOU ARE FOREVER WILL BE REMEMBERED AS A COWARD AND WORST A CHEATER.
I dont think there is anything wrong with taking random blood tests during the 8 week or 12 week training period of a fighter…. it should be a mandatory thing for all boxers. I hope that this situation will change the way that fighters are tested, boxing is not athletics, people can die in the ring. Lets keep it fair!
I AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT FROM “PETER”:
Mayweather has no qualms paying $600,000 to cheat on JMM. It makes me think that he can bribe for Pac to blood let just before the fight or worse taint the needle to weaken Pac, otherwise there’s no reason to harass Pac with his allegation and one that is not done to anybody else in boxing. Let the test be 1 minute after fight and then Mayweather pays $10M for defamation if Pac proves clean (w/o going thru litigation & for the fight fans peace of mind)
mAYWEATHER has find every good reason to pull out from the fight. He gets one. He thinks he doesn’t look like a chicken by getting away from this.
Look, the demand was that the testing will be done anytime without notice. What if the body takes some blood samples 24 hours from the fight? It will definitely affect the performance of an athlete not more on physical but mental side. This is specially true for superstitious Asian like Pacquiao.
Getting samples weeks before the fight and right after the fight as Pacquiao agreed is absolutely fine.
The time period makes do difference.
If he is doping, that would explain how he still has power after moving up in weight, even more so. Normally a boxer has less power as they move up.
This is just a ‘free’ way of mind f’ing Manny by the Floyd side. It’s a huge psychological advantage for Floyd and it’s right that the real draw, Manny, isn’t going to put up with it.
Manny should call Floyd’s bluff and cancel the fight. I think they may up it to a week, but obviously, taking blood the day of the fight is just harrassment and not necessary when they are going to take blood after the fight.
AND ANYWAY THIS IS NOT EVEN IN THE RULES OF NEVADA. This is all to appease a retarded family suffering from brain damage from crack. They think OJ is innocent.
Sir it has to be done b4 and after coz if done just after… their monies will be held in litigation. if held before, then the fight can be called off and Manny’s career is done.
Am a big Manny fan and I dont think the tests are unfair. I have yet to see a fighter that kept his power for seven divisions. you can keep speed(muscle memmory) but power is a lil different. I say this and I am a Pacman fan.
For the sport, Manny should do it, and should respect the Mayyweather camp for being open about speculation that has bees out there.
Am sure Mayweather takes the fight even if Manny is cheating but the purse is split different(mayweather’s favor) because there’s just too much money in this fight.
Pacquiao’s issue is obviously rooted within superstitious beliefs which is a part of Philippine culture. Most Americans would not be able to relate to other country’s cultural traditions either because of arrogance (egocentric) or plain ignorance (not being out of the US). Imagine yourself being in Saudi Arabia, e.g., and innocently extending your left hand in handshake. Guess what you get out of it.
That being said, Pacquiao has no problems having the blood tests done IMMEDIATELY AFTER the fight. Now that is a very good compromise the Mayweather camp should consider. Otherwise, Mayweather is just trying to find an excuse out of the fight.
manny should go for another record 8th weight division title rather than wasting his time playing mayweather’s stupid mind game.
mayweather should be lucky to find another fight with this kind of magnitude. but i think he doesn’t care because all he wants is to retain that 0 in his loss record.
golden boy promotions is corrupt, they wanted this fight in staple center, de la hoya turf. they want to discredit manny with steroid because they are jealouse he is now seven class div-champ. so oscar can say hey manny beat me because he was using roids and i am still the six belt chump. and for floyd he is just a coward! they wish manny was a gbp stable. this makes the fight even more hype but gbp cannot be trusted they play dirty.
i’d rather see manny fight mosley/berto for welterweight unification bout. mosley is more deserving on that potential $80 million fight.
this is not about testing. mayweather will always try to take some advantage on his opponent. look at what happened to marquez.
as a seasoned promoter, i would have to go w/ arum’s decision to go find another fighter.
Mayweather has no qualms paying $600,000 to cheat on JMM. It makes me think that he can bribe for Pac to blood let just before the fight or worse taint the needle to weaken Pac, otherwise there’s no reason to harass Pac with his allegation and one that is not done to anybody else in boxing. Let the test be 1 minute after fight and then Mayweather pays $10M for defamation if Pac proves clean (w/o going thru litigation & for the fight fans peace of mind)
what a well thought family ploy. first roger mayweather makes an allegation that parquia is on some perfomance enhancing drugs, immediately after the cotto win. now they want blood drawn within intense training sessions, thus reversing/delaying pacquiao’s training by about 3 – 4 days, a scenario the mayweathers’ would prefer. go to hell floyd, you’ve done in the past, you ain’t getting away with it this time around. you either face the same pacquiao that oscar de la hoya faced, that ricky hatton faced, that miguel cotto faced, you ain’t getting facing a blood test weakened one. either that or you can go box your father or uncle.
This fight is not going to happen, this rumor has been going around since Dec. 2 the reason? Floyd jr doesnt really want to fight Manny because he is not ready to lose his “undefeated” status yet not even for 50 mil.
nothing new, floyd avoided mosley, margarito, cotto, and now he got caught in his bluff and looking to get out with his reputation intact. but now its plain is nothing but a duck.
if when pacquiao agrees to his demand he will make another problem to get out of this mess he has spun.
pacman win by default until floyd grow some balls.
good article frank, but let me shed some light. Pac agreed to the blood tests, w/in a certain time constraint though. And this story has not changed. Roach said himself weeks ago (can find on youtube) he has no problems w/the test, but will not test 6 weeks before the fight. A test after would also not be a problem. pac mentally thinks it will effect him, and if he thinks it does, then it will. Same reason JMM drinks p, makes no sense, but if they think it works well they can do whatever they want. He’s even willing to take the test 5-6 days before the fight.
Bottom line, there is no reason for the Pac Camp to be bied around by the May team. No fighter has ever had to go through this, they aren’t boxing in the olympics. Seems like a ploy to sabotage Manny’s career and a way for Floyd to duck the fight. Judging by the articles as of late, seems like the damage is already done.
the weight demand by pacquiao is based on mayweather’s habit of buying the weight advantage, without feeling the pinch on his pocket. i bet floyd has realised the weight advantage will be more costly this time around, so he had to find another trick to gain advantage and this time drawing blood from pacquiao. what has floyd become, a vampire? come on floyd grow up and accept the urine analysis results, you’ll get your blood after the fight.