Mayweather rejects Arum’s Final offer – Breaking News

I don’t think Olympic drug testing is efficient enough to detect steroid…remember Marion Jones? She was an Olympian! BUSTED!

Fraud jr and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr have something in common … can anyone tell me what it is?

whats the point of havin a drug test if u know the exact date at which its goin to happen?? it kinda spoils the element of surprise, if pac-man doesn’t have nothin to hide just accept the random drug test cuz i wanna see this fight and im sure otha people do to. pac-man is lookin so suspicious right now its like he wants to know the dates so he can have time to try and clean his system out of sumthin i gotta agree with mayweather on this one.

Flo’s legacy (40 0 0) 40 fights @32 yrs
Pac’s legacy (50 2 3) 55 fights @31 yrs therefore: Floyd is a cherry picker
therefore: Floyd is a coward
therefore: Floyd is a fraud
therefore: Floyd is a hypocrite

Mantsimela- “Manny is a good fighter, but I would never hail him as a great fighter.”.. You FOOL!! Who in hell are you?? All the experts names Manny “great” but not you. You are an IDIOT!!!! By the way, good article Eric T. Mantsimela = STUPID!

Mantisimela if only Mayweather had the belief you have in him for himself. You point out he would beat him if he was juiced or not so whats the problem?? I like sugar Shane but at the stage in his career Manny would probs take him to bits. Mayweather is the only guy who could give Manny a fight but hes to full of Crap to take it up. He cant use the money excuse as the moneys there, He used that excuse against Mosley saying it would not be a box office fight!! As if!!? So the next best thing to do is make up another excuse and that one is Manny is a chemically enhanced Drugs cheat so it would be unsporting to fight him. I suppose coming into a fight against a far smaller man 2LBS over the agreed weight is sporting!? Time will show what Floyd is all about in his next few fights and I dont for one minute expect him to fight a true contender of the likes of Pacman it simply wont happen he showed his hand and its the hand of a COWARD.

Manny is a good fighter, but I would never hail him as a great fighter. Personally, I don’t see no way in hell he could beat Floyd even if he was on steroids. Whether you like him or hate him, one must acknowledge Floyd’s boxing skills and ring IQ. It probably would take Floyd the first 4 rounds to figure Manny out; and, like previous fights, he would take over from there. I believe the only oponent that would give him a hard time would be Shane Mosley; and frankly, I don’t think Manny could even beat Shane.

The day of the fight is within the ’30 days’ of random testing. If the blood will be taken after few minutes after the fight, it is still within the 30 days of the fight. Why does the team mayweather donot agree with this? Will the PED vanish in Manny’s system a few minutes after the fight, if there is any?

Well done Mayweather you will remain undefeated you great Warrior!! Shame you dont wanna fight real fights your complete Fraud. You can fool the casual fan your cant fool the real students of Boxing your going down as a cowardly joke. Who you gonna fight next? Last time you where in this situation you ducked Cotto and Mosley and Retired this time you came up with this Blood test Circus created to get you out of this fight your not fooling anyone. Goodbye its time to Retire! even Scot Gilfoid will not fight your corner how bads that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BORING no one wants to see that fight SOMEONE make it happen otherwise boxing is going to sink further in to the dirt!

BIG AMEN to hanson for the post below!!!!

Some info on HGH (from online medical sources): HGH taken alone is actually ineffective in enhancing performance. What the studies show is that HGH can only be effective when it is taken in conjunction with anabolic steroids (i.e. steriods can be detected by urine testing). This means that in order to get the maximum effect an athlete must take both at the same time. The trouble with this fact is that as mentioned earlier anabolic steroids can easily be detected, and with a simple urine test you can already get caught. The information campaign could also lay some emphasis on the possible risks and side effects that can result from too much intake of HGH. Some of these are acromelagy, which in layman’s terms is gigantism, increased risk of diabetes, swelling of joints, edema, being more prone to different types of cancer and many others. If this can be done then it would probably dissuade athletes from even thinking about taking HGH.

Bottom line: We have boxing writers right now that are trying to say a “one way street” on HGH, however, if you look at the medical facts . . its not “conclusive” and likely much is to be learned and studied about these drugs. However, No amount of drugs will (1) improve your skills and strategy in the ring e.g. if this drug made everybody smarter or gave them a new fountain of skills, everybody will be using it!; (2) the idea of bulking up, c’mon – PacMan is known and recognize for his “speed”, not his bulk body or armor muscles. If you ask me, bulking up, would actually sacrifice your speed . . so isn’t this an anti-thesis of the Pacquiao fast machine; (3) in this high stakes negotiation where each side attempts to get the better deal i.e. Mayweather’s request was answered “half-way” by Pacquiao – 3 blood tests (after fight announcement, before 30 days and just after the fight), these blood tests are not required for professional/competitive boxing in Nevada (Las Vegas), but Pacquiao offered this. The test just after the fight, should provide conclusive and reliable evidence that meet Olympic standards if Pac took anything! (these drugs stay in the body at least a week, depending of quantity taken); (4) Let’s take a look at the messenger of this “unsubstantiated allegations” – Mayweathers camp – goodness! these guys are not the bastion of honesty and purity, heck, they could produce a reality series with their numerous court cases, run-ins with the law, tax problems, what have you.

We don’t know whether this fight will push through or not . . however, the ascent of Manny to the top of the boxing world was duly documented in 24/7/media outlets/stories that show: (a) Manny took long hours in the gym, working on a strategy, improving his right hand to be as good as the left hand i.e. if this guy was really on super-performance drugs – why waste too many hours in the gym when you have super strength? why improve your right hand, when with the aid of this wonder drug, all you need is an ultra-power left?; (b) Manny has not shown the behavior of a guy in super-drugs who is all “about me . . me . . i can do this easily”. Instead, if you ask Manny – he will just say – “I will try my best to do well, hopefully to win for the Filipino people” or “give God glory”. I have not heard any of those humble words from all the drug convicted top athletes; and (c) Finally, no amount of “Mayweather or his minions propaganda” nor articles from writers that quick to judge on unwarranted accusations – – Society and the fans (casual/hard-core) will collectively in its wisdom make their own decisions – and vote empathically with their wallets (e.g. PPV/gate attendance). That will be the definitive statement!.

Pac: Let’s fight!
Flo: Give out some blood first.
Pac: Let’s fight!
Flo: I will do the same too!
Pac Let’s fight!
Flo: It’s random!
Pac: Let’s fight!
Flo: Non commisioned! Olympic style!
Pac: Let’s fight!
Flo: You win. I give up.
Pac: Coward.

…that’s the reason white chocolates were invented! when a white man eats dark chocolates, his face can look dirty. so a black man should eat white chocolates then! … and that would be fair enough!

…accept it badweather that the pac is not human!

…..he is Nuclear!

We are all Floyd Mayweather Fans like it or not. We are here to see him get his ass kicked or see him work his defensive and countering skills. Manny you are just lined up bc we thought you were able to beat him. You are nobody without Floyd. Nobody i repeat, esp sense this cloud of suspicion is lingering over your head. Do you think we will watch you fight Pauly…NO!! We want to see someone beat Floyd so if you can’t do that clean you are completely useless. The fans defending you are here to see Floyd lose…remember that. Yes Floyd has a fan base that likes his style and another who wanna see him get his ass kick and as long as he’s winning the money will continue to come.

What advantage does Floyd get from wanting random drug testing? Especially when they are both held under the same rules. If Manny is weakened then Floyd will be too. So it’s the mental advantage. So your telling me that Manny (a 7-time world champion, who has been boxing sense he was 16) is so weak minded that he believes taking a tube of blood the size of a pinky finger will weaken him before the fight. Even though Floyd’s getting the same thing done. AND YOU GUYS THINK FLOYD IS THE SCARED ONE????!!!! He and his trainers are so worried about this fight they believe a blood draw gives Floyd an advantage over him. AND FLOYD IS SUPPOSE TO BE THE SCARED ONE????!!!! WOW, if Sugar Ray Robinson could hear this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Manny is on EPO. Victor Conte the steroid guru said it best. EPO work best when it is completely cycled out of the system by the time the competition starts. This is why Manny wants the 30 period during training so he can have all the advantages of EPO. Then he will have cycled off of it by the time the fight starts with the damage already done. He said that Mosely was on EPO in the second Delahoya fight. This guys knows what he is talking about, he is responsible for a lot of Record breaking athletes through the use if PED’s. He is also the mastermind of Balco. He said the only way to detect such thing is to use random drug testing. If Manny does not agree to the random testing then it is obvious that he is a cheater. So all of you idiots who think that it is okay for him to get tested after the fight are sadly mistaken. By that time he would have cycled off and the damage will be done. This guy us a FRAUD!!

Atong: go back to school
you dont even know what is a half-life of chemical compound…

drugs half life??? it’ll weaken you more than strengthen you.. it’ll take all your strength coz you have overused your body while in under the drugs..

One black fighter for 15 years: a last minute replacement.
What a disgrace!!!!!!
How about Bradley?
How about Mosley?

milkdud.. baseball is diffrent from boxing.. its a weekly game.. not a once in a year fight.. dont compare the 2 coz you’ll look stupid not knowing it’ll be gone in a month or so..in baseball you can have your time coz its a month long series.. in boxing you’ll only prepare for a month.. a small time frame for it to wear out.. dont be stupid, it helps minimize the questions around.. and besides copy+paste is stupid..

Jason… I Hope the Mayweather camps tells everyone that jumping off a bridge is fun. A lot less morons in here, thats for sure.

I wonder when they sat down and said to themselves. ‘How many stupid fans do we have ridin on us?’ Answer is many and you have all been taken advantage of.

ledwaba was a black champion in which the last-minute replacement pacquiao demolished. so?

Manny Pacquiao Is The Biggest fraud in boxing history!
For 15 years, and through 8 divisions, he has never faced a fellow titleholder.
Now we know why: He is a CHEAT. A DRUG ADDICT.
How many Black fighters has he fought?
Do you see him mentioning Mosley?
Do you see him Mentioning Bradley?
He is now talking about Paulie Milinnagie; Yuri foreman…
What a FRAUD!!!!!!

Excellent Read for all those who do not understand what the big deal is: Say what you want about him, but Victor Conte- the man who chemically masterminded the success of various world-class athletes while running BALCO- has a unique perspective on this debate surrounding the ‘Olympic-style’ drug testing that the camp of Floyd Mayweather is insisting on prior to them facing Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao and his camp, are balking at the insistence of drawing blood and the number of times they would be subjected to do so.

Conte believes that blood testing is vital in this instance. But not for the reason everyone thinks.

He emailed Maxboxing,:’In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone. Measuring hematocrit levels (percentage of red blood cells to total whole blood volume) is very important. For example, even without a positive urine test for EPO, cyclists are temporarily suspended for two weeks if their hematocrit is greater than 50%. An elevated hematocrit can provide a significant advantage to a fighter by enhancing oxygen uptake and utilization. This would benefit a fighter in training and especially during the later rounds of a fight.”

Some observers have been suspicious of Pacquiao’s recent dominance as he has moved up in weight. ‘the Pac Man’, who won his first world title as a flyweight( 112-pounds), has knocked out the trio of Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and, most recently, Miguel Cotto, in succession. Leading some to believe that he is ‘juicing’- meaning he is on a form of steroids or HGH( human growth hormone). But Conte believes that a blood test must be adminstered for the reason stated up above in his email.

“One, I think that increasing hematocrit levels, whether it’s by traditional blood-doping or the use of EPO, is of greater benefit to a boxer than the use of growth-hormone,” he explained.”So growth-hormone is more of an anti-catobolic agent that may help to accelerate the healing of the tissue repair process. But growth-hormone is not anabolic as an anabolic steroid. It’s an anti-catabolic agent and I believe that you don’t get a very big bang for your buck. I’m not a huge fan of growth-hormone. I don’t think it’s tremendously beneficial performance enhancing substance.

“EPO, though, in terms of boxing, is absolutely huge, both in training and as well as in a fight, especially during the later rounds.”

Conte does have experience in boxing, having worked with Andre Ward and Eddie Chambers, recently, and back in 2003, during the heyday of BALCO, assisted with Shane Mosley in his usage of illegal P.E.D’s in his rematch with Oscar De La Hoya. When asked if Mosley was on EPO for that fight, Conte answered,”Yes, he was.”

Another factor that is essential is that the tests need to be random in nature.

“Otherwise,” he explains,”it’s what they call ‘announced testing’ and I’ve historically called that ‘I.Q. testing’. So to apply that to other sports, it would be like showing up to training camp for Major League Baseball and they test you. That’s announced testing. You have to be pretty dumb to show up at training camp or at ‘announced testing’ and test positive. The clearance time of most of these drugs that are out there are well known.”

He also says that for these substances to be utilized at their maximum efficiency, they must be properly cycled and be out of your system by the time competition begins.

“Creams, transdurmals, clear the fastest. Orals, would be next. Water-based drugs- including testosterone- would be next, then the oil-based. So some of these can clear in a matter of hours and days,” explained Conte.”So if you know when you’re going to be tested a week out, you go off the use of oral testosterone, for example, you’re going to test negative. So that is really an issue.”

Accoring to him,”Traditional testing in boxing, it’s basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight.”

The Mayweather camp and Golden Boy Promotions, has insisted- against Bob Arum’s wishes- on employing USADA( the United States Anti-Doping Agency) and their methods to monitor both boxers leading into the fight( which is now in serious jeopardy). But USADA’s testing is hardly foolproof, as two of Conte’s most famous clients, Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery, avoided detection for years from this organization.

“There’s lots of loopholes. They call that the ‘gold standard testing’. I’ve said this as far back as 2004, that there are huge loopholes that you can drive an equivelant of a Mack Truck through. the USADA testing is certainly better than what is used in professional sports but it’s still relatively easy to beat the test,” states Conte, who was also noted for working with baseball slugger Barry Bonds, during his assault on the record book.” Now, I don’t know in the case of this fight, but the reason is because you’re allowed two missed tests and they can’t come back the next day because you have to be allowed a hearing to provide your reasonable explanation or the ‘exceptional circumstance’ as they call it. So they’ll just come back the next day and of course none of this is transparent. It’s like being up to hit in baseball where you get two strikes and then you smack it out of the park and hit a home run. So it’s still relatively easy to beat USADA testing and in this particular case, I do believe you need to have random, unannounced testing. To just say,’I’ll be tested on this date’, there’s all sorts of things you can do with announced testing, you can’t do with unannounced testing.”
PACQUIAO IS A CHEATER!!!!!!!!!

There are no boxing negotiation RULES people…that’s why it’s called negotiations. If there were “rules” we wouldn’t have this conflict.

I hope the hot heads will cool down and the fight will continue with Mayweather and Manny.if not it’s ok.that’s life! sometimes you have it sometimes you dont.If ever Manny fights again i hope it’s Timothy Bradley or Paul Williams who is willing to go the range 147-160 just to have a fight with Mayweather or Manny.It’s more buyable to the audience than Mayweather fighting little brother Hatton or Manny fighting Paullie which is i think have a little fan base and it is not ready to go yet to the next level and fight the superstars.
Mayweather the plate is ON! Let’s get it on! If this fight will not happen it will never happened in the future.Change your adviser and Let your promotion do the talking not Golden boy.Go by the rules.The rules which is the NEVADA rules which Ali,Fraizer,Sugar Ray,Hagler,Tyson Holyfield respected.

Im glad my fellow boxing fans are not stupid. We see through faultiness because that is what boxing is all about…finding weaknesses in your opponent. Congragulations to the Mayweather camp for exposing certain people for who they are. Names are not needed. They know who they are and their skirts have been pulled up…that’s for sho. Floyd will have to fight Mosely now unless Arum wants to back track some more but I doubt he can force Manny to fight Mayweather since that would be asking way too much. The Paulie M. thing is another insult from these a holes. Not only are you running scared from a blood test, but you are gonna try to run Paulie M. by us too. I know this past year is funny to Team Pac. But we ain’t laughin.

Manny is sueing Mayweather/Golden Boy Promotions for what….because they want more stringent testing of BOTH athletes? or because Mayweather Sr said that HE believes that Manny “is on some kind of supplement”. Why not sue Paulie and Citron also?

Because marquez head didnt get bigger

No PACROID, they will NOT “take blood to prove innocence”.
It is NOT PAC who is on trial. He is the one ACCUSED of cheating, he is the party HURT by the accusations.
The way this works the ACCUSERS MUST PRESENT EVIDENCE TO PROVE WHY THEY SLANDERED PACMAN.
And when they will show NO EVIDENCE there will come a RULING FOR DAMAGES AGAINST THEM.

Believing in accusations with no evidence is just plain stupid. if you will think logically and rationally youll see what really happening.. people just want to hate.

Well if it goes to court they will order him to take the blood test. To prove he is innocent. Hopefully they test him 2 weeks before Manny fights the dangerous, hard hitting Paul

Way to go Pacroid for killing this fight

To: Bob Arum & other pacman business advisers;

Pacman should push through with the lawsuit. Fight malignaggi instead and have a blood tests taken by USADA. Testing negative and winning over malignaggi will ensure his winning the lawsuit and he’ll have more money leaving floyd with nothing but bankruptcy. That way floyd get’s what he deserves and finally he’ll beg pacquiao for a fight just to pay the IRS.

Perfect strategy!

the truth says: “Taking random drug test is the only way to ensure the athletes are clean and on an even playing field when entering the ring.” Hey The Truth, so you’re saying that those fights in the past that didnt go through random drug testing were not clean? So all the best fighters in the past who didnt go through the random testing and fought were all on roids, not clean, and not on an even playing field when they entered the ring? That’s just not right. The truth, are you sure you are really saying the truth? The truth, you are such a liar. you should be named “The Liar.”

ITS OFFICIAL MANNY CANT BEAT FMJ CLEAN!! Why does Pacroid want a 30 day window in between test? Is he taking something that doesnt show up in the blood test after 4 weeks.

Hey Milkdud:
Don’t you understand that the GROUNDLESS ACCUSATIONS ARE ILLEGAL IN THEMSELVES?
How would you like your neighbors to spread rumors about YOU: that because you bought a new car you MUST BE SELLING DOPE?! Should YOU be REQUIRED to take your tax papers around the neighborhood to convince them?
The lack of intelligence you are demonstrating is EXACTLY what the PBF-GB gang has counted on with their trumped up charges..

It’s called negotiations people. Floyd agrees to EVERYTHING Manny wants and Manny can’t agree to the one thing that will put all the rumors to rest and get the fight on! Stop with the “I’ll give blood in January and then again in February and then once more AFTER the fight in my dressing room but I’ll give you as much urine as you’d like” crap! There’s a reason they want BLOOD SAMPLES WITHIN THE 30 DAYS OF THE FIGHT! Cause you can’t cheat the RANDOM BLOOD TEST in that time frame and Paquiao knows it. Don’t give blood in January or February just submit to the randoms in March that’s what matters OR fight Paulie (nobody wants to see this). If Pacman ducks Money, he will always be thought of as Boxing’s Barry Bonds.

since when does it take 3 to 4 days to recover from a blood test? its not like they are taking pint after pint of blood. I think Manny should stop making excuses and take the tests already

its funny to read ppl writing without any boxing knowledge… guys taking random blood test wont make you week… ask any gold medalist olimpian… I think Paquiao has something on him… a normal clean person will take the test, but why reject it? on the other hand i hate Mayweather’s attitude but he is right… if they are going to fight to see who is the best p4p king they got to prove that they are CLEAN and the best of the best…
with that said i think is about time… poor Cotto always takes the beating of NON natural(cheaters) boxers… for me Paquiao is guilty until proved…

Shut up! Manny agrees to take the test right after the fight, you people just love to talk! manny has always proven clean everytime he undergoes drug test.

Purse and PPV are contractual matters. But drug testing is already a commission matter…which is the issue and in lockout. If they both sides can’t trust anyone now, then the best arbiter is the commission then.

U dont get??? Manny is/was willing to do the test, he just didnt wanna take them before the weigh in and before the fight. Taking random blood test in such short amount of time will make him weak, urine test cant detect all type of steroid use and hgh.

As usual, bad business dealing with the GBP and Mayweathers. Nothing good comes out good from this family. Damn everything as long as they have money.

Manny is the one who ruined the chances of making this fight. Taking random drug test is the only way to ensure the athletes are clean and on an even playing field when entering the ring. I am by no means a Floyd fan, but I must agree with him on this point. In fact I applaud him for not backing down from his position on this issue. Everyone in the boxing community who care about the integrity of the sport should be suspicious of Manny’s reluctance of taking random blood test. The only logical conclusion is that he has something to hide. His excuses are pitiful and almost child like. Bob Arum is also spewing the same old lawyer BS similar to when Marg was caught with the plaster of paris. I did not believe the rumors of Manny juicing (which were first mentioned by the Mayweather’s, Cintron, Malignaggi) until he refused the take the Olympic style drug tests. His behavior is highly suspect.

That’s it then.. The fight is truly dead. Too bad for PBF he won’t be able to pay up IRS.

Lol knew it xD

dodger!!!!

Floyd should be afraid. Roach already knows how to beat him.