Mayweather-Pacquiao: No point in calling it off
December 23rd, 2009
By Peter Wells: Honestly I don’t know why this fight shouldn’t go ahead, and I am pointing this at both promoters and fighters. Firstly Pacquiao will take a blood test, next January, and will also take one after the fight. So if World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao is clean in January people will say, he’s gonna take the drugs before the fight. Then that is why he is taking a test after the fight, which means if he was on performance enhancing drugs then they would show up on the test after the fight. Obviously if he has been taking these drugs before and this time there is a sudden decrease in his performance then it will bring up suspicions but nothing they can do without proof.
I couldn’t see Pacquiao as much of a cheater, no matter who brilliant he is in training and the ring, but he just doesn’t look the type of guy to take drugs. But as people say, looks can be deceiving, and there is a possibility that we could have been fooled all these years.
Well if the fight is called off then Timothy Bradley’s promoter Gary Shaw has told Boxingscene.com that he would be willing to come up in weight and fight Pacquiao and Mayweather, while Freddie Roach would be interested in fighting at 154lbs against Yuri Foreman. And Shane Mosley would also be out there for either fighter if he beats Andre Berto.
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It’s not about hiding steroids, its about superstition. Some filipinos are hardcore superstitious. Maybe Mayweather wants Manny to not pray in the ring too. If you’re a boxer/warrior, you would know that your mental game is just as powerful as your physical game. You think praying doesn’t help Manny? If Manny believes taking his blood before a fight will zap his fighting mojo, he has a right to feel that way. For some people praying to god might be as stupid as believing you will be weaker from a blood test. Test him after the fight like he wants. Its that simple. Mayweather just playing his usual mind games for fighting advantage and Manny is not falling for it.
In response to the release sent out Tuesday by Mayweather Promotions and Golden Boy Promotions which stated that Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was “in jeopardy,” Arum had the following to say:
“Let’s be very clear on the real issues we differ on. It’s not about being tested. Manny is onboard with that since it’s such a major concern of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. It’s about who does the testing and the scheduling of the procedures. Manny will submit to as many random urine tests requested. Regarding the blood tests, he will subject himself to three tests; one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one thirty days from the fight, no later than February 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Manny’s locker room. The major issue related to the testing rests with which independent agency will administer these tests. The United States Anti Doping Agency (USADA) cannot do it because they will not amend its procedures to administer random blood tests as many times as they want up to weigh-in day and that is ludicrous.
“Our suggestion is to utilize any of the independent agencies that work with the National Football League, the National Basketball Association or Major League Baseball, since they administer drug testing for their professional athletes.”
New York-based athletic physician, Dr. Keith Pyne, a to private injury consultant for NFL athletes and those who participate in running and combat sports, told AOL Fanhouse,
“I have more than 800 guys who are special athletes who are all drug-tested. And the urine testing is sufficient that you won’t miss anything, especially with performance-enhancing drugs. So, yes, I believe that the urine testing is more than sufficient for boxing. If you’re using steroids, it’s going to come up for sure in urine. There’s no way it’s going to get through the liver and the kidney without being detected.
@ Mitch…
Floyds is bending over backwards to make this fight in his favor. 154? Why the hell should Pac fight at 154? Pac is the champ and the draw at the moment. he has no negotiating leverage here.
I can understand wanting an even playing field, but his demands are ridiculous. Never has anyone made such demands, and Pac has done more than enough by agreeing to the extra testing in the first place. Floyd is just crying because they want it their way. pac has never tested positive, never done anything shady. There is no reason to point fingers and say that he must be hiding something. That’s childish at best. Even the idea that pac is some super human is false. Pac’s normal weight is 150 lbs. It has been for his past 7 fights. So the idea that he is jumping up in weight and keeping his power is a false one. Pac is the one bending over backwards. He doesn’t need this fight. He doesn’t owe money to the IRS, and he actually has a future outside boxing.
$40 million and they’re talking about superstition. Mayweather is fighting under the same conditions. Mayweather has bent over backwards to make the fight. Every Pacman fan needs to look at the facts and look at it from an unbiased point of view. Mayweather wanted the fight at 154lb but since Pacman wanted 147lb, he agreed. Mayweather wanted 10oz gloves but since Pacman wanted 8oz, he agreed. How come Pacman can’t adhere to Olympic style testing. If you want to call it down the middle, the Mayweather camp is trying harder to make the fight than the Pacman camp in my eyes. Think about! Also, to the Pacman fan who stated that Pacman should agree to the test and get it over with, kudos. Most Pacman fans are filled with such dislike for the Mayweather’s that they aren’t willing to look at the facts and make a fair judgement.
IF MANNY HAS STERIOD IN HIM THEY WILL SHOW UP AFTER THE FIGHT…N O NEED TO TAKE BLOOD RIGHT BEFORE A FIGHT…A URINE TEST WILL YIELD THE SAME RESULTS ANYWAY….p.S. FLOYD HAS TIMID HANDS AND IS DUMB AS A POST…GO PACMAN
Mayweather is asking for sportmanship at this highest level that why he is asking for the Olympic style drug test???? Was there any spartsmanship in his part by weiging over the agreed weight on his Marquez fight?
I was a fan of Mayweather specially during his lower weight campaign. i started to question his choice of opponent when he went up in weight. But when he came out of retirement and took the Marquez fight??? I know Marquez was a conservative ad safe tune-up before fighting legit welters.
Yes, now I realize that Mayweather is trying to hold on to that “0″ on his record. so he is trying to get al the advantages (physically & mentally) before the fight. Plus get the most money out of the fight. Nothing wrong with it. But to some people, they see this a cowardice. Including me.
But like plot on action movies, somebody has to play the bad guy to make things more interesting. Pacquiao or Mayweather??? Who do you think the bad guy is?
For all we know, the is just a ploy to make people more interested in teh fight. We may be all just be audience from the master puppeter controlling the string of both camp.
Peace out
what a pitty we have a fraud boxer like mayweather, who mis so talented but is soo scared to fight a boxer who has a chance to beat him. is pacman that good that these unreasonable demands are coming up. or is frau just scared. or both?
cmon floyd, time to step up and show how good you really are. yopu know the pac is clean. or is the pac making you pee on your pants? you’re a loser before the fight even started. matther hatton? well, you’ve always been a picker, so what’s new.
Pac doesn’t want to take the test so close to fight time because he feels it weakens him. Mayweather knows this and that’s why he’s pushing for it.
Makes perfect sense. He’s always looking for some type of advantage. usually a cowardly one. When he fought Corrales, he talked endlessly on how Corrales was going to jail for beating his wife. What the hell does that have to do with the ring? And of course, let’s not forget about how he broke the weight agreement against Marquez, then refused to give his fight night weight.
And now here he is talking about fairness and sportsmanship. Give me a n break.
mayweather is running out of excuses. i wonder how he’s going to duck shane mosley if shane win against andre. floyd must be on his knees praying, doing his voodoos hoping shane will not win. this will show the true color of floyd, if he fights mat hatton he just looks more stupid to the world who demanded pacman vs moneymay.
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December 23, 2009 at 2:10 pm
@Mayor
PBF never asked previous opponents bc’se they didn’t move from 130-147 almost overnight and KO heavier fighters. Simply fishy and we all need to know the truth. If he is clean just do the test and they can fight.
He didn’t go up to 146 overnight. 144-47 is his NATURAL weight. He struggled to make the weight during his last few fights with Marquez, Morales, Barrera, and Diaz. Get your facts straight. The Manny we saw in those fights was a weight drained fighter. Which is why his speed and power “carried” up to this weight. It’s his natural weight.
so tired of repeating this. Arum is asking for a guarantee of a minimum of no tests 2 days b4 the fight. Press auto repeat and understand.
Pacquiao would be a punk if he bent to these stupid requests. Manny has never taken steroids and never tested positive. I swear if the Mayweather camp tries to imply that Manny has something to hide, then Pac should go ahead and sue Floyd sr. for slander. That would clear any suspicion on Pac and finally expose the Mayweathers as the losers they are.
Everybody saw how fast Floyd sr. said he was only joking about the steroids the moment pac sought legal action. This whole thing smells of cowardice. Manny is the champ, he does not have to bend to the requests of these chumps.
And it’s not like Manny is refusing to be tested. He is willing to be subjected to random pee tests, on top of the blood tests that he has agreed to, but will not do blood testing during training because it would weaken him during said training.
The Mayweathers are a disgrace to boxing. Floyd always talks about how boxing is entertainment. You would think that that entertainment would happen in the ring, but with Floyd it isn’t. He’s turning boxing into a freakin circus. I can understand asking for extensive blood testing against Mosley because of his history.
These requests are only to raise eyebrows amongst the ignorant public that believes their hype. Major doctors will even say that blood tests won’t show anything that a urine test wouldn’t. I swear, its like the Mayweathers think the public is as dumb as they are.
@Mayor
PBF never asked previous opponents bc’se they didn’t move from 130-147 almost overnight and KO heavier fighters. Simply fishy and we all need to know the truth. If he is clean just do the test and they can fight.
Travis Tygart, chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, said a blood test can allow testers to detect use of energy-boosting synthetic EPO, human growth hormone and “a number of potent performance-enhancers not detectable in urine. . . . With a [30-day] window like that, you could dope to the gills and get away with it.”Pac is scared of needles? That is what Arum said and yet he has many tatoos .Mayweather, is willing to take the test, and if Manny doesn’t have anything to hide, he is only going to be raising suspicion by not agreeing.
coming over from england dont let us down
Just use the hair sample to determine if Manny is taking any drugs. Do the same to Mayweather. Oops I’m sorry, Little Floyd has no hair. Excuse me.
it’s easy to say just take the “damn test”. They are not telling us the entire story. Olympic drug testing consists of urine and and blood test. From what I heard the urine is not a problem, it’s the blood test. Random testing is great to prevent doping. The problem is if they agree to it, there is no stopping them from getting blood sample close to the fight night or even the day before the fight. And Roach doesn’t want it. It’s psychological more that anything. And that is what Mayweather is hoping to get to him mentally. Actually, I am more concerned with Mayweather, exposed to elements with drug records.
ART, you are right … Manny, Don’t take the test. You do not have to stoop down on his childish and unreasonable mindset. You do not have to prove anything to everyone clamoring for a test. You will NEVER taint your reputation because you have ALWAYS been playing within the rules of boxing – no more, no less!!! Anything extra is just a contractual agreement.
why schedule the test? why don’t they just show up to thier training facilities to administer the test.
The reason Pac doesn’t want to take a test within the 30 days is because he is extremely superstitious. Superstitions still run strong in Filipino culture. He really believes that giving blood will make him weaker. Its like the old belief that having sex while in training makes you weak. Although its psychological, it still takes its toll on his game.
If Manny is willing to give blood after the fight, I don’t see the problem. If he does test positive for anything after the fight the decision would be reversed so Floyd would not have a loss on his record.
Please be clean Manny. I don’t think he would knowingly take anything but nobody but Ariza knows what he’s being given. If he does pop, I bet the next fight will be Pac and Roach vs Ariza.
which part of “the timing of the test could affect pacquiao if administered too close to the fight” does not make sense?
only ignorance and arrogance will refuse to aknowledge this fact.
the fight should be called off.
the camps are just too disparate to agree on anything.
the americans should in all their cultural ignorance and arrogance accept that not everyone is willing to suck up to all their crap.
pacquiao has his personal/cultural preferences and they should be respected inspite of the money involved.
Michael konz and Freddie roach, you’re fired!!!!!
NRF,manny gives a f### because he wants to keep helping unfortunate people in the philippines….and also he wants to beat an unbeaten fighter not like the washed up fighters he’s beaten in the past….
nepster – Yes but if the 5 tests are random, then said athlete wouldn’t know when to use them.
Thats true. But ‘after’ the fight it is too late. Mayweather has a loss on his record and Pac can retire. Pac couldnt give a f*** what comes up on tests after he fights mayweather.
He should just take the test and prove he has nothing to hide. I don’t understand why he would refuse the tests. I can’t see Pacquiao knowingly taking steroids, but I could definitely see his camp giving him stuff without his knowledge.
JR 0 yes, it’s true, there are a number of masking agents that can be used, but they can also be used through out the entire camp as well.
my cousin in the philippines is hoping he will be getting a very small portion of manny’s purse along with many other fellow pinoys, if he has this match with pbf….manny, please just comply with the drug test! it was in the contract…
why wont Pac take a test for 40 million??
Elloco: Well said. There’s also a number of masking agents you can use if you know when the test will be so after the fight would be no good.
Again, the writer of the above ignores the fact that Olympic style tests would be randomly administer during anytime between the period from (Jan-Mar) by the USADA.
This has nothing to do with Floyd’s camp or Manny’s camp. The USADA is a separate agency. They determine how many random tests, when, and where.
This test are random for a reason. HGH can be out of your body 24 hours after a steroid cycle. Most athlete take steroids while they train.
I figure that within the 3 month period prior to the fight both fighter can be tested 5-7 times, including random tests during training. All Olympic athletes are tested this way, and it doesn’t affect their performance.