Is Pacquiao too small to beat Foreman?
December 31st, 2009
By Dave Lahr: I’m not even thinking that the bout between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao can be salvaged at this point. It looks as if neither of the two fighters are going to give in about the drug testing methods, and the lawsuit by Pacquiao that was announced yesterday, probably spells doom for the potential mega fight. That’s good news for World Boxing Association light middleweight champion Yuri Foreman (28-0, 8 KO’s), who has been mentioned as a possible next opponent for Pacquiao by Manny’s promoter Bob Arum.
Pacquiao might end being humiliated by the much bigger Foreman. I think it would be a great fight if you can picture a David vs. Goliath type match up, but in this case I don’t see Pacquiao, the smaller fighter, emulating what David did. Foreman is more like a middleweight than a light middleweight, and he might end up throwing Pacquiao around the ring with his big size.
Foreman may not have a lot power in his shots, but he hits plenty hard enough to cause Pacquiao problems if he hits him enough times. What makes Foreman even tougher for Pacquiao is that he’s not a stationary type fighter like many of Pacquiao’s recent opponents. Foreman is like a bigger version of Juan Manuel Marquez, and we saw already how many problems that Marquez gave Pacquiao in their two fights.
Foreman is an excellent counter puncher, with very fast hands and huge assortment of punches. I never realized how versatile Foreman was until seeing his recent 12 round decision win over Daniel Santos in November. Foreman was nailing Santos with hooks, overhand rights and uppercuts, hammering him from every angle. At the same time, Foreman easily moved away from Santos when he was attacked.
I don’t think Pacquiao is capable of winning an 8th world title if it means that he has to beat one of the bigger light middleweight like Foreman. I think Pacquiao will be in over his head with the bigger Foreman, and will end up getting schooled badly and ultimately defeated. Anyway, there’s no shame if Pacquiao ends up losing to a talented fighter like Foreman.
If he can at least make it close, that would be a major accomplishment given how much bigger Foreman is than him. Foreman will literally be towering over Pacquiao in their fight and will have the much bigger frame and the longer arms.
Pacquiao was able to beat World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Miguel Cotto by a 12th round knockout in November, but Cotto is a small welterweight at only 5’7” with short arms. Foreman is tall, with much longer arms and a fighter that likes to fight in short explosive bursts and then get away. I see this fight going badly for Pacquiao, I hate to say it.
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To all Mayweather fans:
“I am disappointed in the sense this fight will not happen,” Arum said. “I’m not surprised. I always knew Mayweather would kill it because he didn’t want it. He didn’t want to lose.”
Arum traced the history of Floyd Mayweather Jr’s mental state, which he said is coward’s mental state, adding Mayweather will never agree to take a tough fight where he stands any chance of losing reason many of best fights in the welterweight division never took place.
He points out how Mayweather walked away from a very lucrative rematch with Oscar De La Hoya in 2008. De La Hoya gave Mayweather a very tough fight in 2007.
“Floyd Mayweather walked away,” Arum said to USA Today. “Our guy was agreeable, Mayweather wasn’t. It’s not surprising. I always felt that he wasn’t going to do the fight. He knows Manny will beat him. Mayweather’s never stepped into the ring with a guy he had any question but that he was going to beat.”
“That’s why there’s never been a (Shane) Mosley, there’s never been a (Antonio) Margarito, there never was a (Miguel) Cotto, and there’s no Pacquiao. Floyd Mayweather is a coward. He will never fight anyone that will remotely give him a tough fight. Here’s a guy who, the rematch with (Oscar) De La Hoya was a huge fight, it would’ve made millions and millions, and he walked away from it.. .. I’m not disappointed in the sense that I always knew it was going to be this way.”
PAQUIAO should win because he uses juices that make him strong like the incredible HULK
you guys are all stupid! just wait for the nxt fight!
I think pacman and mayweather should be subjected to the tests, so that both of them would suck on their fight..
XD
Dave, go on, it’s not a sin to say as what you’ve said:…is just too little to beat a rugged tough fighter like Foreman, and I think Pacquiao is going to take a beating and end up losing if he decides to fight him.. Who hasn’t! But you think Pac afraid of losing? He got 3-Losses, so waht is it for another 4th loss? He’s just human, but Great BIG Heart to go for the BEST fighters! A lesson pretty boys like maywithers should learn, simply they just keep being little bratts all their life; protected by their EGO, Promoters and running with their little di*k between their legs! But imagine that: Pac never kiss the canvass in USA! Good for Yuri to put Pac flat on his back for once….so what’s left of maywither? You guessed it, go after Yuri and declare, I’m the greatest cos i got the man that got Pac! LOL!
Many is dirty and a cheater.
Nathan – Mayweather’s camp have backed down from a lot of there unrealistic demands. As far as I am aware, the final stumbling block was that Mayweather’s camp wanted Pacquiao to take the 2nd blood test within the 30 days prior to the fight (the three blood tests had already been agreed upon in negotiations).
On 24/7, Pacquiao had a pre-fight medical and took a blood test 24 days before the Hatton bout. Arum supposedly made Pacquiao aware of this but once again, as far as I am aware, they didn’t attempt to re-negotiate with Mayweather’s camp. Yet they filed a lawsuit against them.
Both boxers and camps are to blame for this bout not coming off. But I think it was Pacquiao’s camp, especially Arum, who made this bout impossible in the end.
The idea that PACs camp asked what would happen if he fails is ludicrous hearsay that doesn’t speak of the circumstances. They could have been jokingly asking, who knows who cares. He’s willing to give blood three times which is three times more than he should have to considering his SPOTLESS record. He’s never tested positive.
The only defense May Sr. has to the lawsuit is if he had reasonable cause to call him a cheat. He doesn’t so the lawsuit will be an easier victory than the fight inside the ring with his son.
Why does Manny want to know the consequences for a failed drug test? And the last time Pac gave blood before a fight he knocked Hatton out in the second round.Run, Manny, run. Yuri sucks and your daddy Arum gets a share of both your purses. Works out great for you and daddy, you can use all the PEDs you want, get a win and Arum gets a big payday! Manny is running scared and has ran out of bogus excuses.
For Mayweather to skip out on his biggest payday leaves any intelligent fan with one conclusion. Mayweather is afraid of the “Pacman!” Manny has never failed any of the tests given before; now Floyd wants to play games instead of fight.
The Pac Man can beat anybody right now. Mayweather would have a hard time with foreman, if Foreman can keep his cool in the ring. Foreman will beat both of them if they continue to fight into 2011…
If the Commission asks for blood yes he should give it. However, if I lost my last big fight with a blood test preceding it closely like Morales you better believe I’d refuse! I’m fighting PBF not a washed up Morales.
After the Margarito using plaster on his hand wraps, a blood test for a megabucks fight makes sense.
The best man should win, not the best chemistk
I wonder if Bonds would have agreed to a steriod test simply because Clemens asked for it after watching him hit a few home runs against other pitchers before they face off?
I don’t think so. Do you?
1) FOREMAN > CHERRY PICKS OPPONENT.
2) PACMAN WILL SKOOL YURI
3) PACMAN DOESNT NEED SIZE, HE WILL KNOCK YOU OUT.
4) WBA IS A GREAT TITLE, AND WILL HOLD MANNYS POSITION IN THE P4P LIST UNTILL MAYWEATHER FACES REAL TOP 3 FIGHTER IN THE WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION.
go pacman, u suk mayweather
Sum Well you make a great point. When it comes time to put up or shut up there nothing else for you to say as far as the fight, so in typical fashion resort to a cheesy attempt at putting a gut down via a post way to go hero.
Pacqiuao has dodged mayweather simple as that, hes the one who refused everything and he is the one already naming replacement fights, not mayweather so open your eyes people stop hating on mayweather just cause thats the popular thing to do, you all are a bunch of sheeps
At 150 pounds pacman vs foreman.., sounds good! manny by tko 7 to 9rd
TSTTRIP,get out of the tree, shake and make fire.
Sum Well talk about crucifing a guy. Is there any proof he is broke. Whats the scoop IRS guy? Second when has Jr. ever openly said Manny is on PEDS? The lawsuit is only valid against Sr. who is the only one to out right say he does. Another why isn’t Malanaggi mentioned in the lawsuit then he openly accused Manny. Nope instead he has been lined up as a possible competitor. Oh and also a guy in the Top Rank camp Cotto has blasted Manny on record for this. All Floyd wanted was insurance which Manny failed to provide.
At this time, I’m in favor of Manny’s fighting anybody but Mayweather Jr. just to punish this these loudmouths family and deprive them the 40 mils. Jr. will not be able to pay the IRS, Las Vegas casinos and house and cars repossessed? Good for him. Ultimately he will go to jail. Good for him! That’s the penalty for “crucifying” an innocent man! Go to Hell!!!
Pacquiao will beat Foreman, but Pacquiao needs to take a drug test, so that his legacy will not be ruin. Think about Barry Bonds. Why wouldn’t Pacquiao take a drug test? This will always come up in the future. This is a mega fight with a huge payday, and if you beat Mayweather there is no doubt that you are the best.
Go Pacman, give Mayweather and his cohots give them a lesson of rumor mongering.
I don’t care what anyone says, if Roach and Pacquiao face Foreman next and win, he gets credit for beating a bigger guy and that is it. I’m a big Pacman fan, but this is the most obvious cherrypick and easy route to another World Title in another weight class. When I say easy route, im not saying I don’t rate Foreman, he’s a World Champion, but as far as I know he is the least experienced World Champion in the 154lbs weight class. Mayweather gets a lot of flack for “cherrypicking” his opponents, but the same people then go onto defend Pacquiao.
This wouldn’t be a legitimate world title win for me in my opinion, same goes for the Diaz win. A boxer moving up weight classes should either defend the new World Title they have won, or take on the Number One in the division, otherwise whats the point?…
A couple of years down the line we are going to see someone surpass what Pacquaio has achieved, not because said boxer is better, but because they are going to be able to cherrypick from numerous world titles as they move up the weight classes. Have one World Title in each division, and reduce the number of weight classes. Then we will see who is the best in each division.
Sifufor… Foreman is a champ in professional boxing. Thousands of boxers out there can’t even make a good win. You can’t underestimate a champ. A champ is a champ. If you think he’s nothing why won’t you fight with a head gear and Foreman without a head gear. I think he could kick your ass.
Stupid fight you couldn’t pay me to watch this scrimmage! PAC is looking for a trinket here. Maybe they should contract the fight for 148; sounds like a good idea Freddy!
You must be kdding. Foreman doesn’t pack a punch! Only 8 KO’s in 25 fights. He is not as tough as you make him be. Santos himself is just an average fighter. He was easy picking. Foreman is a good boxer, but not in Pacquiao’s class. The 4 inch difference in height is insignificant. Dela Hoya is 5’10 1/2″ tall. We saw what Pacquiao did to him. Pacquiao would simply demolish Foreman.
Dave:
Your article and knowledge on the matter feels a bit out of date, it’s 2010 and MP’s moved on dude? Gee, even us lowly, non-expert Pacfans have more info on current fighter forms than you do.
C’mon man, give us some evidence that your a ‘real’ boxing analyst. This crap you just put up could’ve been cut and pasted from Pac’s previous other fights.
foreman has the reach and height advantage but if pac fights in spurts on the inside instead of working off his jab he will land some good blows. Then come round 56789 and he lands his jab and every other punch he throws at will, similar to what he did against De La Hoya. Foreman hasn’t fought to many flurry in and out fighters like pac, whereas pac has dealt with opponents with a bigger height and reach advantage in the past.
A real test for pacman would have been against mayweather. I could not pick that fight
this is super cherry picking why not fight felix sturm at a catchweight after he ko’s foreman pac has to fight some guys of substance in his own division tho i like him he can hardly say no to a drugs test and carry on
If Pacquiao stayed in 1 division and defended his title we’d see a bunch of 2 round KO’s. If you are a heavyweight you will defend, but if you keep getting bigger may as well add another belt!
PAC is always getting better. The last time he lost he learned so much. Watching him early in his career he threw left after left. He paid the price.
These days he is using his jab, moving his feet/head, and maximizing on his speed and power.
I think PAC can take Foreman. Foreman will not stop the straight left. Being taller like De La Hoya makes blocking that left even tougher because it’s coming from beneath the elbows.
I like Yuri, but if I were him I’d avoid PAC.
This fight is just another case of “Greed Driven” Bob Arum wanting to double dip again. Both fighters are under contract with him so he makes money off of both fighters. I would much rather see MP fight any of the champs at 140lbs.
ROBERTO DURAN 5´7 VS IRAN BARKLEY 6´1 WBC MIDLEWEIGHT 1989, DURAN WINS SD12. ITS NOT ABOUT SIZE, ITS ABOUT SKILLS, COURAGE, HEART.
yuri foreman that dude s u x , hes to slow and gets hit too much, bring on paul williams instead pac will still ko him!
generalsantos… you’re calling Pacquiao greedy? Did you know he dump probably $40 million a fight with Mayweather? If he’s greedy he would just agree with all the stupid blood test request from the Mayweather’s camp. He stand with his principle than NSAC should be dealing with the sports regarding rules & disqualifications for the fighters not a dictate from the Mayweather’s camp. You talked like Schaefer. He doesn’t want Mosley to have blood test because he’s not a cheater but everybody knew that he cheated before and he demanded Pacquiao to do the same blood test Zab Judah’s request with Mosley. I’m proud with Pacquiao’s decision not fighting Mayweather rather than taking the fight from a dictate from the Mayweather’s camp.
Straight Talk, Dont be stupid i want him to face the best of the DIVISION not Yuri Foreman that look like any one can beat him!
Boxing Genius.. Why you’re so mad? You look stupid on your name. You called yourself boxing genius but you acted like a 16 year old kid w/out brains. Dave Lahr got a point. Foreman almost have all the advantage compared to Pacquiao. The only advantage for Pacquiao his skills & speed. But of course Pacquiao suprises everybody because he’s just so talented boxer/fighter. I always credited him because of his hard work.
diesel.. Did you really know Cotto’s previous fight before Pacquiao? Cotto was 146 lbs when he fought Clottey. A lb really make a huge difference a stronger, bigger talented Cotto? You sounds stupid making comment that Cotto has all the disadvantage. Pacquiao has all the disadvantage with his fight with Cotto than Cotto itself. Cotto has to drain a lb and Pacquiao has to gain a lot of weight to be compete with Cotto. Look Floyd vs Marquez who has all the advantage. Floyd weight 146 lbs and he’s taller than Cotto. Used your brain bro if you have one.
pacwoman cannot beat Yuri, ever. Yuri will clock his lumpia eating ass all over the ring.
I agree with el tsunami actually… no drug test, and i’m pretty sure that if he does fight FORMAN there will be a catchweight and a massive penalty for coming in over, and FORMAN will have to put his tittle on the line, but ignorant people will call it incredible and brave, but in reality it’s just the smaller man draining the bigger fighter and beating him badly. wasnt to impressed with the win over COTTO because MANNY was callin all the shots, weight gloves and penalty. WOW impressive ( yeah right ) i’m sure he would have been able to beat him without the catchweight, but in that way he is just like MAYWEATHER in that he wants all the advantages against the elite fighters so yeah this fight is supposedly the best P4P fighters. They are both the same in that they cherry pick opponentes and duck elite competitions. Plus neither really defended their tittles so those 5 and 7 tittles in different weight classes ain’t to impressive since they dont defend their tittles or move up the ranks when they go up in weight, they are just handed the tittle shot against the weakest champion.
yeess!! Let the verbal fight bet Yuri and Pac start NOW!
forget the coward Floyd!
Oh yes, the good old days. Hey, ImNoWarrior, what do you think Lamatta and Sugar Ray Robinson thought of Leanord? I think todays fighters are just as tough.
This is Pacman’s last Horrah before retiring.
Pacman has been indicating to the public that he may have only one fight left…..
Pacman will just tell Floyd to go to Ellerbe and let him rub your manboobs. Ellerbe will be enjoying it and will stick his tongue out.
Todays boxers are ALL big pussies, thats why Leonard,Duran,Hearns are laughing at this generation of boxer.UUUHHAAAHHAAAAAA!!
Foreman has no chance. no matters whatever you say buddy.
yuri does present some challenges to pac and those are challenges roach works to overcome. whether it works or not is another thing. Anyway, if pac does overcome yuri, I see the fight between him and mayweather happening later in the year. And if mosley wins his fight with berto, pac/mosley becomes likely as well if something cant be worked out between money and manny. By looking at the overall timing of everything, you can see from a mile away. For all those who cant see it, mayweather just doing the smear campaign, nobodys scared of nobody, all just politics people, dont get caught up in the hype!
Pacman vs uri foreman. Its a waist of time. Fans wants to see who is p4p king they dont want to see other fights. So. Disappointed!!
el tsunami, you are an idiot. I bet you also want Pacquiao to face Klitschko or Valuev. Dumb@ss.
Que?
El Pacman wants to to fight El Pato!!!
It’s El Pato who doesn’t want to fight El Pacman!!!
El Pato or El Agachar is the el pollo GALINA!!!
He is the one who is hiding from Pacman!!!!
Why is Paquaio not fighting some of the better welterweights instead of this bum?
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I see your point but, I read somewhere that Roach is ok with it, and i trust Roach’s estimation, he’ll have a plan i’m sure of it.
This is better than dealing with the crazy Mayweathers though, at least we’ll have a fight to see.
pacquiao should def. fight el perro!
you can work wonders with steroids!
Yo Dave,
I guess Pac will eventually lose if you say so… Not!
what happened to the way champs like mm hagler, larry holmes, tyson, sugar ray leondard,jc chavez, muhammad ali and many more champs use to defend their titles. these two clowns pacquiao and mayweather never defended their titles in succesion like those guys did and they want 40 million dollars each to fight each other…what a joke to the real fight fan! and it’s the greedy promoters fault for letting this go out of hand and shame on the many bandwagon jumpers who don’t have a clue about the sport of boxing because their making a mockery out of the sport..
DLH was 5’10″ and Manny was able to land on him. So its not at all unreasonable to think he couldn’t do the same to Foreman.
Boxing need to create a structure, or a rule, to fighting opponent, mean nr 1 contender type of rule, no picking ur opponents!! but having to fight them, because their next in line,
good point ! i agree all this people are hand picked, boxing is starting to get on my nerves, really!!!
what are you kidding me? how come he is not fighting “The Punisher” “La Marravilla” Or “El Perro”? is he cherry picking? first no drug test then cherry picking! damn thats worse than Mayweather!