Mayweather – Pacquiao: It can be as simple as 3 “IFs”
November 18th, 2009
By Rowell Anthony Maghirang: There is no denying that Floyd Mayweather Jr. has got boxing skills. He probably has the best defensive style in the game. On the other hand, we have the Manny “Pacman” Pacquiao, who nobody, in the right state of mind, can deny has got one of the most powerful offensive weaponry that any boxer can wish they’d possess. And after Pacquiao’s very impressive display against Cotto, we all can’t stop ourselves from wanting that these two work of arts meet in the ring.
· If Hatton managed to land a punch on Mayweather, what’s Manny’s chances of landing a punch?
· If Hatton hurt Mayweather a bit (can be argued depending on how each one of us saw the fight) when he connected, how much can Manny hurt Mayweather?
· And if Cotto hardly hurt Pacquiao (again can be argued depending on how we saw the fight), how much can Mayweather hurt Manny?
Personally, after I weighed all these questions in my head, there’s no denying that I would pick Pacquaio over Mayweather on TKO or KO. Which round? I suppose the answer is, depends on how long Mayweather’s defense and evasive movement holds out. And if he ends up holding out until the last round, I would think that he might just have a chance of winning by points.
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Pacman was lucky that cotto was to slow. that was the difference the speed.
im going to be the first filipino in N.B.A. history ……………
pacman will show mayweather what filipino can do
I know mayweather will lose because he suck. Mayweather plz sign the contract and pacman will
make your entire boxing career like hell ha ha ha !
i think truwelter bet on cotto…
hey, truwelter you’re a filipino alright. You’re one of those filipinos with crab mentality. I hope pacman will win in all his fights because God is with him. Remember always that there is no impossible in Him and pacman is a humble man, no matter what he achieved in his life now. Viva pacman and hell with those sour grapes fans of so and so. You cannot please everybody no matter what……..because it’s human nature!!!!
@nepster
The only reason I believe Pac can know Mayweather out is because I believe Pac only needs one clean shot to take Mayweather down. That’s why the first IF is there. If Hatton can land on Mayweather, I am pretty convinced that Pac can too. Especially with the volume of punches, in different angles, he throws. But then again, I could be wrong.
@bengh666
HAHAHAH. No, I’m not related to him. For some reason @truwelter brought his name up. I’m not sure what he was trying to achieve but it sure made me think that he was trying to insult me by comparing me to Boy.
I see this fight going two ways…neither of which end in knock out. One is…Mayweather wins via unanimous decision. He spends most of his time on the defensive, and tries to avoid exchanging with Pac as much as possible, pot shotting here and there and winning rounds but not actually hurting him…boring. Or two…Pacquiao wins rounds because he’s the agressor and the judges give him the rounds based on the fact that he’s busier. I don’t think he can land consistently enough to hurt Floyd to put him in danger of getting KO’d…as much as I’d like to see him punch Floyd in the mouth and shut him up for good.
rowell… are you really related to boy abunda? just asking man!
truwelter… are you friggin blind??? cotto was totally dominated by the pacman. even if cotto used pressure cooker, pacquiao would still make minced meat out of him. haha!!! floyd??? he’s nothing. a very boring boxer. blabbermouth! wanna ride in pacmans popularity. full of $#!^!!
@Teo
I actually think that Mayweather has got a lot to bring to the table. I think he will challenge Pacquiao’s patience and intelligence in the ring.
@Boxing Don
Sometimes I doubt catchweights because normal (warrior-like) logic will suggest to us that they should just fight the way they are. But if we think about it really how can we get (just an example and “ifs” included) a great junior welter to fight a great light heavy without a catchweight? It’s either we don’t get to see it at all or they really have to meet in the middle. As a boxing fan I would rather see them do the catch weight just to see the fight. I’m not sure if you’re not happy with Pacquiao because of the catch weight but remember he had to gain weight himself. In comparison to Mayweather’s previous fight, he made the other guy go up in weight as a catch weight and didn’t even honor it. That is the sort of catch weight issue that I don’t want to see happening. I actually think that if a boxer can do catch weights and win, then it shows that they are freak of natures because they can prove mother nature wrong. And besides, I don’t think any of those boxers who fought on a catch weight bout would think that they would lose so if they they think they can win, we all should leave it at that. Cotto didn’t make any excuses for his loss so nobody should use it for him as it will disgrace him.
@truwelter
I don’t think Cotto could have done much difference if he pressured more. That’s why Manny did the rope a dope (which scared the crap out of me watching) to show Cotto, that he can take his shots and combinations, and in return dish some combinations that Cotto has never seen.
And that’s also why most people think that Mayweather and Marquez has the best chances of winning against Pacquaio because they are counter-punchers.
Teo, if only cotto pressured pacquiao more, he definitley would of hurt him and wore him down..but he couldn’t maintain the pressure…floyd would systematically break pacquiaio down with his superb defense and his potshots then eventually ko pacquiao…remember teo, that cotto is not in the same level as mayweather..
As I read most of the replies, I wonder are these boxing fans or followers. I’ve been personally invoved in the sport for over twenty years. My opinion has no more value than the next but I would like to piont out a few points about the sport I love and made money with. I am not crazy about Mayweather but you have to repect what he brings to the table. Very very skillful, fast and highly intelligent in the ring. His defense is superb. I enjoy watching Manny as well, and I wonder how will Manny holdup when he faces someone who is very fast and skillfully as well. Coach Roach understands what Manny would be up against that’s why the catch weight BS always comes to play. Bottom line, If you want to be the man fight at welterweight and challenged. It wouldn’t be fair to all the greats in the past by comoaring the careers when catch weight garbage was not a part of their vocabulary.
If Floyd gets hit by Manny he’ll be doing the “Floyd Chicken Dance” and that will be the end of his cherry picking 40-0 record.
i think pac just wont hit mayweather maweather to fast to slik and to good you wait and see
I agree with your article. I’m not a Pacquiao fan, but after i saw his fight with Miguel Cotto and the win and the way Pacquiao took Cotto’s punches i mean wow. Cotto hit very hard. And i do not see what Mayweather can bring to the table. He cannot hurt Pacquiao. If Cotto could not hurt him with his powerfull punches, Mayweather will not hurt him definetely.
@Ancient_Silence
Thank you for the compliment.
And I do believe as well that if Mayweather catches Pacquiao off balance then he will knock him to the canvas, not because he hurt him though (I believe) but simply because he got him exactly at the right time to knock him off. And quite funnily enough, I actually believe that if there’s one person who can catch Manny at that sort of point, that would most likely be Mayweather.
Manny Pacman Pacquiao is going to eat up Floyd Money Mayweather..!
Normally i am quite disappointed with the responses to articles on this site but, not this time. Nice on you Rowell those are some interesting questions hence:
1. After his fight with Marquez i was slightly doubtful about Manny’s chances at “welterweight” but after what i saw (and say what you will about Cotto’s condition ) during Saturday’s fight i must say Manny has some unbelievably dynamic combo’s which at first glimpse seem erratic and in-accurate but after a close look one begins to see the angles and i find it difficult to think that Floyd can dodge all of it. Therefore i think Manny will land punches on Floyd.
2. Boxing is strange sometimes, most of the time you just can’t count out the impossible until its over. Meaning , on any night any man can drop another man no matter how awesome his opponents defense is. So yes, i definitely think Manny can hurt Floyd.
3. As far as Floyd hurting Manny well, i think Floyd will be able to Pot-Shot Manny but he will be cautious. The real trouble for Manny is going to be Floyd’s straight right and that check hook. When Manny throws that straight left of his, his left foot also leaves the floor. If Floyd moves to his left to counter Manny’s left and shoots that short left check hook when all Manny’s weight is almost primarily on his right foot? The physics of this kind of situation look ominous for Manny.
So will Floyd hurt Manny? Maybe, more importantly will he be able to catch Manny off balance?
In conclusion: Mayweather isn’t going to look to hurt Manny(as his primary objective), he is going to look to catch him off balance i think. Mayweather is much more accurate than Cotto. I reckon he will look to win on points initially and hope he can tag Manny with the right or check hook later in the bout.
PS. I really hope Manny will KO Mayweather although it will be very tough to do so. Money is waaaaaay over due for a reality check i mean seriously just listen to him when he opens his mouth.
@JK
Zab Judah maybe as fast but do you think he throws as many punches as Manny?
Manny doesn’t need one particular punch to consistently hit Mayweather, whatever lands lands, that’s why the question is do you think Mayweather can take it?
3rd question, I’m not sure how you don’t think Manny don’t have the speed or the strength of both Judah and Corrales, this is after all why he is considered dangerous because he is fast and strong. Ring smarts, yes Marquez has got to be the better than Manny in some way, but what’s the point? We all know that Manny won’t fight using that style. He will do as usual, relentlessly attack. That’s why we think he’s one of the offensive fighter.
4th argument, I agree to all you mentioned about Mayweather the fastest and most tech savvy fighter Manny will fight.
And lastly that’s why the 3rd question in the article is can Manny take Mayweather’s punches, because we all know that Manny will get tagged trying to catch Mayweather. But that’s what I expect, he’ll take some to dish some. So the question again, how would Mayweather take the punch?
@Ra The Rugged Man
As far as the castillo comment I understand where your coming from, but your comparing a 145 pound manny punch with a 135 pound mayweather punch. Usually wen a fighter goes up in weight they lose speed and dont carry the same punching power. mayweather and manny are the exception. So when a slower washed up castillo compares a ten pound heavier puncher in manny I dont take to much stock in it
GOAT
manny has grown bigger. his comfortable weight is between 140-145. He can no longer fight competitively with marquez at 130-135. if marquez needs manny he has to fight at 140+ because manny has no use for him now.
i believe pacqiao can land punches on floyd, i believe pacqiao can hurt floyd, i believe floyd cant hurt manny…
also i know this fight with mayweather will notlast long,, i say its 3 rounds max .. pacqiao knocdown floyd in the first for 3 -4 tyms then finishing it in the 3rd where he cant barely stand…
i believe pacqiao can land punches on floyd, i believe pacqiao can hurt floyd, i believe floyd cant hurt manny…
also i know this fight with mayweather will now last long,, i say its 3 rounds max .. pacqiao knocdown floyd in the first for 3 -4 tyms then finishing it in the 3rd where he cant barely stand…
everyone keeps saying cotto is stronger than mayweather, hasn’t cotto been down before? before margarito i can remember him being down or seriously hurt a few times. he may be a harder puncher but he also has a questionable chin, kinda like trinidad was. physically, floyd is stronger than you think. don’t forget he walks around at about 160 pounds.
pacquiao may hit him but that doesn’t mean that it will hurt mayweather. the only time i’ve ever seen him buckle was against corley and corley had a good punch. don’t get caught up in the hype and think this is a walkover for manny.
rowell, paano ka napunta sa pag susulat dito? Tipong pang the buzz ka? ha ha ha
floyd wants hatton – matthew hatton.
mayweather is completely different from all of pacmans last opponets he wont stand in front of him all night like marquez, like hatton, like cotto. hell have to look for him
Hatton hurt May? When? May has been hit by hard punchers over his entire career. Now ask yourself these questions:
1) Can Manny hit Floyd with more than one punch at a time? Before you answer this question, check the Zab Judah fight. Zab couldn’t and he is just as fast if not faster than Manny and taller with longer reach.
2) What punch does Manny have in his arsenal that can routinely land on Floyd? His left lead? Again, see the Judah fight. The left hook? Floyd is almost NEVER hit with a flush left hook, southpaw or otherwise. The right hook? Again, almost never.
3) Is Manny the fastest fighter Floyd has ever faced? The hardest puncher? Nope. Judah and Corrales. The most ring intelligent? Nope, Marquez.
4) Is Floyd the fastest fighter Manny will face? Hell yes. The most ring savvy? Absolutely. The fastest and the sharpest? OH YEAH.
5) Can Manny avoid lead rights, left hooks or counters? Better yet, when HAS Manny ever avoided those punches?
I could go on all night. There’s no reason to believe Pac can beat Floyd.
floyd will put on his dancing shoes and dance and run all the 12 rounds. all manny needs to do is learn how to cut the ring then it’s all over for floyd! also demand to have the smallest ring for the fight. but flyd will not want this figth, because it is too risky, and his zero loss record is all he has. manny already went on the record that he will fight floyd so he already called him out, but now floyd is looking at option opponents.
awhile he said manny is on steroid. so floyd is joking.
@Rowell
Does mayweather have the punching power that cotto does? No cotto’s the stronger puncher. The difference is cotto wears you down with a continued attack to the body, whereas mayweather like manny attack from angles and many of there punches catch other fighters offguard. Manny will not be hit straight on he will be hit with looping counterpunches as fast as he throws his punches.
And yes manny would hit mayweather more than hatton did and with more power. Just like hatton tho mayweather wont feel the brunt off these punches because of his superior defensive skills.
I believe it would be a great fight, but I think your selling mayweather short. Manny is one of the greatest offensive fighters off all time, and Mayweather is one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time. I think that it would be manny winning the first few rounds mayweather solving him and then winning by decision or late ko
catchweight isn’t really bad. Fans would the obvious one who would benefit. Remember it takes 2 to tango. If boxers can’t make the weight, they shouldn’t agree to it. Boxers should know better because they know how often they loss weight while in training. If boxers misjudged their opponents capability by thinking that I can still beat this guy even if I sacrifice a little of my power is their own doing. Or if the guy thinks I can go up in weight and carry much power then lose like Marquez is their own mistake.
and one more….
why does want roach a fight against marquez at 145?????
we all saw that marquez is not able to handle that weight.
they should do a pacquiao vs marquez at least at a weight of 135 or 130.
i think that fair.
@all
hey guys,
i think we should talk about boxing without any arguments about nationality
or even race,because we all are boxing fans i think, i am following boxing almost over 20 years,and i have to admit mayweather mosley and pacman are really good fighters,so is williams.
but i really dont understand why the hell they wont those catchweights.
if pacman would fight mayweather then it should be at 147.
if pacman or mayweather would fight williams or mosley they should do it at 147 too.
because mayweather can fight at 154….and he does not say lets do this fight up there…..you know what i mean…..
im from turkey but i live in germany and i was really often in the states just to watch the fights live.
but i feel really sad about those type of things….catchweights and who should get more money…..
so my offer…..lets make a tournament with williams pacman mayweather mosley…..to find out who is really the best in this era….or
make the fights at 147 the winner of a fight gets 60 the loser 40.
sorry for my bad english,if i have some mistakes.
@GOAT
I’m a Pacquaio fan and A filipino but among the 3 you mentioned, chances of Pacquaio fighting against with are Mayweather & Mosley. Paul Williams would be out of the question unless Williams want to fight in 145.
I don’t see any logic that Pacquaio would fight contenders in the 147 division. That’s too much risk for him. The only possible fighters Pacquaio could fight are those smaller welterweights who can easily go down at 145 like Mosley and Cotto, who are willing. I don’t Paul Williams going down to 145. If he could, Pacquaio can beat him due to weight-drain but at 147, Pacquaio is less likely to beat Williams due to his height & reach advantage plus its his comfortable weight.
I can only see that Pacquaio will fight Mayweather at 147 because he is beatable within 145-147 pound category just like Dela Hoya.
With Mayweather’s fighting style right now, he’s beatable, but if Pacquiao would fight the old Mayweather, it may be harder to predict but I would love to see that because it would be more exciting. After all, Mayweather became pound-4-pound because of that and not his current style of hit & run.
eric sean i agree, ul just keep hearing excuses coming out of mayweathers mouth i think none of us should watch him hes just back for the money and not to take a hard fight. HES A DUCKER AS WELL AS A RUNNER.
@quentin
Mayweather is definitely better than Marquez in that same style, but as a counter arguement do you think Manny is the same when he fought Marquez to what he is now?
Ofcourse Oscar would probably win it if it was fought at 154 because 2 years ago, you probably wouldn’t have thought that Manny will be fighting at Welter.
Manny probably hasn’t fought somebody who can match his speed just because I believe noone is faster than Manny (and I believe that you would counter argue that Mayweather is).
So now to ask you:
Do you think Manny can stand Mayweather’s strongest punches based on how he stood against Cotto’s?
And by admitting that Manny can land more successfully than Hatton and by seeing how he dropped Cotto (who is stronger than Mayweather (unless you argue with that) don’t you think that if Manny landed then Mayweather would drop just as well?
manny will hit mayweather easier than hatton, manny would be more likely to hit mayweather. And cotto left manny with a broken eardrum and two black eyes, and that was after only standing and fighting for 4 rounds. Now answer these three questions. If manny had so much problems with marqez’s counterpunching wouldnt mayweather be that much more successful? If manny fought oscar 2 years ago and at 154 oscar’s natural fighting weight who would win? Has manny ever faced a fighter that can match his speed?
mayweather is allready looking for an easier opponent than pacquiao. he will sabotage this fight in negotiations while shouting to the world that he wants it. sorry fight fans; pacquiao wants you to enjoy the sport, mayweather couldn’t care less about you.
Mayweather stand to 60-40% in his favor no less no more than that. It’s a simple way of saying that he doesn’t want to fight Pacman. He is chicken to fight Pacman.
@truwelter
And I asked you as well how was I being biased and all the questions I asked you, you come up with “rowell, do you know who boy abunda is?”.
What is that???? Seriously..
rowell, will you stop whining! i am not at all angry at you! i just thought with your biased opinion writing, that you and boy abunda share a common interest in somethining, if you know what i mean?!
One thing also, at this point in Mayweather’s career, he needs Pacquiao more than Pacquiao needs him…it is simply the reason why he came back…so I feel the camp of Pacquiao has an edge in the negotiating table, otherwise, both of them may just retire and let others take the center stage.
at the price we are paying for ppv cards i wanna see some throwdowns!!! or at least an excellent under card if mayweather keeps ducking top competition.. make the moseley fight or williams like to see pac move up to middle weight there is always the dangerous hopkins, and the perro angulo , abraham. etc.. kessler
To everyone:
Can everybody reading this article go over my conversation with @truwelter. I’m not sure if I missed something but can anybody enlighten me why he would possibly be angry and start potshotting???
Mosley has already carved a name in boxing but Paul still has to…just when does Paul became a measuring stick for greatness…is he on your honest mind the Greatest? If that’s the case then Quintana is one of them!
The 3 ifs the author brought up were very valid points..in away that I thought before the Manny-Cotto fight that it will be decided as to how Manny can take Cotto’s punch…and what happened was history…only this time with Floyd, the question will be – How will he take Manny’s punches, because slick as he is, Manny will tag him at some point..he cannot run forever or shoulder roll the entire fight…
@truwelter
Whatever accusation you want to throw, go ahead. I just don’t understand why you are attacking me for this article. I did not attack you in anyway. And if comparing me to that person makes you feel better then go ahead. What makes you think you’re better than Boy or Me???? Your starting to sound like Mayweather.
I’d like to see Pac fight the winner of the Mosley-Berto bout. It will leave Floyd with nowhere to go. We’ll all ROFL at him because he can’t find anyone to fight and just retire because he’s too afraid to face elite fighters his own size.
rowell, just a simple thought, but i think you and boy have something in common..
@truwelter
Yes I know who he is but I do not know what he has got to do with this article. If you got nothing better to do than accuse me of being bias then please feel free to skip to the next article.
Thanks.
to G.O.A.T
Willaims / Mosley / Mayweather / Pacman
should fight each other. – period
I saw Mayweather got hit then hid in his shoulders, but he can’t do that to a southpaw – it s beyond his comfort and s dangerous ’cause u’d be facing the powerful left hand. So mayweather will have to stand up and face pacquiao and should one way or the other get hit. PAcquiao will be receiving lots of potshots and mayweather will run but will also get hit because they are on different fighting stance. If mayweather can’t handle pacquiao’s power then he’ll get knock out or if pacquiao will receive too much it could also be a knockout or a decision win.
mayweather should try out for the n.y marathon thats all he is gonna do if the fight gets made!! jab run jab run a couple of small combos,, run take some sholder shots etc.. you got to give it to the pacman he is really the peoples champ hands down.. he is a fan favorite of all races latinos euros etc.. his only real competition is moseley/ williams. and possible marquez?? but at a lower weight clas s those 2 make an excellent fight.. or maidana? at jr welter he is aggressive and has a jaw!! of granite and throws blows!!
rowell, do you know who boy abunda is?
Pacquiao can’t hurt Floyd becuase he won’t land solid and Floyd mau knock him out. I predict Floyd beats Manny nearly as bad as he beat Gatti. Easy fight for Floyd.
I meant break through not bread through. LOL
I honestly think this could be a very good fight. Not in the sense of fireworks but in the sense of witnessing two completey different styles of fighting. Each has their own advantages and disadvantages, and the fun part here is seeing how each one of them will come up with something to bread through and negate the opponent’s advantages.
Floyd will not stand in there and bang with PAC
PAC would have to chase him all night possibly a
boring fight with Floyd wining on points. He would not have to chase SHANE, I PROMISE!
Pacquiao and Mayweather that’s the fight boxing world wants to see and I will put my money on Pacman. I dont mind paying $65 or even more just to see Mayweather loose!
@truwelter
Yes I’m caught up with the moment because I am a Pacquiao fan and a boxing fan. If you’re not caught up with the excitement, then I feel sorry for you because I can honestly say it was a privelege to witness such feat.
Tell me how am I being biased??? Am I not allowed to say what my prediction is?? Did I say anything bad about Mayweather?? Did I descredit him in anyway??
rowell, i don’t if dr. jose rizal would like your unfair biased opinion about pacquiao….but i don’t need to answer your 3 questions because i already told you that a mosley or williams against pacquiao fight would serve better for the sport of boxing because of their styles. are you just caught up in the hype like many millions of so called boxing in a potential mayweather vs. pacquiao fight!?
@pugilist
Thanks. I don’t really like pulling out race cards because I firmly believe that we should all be equal regardless of what nationality. If it is a crime to be a Pacquiao fan, then so be it. But noone can argue that it is so much easier to become a fan of a guy who let’s his fighting do the talking and at the same time leaves his feet firmly planted on the ground.
I’m with you rowell I don’t know what truwelter means, he doesn’t make sense! he’s incoherent!! I don’t know what his nationality or race is
To everyone,
If it’s not too much to ask, can everyone list their answers together with any extra comments.
Thanks.
I am sold out after watching judah vs mayweather, pacman will beat the fraud!
@truwelter,
I’m not sure what you are trying to imply. Yes I am Filipino and yes I am a Pacquiao fan (if you have to know). I am merely stating that if the fight did occur, after answering myself those 3 questions, Pacquiao would have a good chance of defeating Mayweather. How about you give me your answers to the 3 questions?
I AGREE WITH G.O.A.T HAVE A TOURNAMENT, MAY THE BEST MAN WIN.
i would love to see mayweather vs williams and mosley vs pacman and the winner of those fights should face each other….
rowell,you’re pinoy right!? williams or mosley vs. pacquiao would be better…what do you know about the sport of boxing..not the hype game, ok!
well why is none of these great fighter (mosley mayweather pacquiao) fighting williams,those guys are nothing but crap.
the best should fight the best,why not makin a super 4 tournament.
pacmam, mayweather , mosley, williams…..what do you think?
Why you all don’t understand floyd dont
want to fight PAC or SHANE he only want
fights he knows he can win. Don’t be surprise if he offers to fight PRINCE
HAMEED!