Does anyone think Haye looked good against Valuev?
November 8th, 2009
By Scott Gilfoid: I hate to rain on the parade of fans of WBA heavyweight champion David Haye, but your man looked like utter crap last Saturday night against Nikolay Valuev. Haye put together one of the worst performances in taking away a heavyweight champion’s title that I think I’ve ever seen in my lifetime.
I suggest boxing fans watch the bout themselves, but with the sound turned down to filter out the screaming that the fans were making each time Haye would attempt one of his pot shots. I think once you see the fight for a second time with the sound off, you’ll agree with me that Valuev should have won the fight or at least should have been given a draw in this fight.
Valuev fought the fight as if he was the challenger instead of the champion. Instead of Haye coming at Valuev, it was Valuev who had to chase Haye around the ring while the British fighter did big laps around the ring, changing direction constantly. To think that this is supposed to be the new exciting fighter in the heavyweight division is frankly nauseating to me. Haye might have been exciting as a cruiserweight, but he looks mediocre as a heavyweight, and I’m not just talking about this fight. Haye looked average against Monte Barrett.
I want to see Haye in with a good fighter instead of the big show Russian. However, I do think there should be a rematch between Valuev and Haye, because I think the wrong decision was handed down. Challengers don’t usually win titles by running from the champion, now do they? Where I come from, they don’t hand over titles to fighters that wrong the entire time and average 10 punches thrown per round like Haye.
I’d be curious to see what Haye’s final punch output was for this fight. I bet it wasn’t more than 120 punches for the entire fight, if that. Anyway, I’d like to see how Haye does against the likes of Samuel Peter, Chris Arreola or the Klitschko brothers. I know that Haye mentioned wanting to fight the Klitschko brothers after the fight on Saturday night, but I doubt that it’s possible.
Now that Haye has the WBA title, he’ll probably make negotiating a fight with the Klitschko brothers an extremely tough proposition. As such, I doubt Haye will get a fight against either Klitschko. Haye will have to settle for fighting someone else if he can get by John Ruiz next, and that’s a big maybe.
But if Haye is the new breed of heavyweight champions, I hope he doesn’t last because I think he’s bad for the division. We don’t need another runner. We had Sultan Ibragimov who fights a lot like Haye minus the pot shot power, and he was horribly boring. Haye is actually worse than Ibragimov in my view because at least Ibragimov was looking to mix it up with his opponents instead of pot shot and run like Haye.
In a perfect world, Haye will beat Ruiz somehow and then take on Vitali or Wladimir Klitschko. Of course, they’ll both destroy Haye and put him back to where he belongs in line as a contender where he’ll be forced to fight it out with the other top contenders in the division like he should have to begin with.
I suspect that Haye will be beaten again and again as a contender and will turn into a journeyman before long. With his 15 minutes of fame expired, Haye will then get out of boxing by the age of 31, which is his goal.
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If anyone doubts Haye’s ability…..bet against him then you will make serious money.
If you so sure of his lack of speed, skill, power and technique bet against him.
The same people who will say he’s crap but don’t back it up with money.
I backed Haye to win saturday night and won £1100.
When it comes to money this shows the true measure of his actual skills.
Haye was favorite for a reason….he will be favorite for Ruiz….for Wladimir and Vitali.
Haye had the better punches throughout – I think he was only caught clean about 3 times…
And Haye BROKE HIS HAND in the 3rd round. And rocked the ex-champ in the 12th.
He looked slick, skillful and smart. Sure he could have done more but he had a BROKEN HAND. Thats why the first 3 rounds where easy to give to Haye.
Dirrell did less and you thought he won? Scott – you contradict yourself constantly
the only parade that exists here is of anti-Gilfoid fans!
.Yes Haye fought smart but did not deserve to take the belt.If he was worth his salt he would have made it in close and pummeled Valuev with crushing uppercuts like Tyson did to Bruno.It is the most effective tactic against larger opponents.It requires skill and balls.No comparison should be made between Lewis and Haye at the moment as Lewis was the master of the jab.Bruno could not use the jab effectively.In fact Valuev is the worst fighter to use the jab Ive ever seen.When Hayes minerals grow after the next fight they might shrink like Hattons when he has to fight a fighter of caliber.Lets wait and see whether Haye is another Hatton / Hamed or a Benn/ Hagler.Pity Holyfield doesnt get a shot at him.Now there is a true legend.
Scott if you hate David Haye so much, why do you write 50 articles about him every day.
Firstly, how can you score the bout a draw when all Valuev was doing all night was swinging and missing. Valuev was the aggressor but he wasn’t effective.
Secondly, how can you say Haye is boring, when only 2 of his fights have gone the distance. And every other fight he’s either stopped his opponent or in the occasion where he lost to Carl Thompson he punched himself out going for the KO early on in the fight.
Valuev only lost once in 49 fights, which shows how tough he is to beat.
David has will liven up the heavy weight division and bring heavy weight boxing back into the spotlight. And he will expose these poor conditioned big Fat men playing boxers with no real boxing skill like Chris Arreola.
After Arreola lost to Vatali you wrote an article what would have happened if Haye was in with with Vatali. But now i’m wondering, what would have happened if Areola was in with Valuev.
Yes, everyone but you, you stupid tw*t
WEEL G IF SOMEONE LIKE YOU DON´T HAVE A PILLOW CASE ON YOUR HEAD PHISICALLY,YOU MOST LIKELY HAVE IT MENTALLY
If you’d seen his broken hand from round 1 on TV the day after (twice the size of the other) you’d understand why he ran all night and although at the time Haye’s performance didnt’t look great it was the same as Direll’s & you reckoned he won
great tactics by haye, loads of time to look good later. 3 world champs for britain and matthew macklin will make it 4. for such a small country we aint that bad r we scotty boy ha ha !!!!
lets get this into perspective. How can anybody think that Valuev came any where near winning the fight when he only really connected with Haye twice as far as i could see over the 12 rounds. lets get this right haye mugged him, the plan worked and how else can you fight a man of Valuev’s stature without being cute. full marks to haye
The more you guys take notice of Scott the more he writes.. Simply boycott his posts. Don’t respond, lets face it we know what utter tosh he writes anyway..
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118-111 for Haye using the 4 criteria for scoring pro boxing.
On defence, Haye won every round.
On ring generalship, Haye won every round.
On clean punching, Haye scored on 10 rounds, 1 round tied, 1 for Valuev.
On effective aggressiveness, Haye not aggressive enough to score on many rounds and Valuev’s aggression was ineffective in many rounds. 10 rounds with neither winning, 1 round for Haye, 1 round for Valuev.
Rewatch the fight and score the proper way (without ignoring defence). If Willie Pep can win a round without scoring a punch while making his man miss, then David Haye can win by landslide landing a few each round while doing the same.
Couldnt agree with you more.This was the very reason why Marvin Hagler retired after losing to Sugar Ray Leonard .Leonard,like Haye danced around the ring,was unimpressive fired off a few flurries and went on to win!!!The crowd wanted him to win.This was the greatest injustice to a boxer in the history of the sport.Haye did not take the title decisively.The very least he would have to knock Valuev or hit him so often with jabs and uppercuts that he could not possibly lose.The result was political.The division wanted an exciting boxer.Excitement should not be enough.Valuev spent too much energy trying to hit the faster opponent.He should have crowded Haye into the corner or onto the ropes and delivered punches on whichever side Haye tried to escape..Valuev is alsounimpressive.For Haye to be comfortable with keeping his hands by his side said it all!!Valuev at least deserves a rematch before the Ruiz fight.
I thoght Valuev won 115-113 or
at least a draw. The guy got some close ones himself so its hard to feel for him.And I felt Haye won the first 3 rounds. I don’t feel you have to really beat a champ to win,just win but Haye
got a gift.
shut up scott you loser
your a no good c**t
Here Scott I wouldnt be going down the betting shop with any of your tips you clown.
How could anybody have Valuev winning this fight? He barely landed a punch! Scott you are a grade a tit. If you really think Valuev win, why don’t you watch the highlights of the fight? You’ll probably see 1 or 2 punches from Valuev, the rest will be all Haye. And why then did you post that Haye had Don King behind him? Don was helping promote Valuev, you double tit! To top it all off, you make out in your article that this is the way Haye always fights. You know this is not the case. If you don’t, then you shouldn’t be writing about him. Oh and by the way, I didn’t see Valuev looking too bothered when the scores were read out- he was looking beaten as soon as the bell rang. He knew he’d lost, even the German commentary team had Haye winning. you’re a tit.
Nevermind, there’s always Cris Arreola for you to finger yourself over
haye will beat ruiz in 1 to 4 rounds way to fast
at first i thought yes haye well done but then i watched again with the sound off and to my suprise i saw no differance haye WON NO DOUBT ABOUT IT
i was suprised he got the decison but that says more about the scoring in germany than does about this fight
i saw his hand today looks swollen and broken and he said he did it in the 2nd round. he said it was like hitting a brick wall
haye rocked him in the 12th and valuevs never even looked like being hurt in 50 + fights
I thought Haye looked good Vs Valuev. Considering the size difference he fought the perfect fight. Whereas Dirrell the punk was the same size as Froch and still ran like a bit*h all night scared shi*tless.
He looked ok but its a sad state that Valuev was even champ anyway,congrats to Haye but other fights will tell us more,reserving judgement for now
I thought david haye did what he had to do to win the title, yes it wasnt as exciting as he can be but he boxed well so congratulations to him.
at the end of the day haye fought the fight he had to in order to beat a man mountain, no american has shook him in his boots and made him do a funny dance lyk haye did in the twelth. haha its laughable how jelous scott is. you just wish haye was american n if he was you wuould suck him off
at the end of the day haye fought the fight he had to in order to beat a man mountain, no american has shook him in his boots and made him do a funny dance lyk haye did in the twelth. haha its laughable how jelous scott is. you just wish haye was american n if he was you wuould suck him off
i’m a proud American and this is my first time on this site and i’m ashamed of ROOTS and Scott Gilfoid not all Americans think like these idiots guys
So Haye has fought one washed up fighter and one slow fighter and is a heavyweight champ, a guy like Chambers must be shaking his head.
whose shoes are the cleanest? your shoes are the cleanest, please change your foot.
whose shoes are the cleanest? your shoes are the cleanest, scott is a cvnt.
i beleive haye broke his hand in the second round if thats the case not only did he beat the 7 foot giant he beat him with one hand how many boxers you know could of done that.
There was a yank writer called Scott
Who’s knowledge of boxing was not
He kissed Dirrells winky
And sucked on his pinky
Then gobbled and swallowed his lot!!!
Hayes performance was a more realised execution of what Dirrell tried to do against Froch. By saying you think Haye looked bad with his perfect execution of a defensive gameplan you are indirectly saying that Dirrell must have looked appalling against Froch.
the write of this article is a complete gimp!
Why watch it twice if it was awfull? Also you suck
look this is bull valuev won that fight haye was running scared actually imagine what big wlad or vitali would do to him its scary to think. truth is haye talked utter trash about how he was gonna do this gonna do that then he crapped it at the last minute and continued to run all nite. if i had golden boy and don king on my side id happily run all nite knowing that no matter what happens i would be champ come the end yes folks the don and gdb are the number one scam artists in the business and thats why haye got the win. nothing else, not a good performance just money handed discreetly to who ever was judging. everyone i spoke to who watched it said they had valuev up by four not haye who was so scared i cant wait to see the klitsckos DECAPITATE HIM. FACE IT DAVID YOU NEVER SLAYED THE GIANT YOU RAN FROM HIM AND THATS A FACT.
I thought Haye looked very good against Valuev, he suprised me and impressed me with everything he did.
His footwork, head movement, speed, power, stamina and most of al discapline were all better than i thought they would be.
Now his stamina wasnt completely proven cuz he jogged around alot and there wasnt much fighting going on, the questionable chin wasnt really tested. But these are questions for another day.
I totally accept that no other fighter in top end of the division is anything like Valuev and all these things will be tested in a different way. But for the occasion he was very very good.
And hed of been much more aggressive had his finger not broken.
Have you ever predicted any fight right? seriously, its getting stupid now.
Apart from the fact he fought most of the fight with an injured hand, valuev was hardly a great watch himself, although i scored it quite evenly with Haye maybe stealing a round or 2, in 10 fights i dont think Valuev would be effective against Haye and the title has gone to fresh blood. wait to see how he fairs against more conventional opponents before dry holing him!
And why do you very rarely back Our champions despite the descisions or outcomes. I dont know who you are or your boxing background but you lack respect for our fighters, something you should never do even if you dont like them.
I was supporting Haye but did Haye do enough to win? Not in my eyes.
Did Valuev do enough to win? Not in my eyes. so I can’t complain either way if valuev had won I’d have no complaints if Haye won as he did I have no complaints. either way the author is a racist idiot with no boxing knowledge.
my last post has been deleted – hey ho that whatcha get sometimes.
Roots we were all in the bar on saturday night, shooting,cheering, happy – us all being white folks too!
you need to give him a break, are you forgetting who he was fighting here, what other options did he have, let him lay into him, and get beat, or use tactics that would win him the title, you just have a grudge against brits by the looks of your articles, look at his fight against enzo macrinelli, two heavy hitters, and haye came out on top, with a big knockout, give im a break stupid yank.
Please Scott, you predicted Haye to get destroyed so, beggining from that Haye looked awesome(if I take your prediction). Second, Haye beat Valuev by being the smarter guy in the ring, if you think he ran away from trouble because he didn’t went toe-to-toe with Valuev fine, but Chagaev did the same thing and won so why not repeat the same formula that bothered Valuev in that fight. If winning with speed and movement is bad and boring, why a lot of boxers do it, because they will win with that almost every time. So please Scott, don’t write anymore, you were wrong again.
Look, let’s finally try to help Mr Gifford actually understand the sport of boxing and what it takes to be a good winner, because it’s too easy to throw verbal insults at the guy’s warped perceptions without actually helping him out of his delusions !
So, Scott, just for you ….
Ok, how to you set about beating a man that towers over you, has pretty decent hands up close ( which he largely always is due to his freakish height and reach ), weighs in just over a full whopping seven stones more than you … oh, and has a pretty good, sturdy chin just to further add to the difficult task of making a dent in the guy once in the ring ? Uhmn, not an easy one to answer …. but, wait, there is a way : you either land a knockout blow and fell the tree or you rely on movement and speed to outpoint the guy. These are your only two vialble choices.
What did Haye d ? Well, plan KO went out of the window when we heard that Haye crocked his hand on Valuev’s large head early into the second round. So, in light of that shock, he opted to use a smart boxing brain and use speed and movement. As far as I recall in the fight, Haye made Valuev miss with almost every shot he threw from the third round on, and yet Haye still landed with sharp, eye-catching pot shot ones and twos. It takes a tremendously good boxing brain to make your opponent miss all night long … Let’s think Mayweather does it all the time and has it down to an art – yet you don’t call him a pu..y, do you ?!!
Scott, I don’t begrudge a man his view at anytime, but you do sadly make an idiot of yourself more often than not – I am truly surprised that this site still allows you the forum to spout your nonsense … unless, you are considered as light entertainment ?
As for Haye’s future, he won’t become any such thing as a ‘journey man’ …. but he will beat a fair few of the current heavyweight crop. I take him to cleanly KO Wlad but possibly loose to Vitali, as Vitali has a chin made of iron ( unlike his brother’s Bone China one ).
Hope this has helped you back to reality ?!!
you can moan about how he won all you like he won end of.I dont like haye as a person he’s mouthy and arrogant as an opinion on everybody but he sure can fight.And if u think he was running away you go get in the ring with someone 11inches taller and 7stone heavier and see if you stand and trade or if you get on your toes and do what it takes to beat the guy.Add to this a suspected broken hand and hayes fight seems justified.
This is the 4th anti-haye article by the prize idiot Gilfoid in a day.
Face it, you got it wrong and you don’t like haye because he’s british.
You seemed to love Dirrel for keeping out of Frochs way all night and hugged his nuts good and proper for doing so. Now Haye does it and he’s boring?
There was only one clinch in the fight, with a 22st 7ft monster who loves doing it. I think that is testament to how good Haye’s gameplan and implementation of that gameplan was.
If you’ve got nothing new to add Scott, please just stop writing and keep the racism to yourslef.
I agree with the previous comment… Let’s get Scott kicked out
What? Another ill-informed, bias and poorly written article by Gilfoid?!
Who’d a thunk it!?
Wow! Gilfoid gets it right. Haye won’t be around long his running days will be cut short by real boxers like the brothers.
One more thing, Haye pledged excitement galore instead he provided lots and lots of very conventional boredom. Haye is a true impostor take away the hype and you have left very little but corn rows and bluff.
Whatever Scott im sick of your bullsh1t haye almost knocked him out and throughout the fight landed the cleaner shots, Valuev looked like a complete ametuer all night he didnt have any success all night, Haye deserved to win you cant win the fight by walking forward and not landing any punches which is what the slow and predictable Valuev done all night long, thats 2 you got wrong now Scott, why do you even write about this sport?.
WRONG yet AGAIN why do the owners of the site let him continue to write
Lets all send a brief email to the owners saying either Scott stops wrighting or we stop viewing the site, who agrees with me??
He looked very good because:
He didnt get hit
He won the belt in his 3rd outing at HW
He is an ex-cruiser and he beat the biggest and heaviest ever champion
He is the first guy to rock the big guy
He carried out a set gameplan away from his usual style which made him world champion
Scott Gilfoid is a useless boxing writer!! Please give up you brit hater. appreciate a good, tactical victory please. Haye won as he landed more shots. valuev threw and missed so why should he win? boxing is about landing shots not throw and misses!!
you have a go at hatton and froch for being brawlers and not using boxing skill, you state in your previous articles you would rather see skillful boxing for 12 rounds with a proper game plan, now you state you want haye to be a brawler as he is boring… watch the barret fight to see he isnt boring you just write articles designed to rile british fans, i usually dont comment now as you delete them but you really are a grade a wum
This writer makes me sick. You ment to congrat him but instead u critize his performance. U are a wast of space and energy. Plz get a life
This article, like it’s author, is a complete joke.
Haye totally schooled Valuev. How can you say Valuev won when he couldn’t even land a shot?!?! You say Haye’s “another runner”, but it was just TACTICS for THIS fight! Why would he want to stand and trade with the bigger man when he’s got so much speed. Haye boxed the perfect fight and to think he won the way he did after hurting his hand proves there is so much more to come. He said himself straight after the fight he would have thrown more if he hadn’t hurt his hand. Don’t you think you should take this into account Scott when writing an article like this? But no, it’s another non-American fighter so you have to write 7 or 8 identical articles spewing total nonsense.
Well done, David. You’ve done yourself and the whole of Britain proud. We knew you had power, speed and style but now we’ve seen you’ve got a great boxing brain to match. HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!
Does anyone think Gilfoid has written one half decent article for Boxing news yet? Answer – No, he just writes biased dribble designed to get peoples backs up and post comments.
It can’t be long now before the Editors pull the plug and give boxing fans a break from your schoolboy attempts to sound like you know anything about boxing.
I’ll throw a few facts into the mix –
Haye threw all the meaningful punches in the fight while Valuev was made to look slow and ponderous.
Haye won a points decision in Germany, Valuev’s backyard where many others have failed to do so.
Haye is an excellent boxer, powerful puncher and just what the heavyweight division needs.
There are currently no US Heavyweight world champions and no wins by US boxers in the Middleweight super six series.
Gilfoid is useless at predicting boxing match results and just as bad at writing material for boxing news.
Looking forward to when Gilfoid finally gets the chop.
Scott, Haye stuck to a rigid gameplan, it may not have been glamorous or entertaining but he got the job done. It would be ridiculous to say that Haye should have stood and traded with a guy a foot taller than and 9 st heavier, along with his fragile chin and Valuev’s toughness, it was never going to happen but hey why don’t you look on the bright side? Valuev was never going to bring any excitement to the division but Haye will, and he will start off with a swif destruction of John Ruiz. We have a Heavyweight champion back in the West who has an explosive and slugging sytle which does entertain the fans, if you knew Haye you would know he doesn’t usually fight like that but he adjusted and now hes champ
you can talk some crap, yes he ran through the fight, he was like, to quote Sir Henry Cooper ”a mosquito, in and out”, which to be honest, is a tactic and what boxing is also about, not just about standing toe to toe, you name me another heavyweight fighter that would stand toe to toe with Valuev, beat him in a brawl, and look good, numptee!!!!
valuev best boxing ever best champion gilfoid next best champion come russia gilfoid i get you good big womans
got any fight predictions for me gilfoid ha ha keep trying even a loser like you has to get it right soon its only a 50/50 choice and please keep the articles coming my friends and i enjoy a good laugh
I watched the fight in a bar, hence no sound and could clearly see that Haye had the better of Valuev in pretty much every round. Valuev hardly caught Haye with any clear blows to the head, and failed to change tactics after slow his jab was dodged every single time, form the 1st round to the twelvth. Haye took his time and picked his shots, connecting with a good few each round, and thats better than you can say about Valuev. Therefore in my opinion, and it seems pretty much everybody elses opinion (including professional judges) Haye won the fight. Unlucky mate
i thought Haye looked horrible but Scott this is like ur 3rd or 4th article on Haye you should get off his dick
Scott you are a f*cking clownshoes
Another load of Bollox from Gilfoid.
what was that prediction you made again Scott?
“Valuev 7th Round TKO”.
Your over inflated sense of self-importance can’t deal with how wrong you were.Eat humble pie and choke on it,Loser.
haye won end ov good luck
Eat $h1t Scott. You said Dirrell should’ve won fighting much worse. Go dring bleach.
agree with writer absolutely
Good artical, it’s true.
well done ur right