Calzaghe comments on Haye-Valuev, Cotto-Pacquiao and Mayweather

cal4524545444By Scott Gilfoid: Former World Boxing Organization super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe had a few thoughts on the dull bout between WBA heavyweight champion Nikolay Valuev and British heavyweight David Haye, saying in the Southwalesargus “I don’t think you can really blame Haye [for the boring fight] for that. Valuev is absolutely awful, a poor fighter and a very poor champion.” I agree that Valuev was a horrible champion, because that’s pretty much already been established. However, I don’t agree on giving Haye a free pass on why their fight ended up to be so boring. Haye threw only a small number of punches per round, little over 10, which is pretty pathetic for a top heavyweight contender.

Yeah, I know the excuses on Haye’s part – his hurt hand, his small size and all that blather. However, I expected a lot more from a fighter that was supposed to be breathing new blood into the heavyweight division and who is seen as the savior of the division. If you were to substitute either of the Klitschko brothers in with Valuev, do you really think they would have thrown so few punches? And also do you really think that Valuev would have gotten out of the fight in one piece?

Against either of the Klitschko brothers, Valuev would have been under a constant rain of fire and would have taken a terrible beating. No way would he have made it out of the fight in one piece. It would have been over very early. The Klitschko brothers are just one example. If you had put in a top contender like Odlanier Solis or even Alexander Povetkin with Valuev, my guess is that you would have seen a much more exciting fight. Those fighters tend to bring and aren’t as shy about getting hit as Haye. So I don’t see the Valuev-Haye bout being a dull fight strictly because of Valuev. Believe me, Haye had a huge part in the fight being boring. If he wanted to liven things up, he should have stuck his neck out and went toe-to-toe with Valuev for the full 12 rounds instead of throwing pot shots all night long.

Calzaghe calls Haye’s win a “brilliant achievement.” Oh brother. Haye beats an aging paper champion and all of a sudden boxing fans are supposed to see this some great fight. Come on, let’s be real about this. How can the fight be a great achievement if Calzaghe himself says that Valuev is a “poor champion”? I don’t get it. Haye moves up to the cruiserweight division, skips over top contenders like Kevin Johnson, Solis, and Povetkin, and then gets a shot against the WBA champion Valuev after facing only one heavyweight – 38-year-old Monte Barrett – and this is supposed to be a great achievement?

Dude, Haye fought Valuev, not the Klitschko brothers or one of the tough top contenders. Valuev almost lost to 46-year-old Evander Holyfield in December 2008, does that say anything about Valuev? I saw the Holyfield fight and I think he did a lot better in that fight against Valuev than Haye did. Great achievement, eh?

As for Haye’s next opponent John Ruiz, Calzaghe has this to say about him: “The guy [Ruiz] is made for his style and he’ll knock him out pretty convincingly.” I doubt it. For Haye to knock out Ruiz, Haye would have to really bring it, would have to throw a lot more than 10 punches per round and would have to expose his tender chin to the shots from Ruiz.

If Haye goes for a knockout early against Ruiz, I predict that Haye will be the one that ends up getting knocked out. I think Calzaghe hasn’t seen enough of Ruiz to comment on him. No way will Haye knock him out. Haye might be able to win a decision if he pot shots and runs all night like he did against Valuev. However, Haye won’t win any new boxing fans in the United States if he continues to fight like this. Ruiz can be beaten with movement, but Haye sure won’t beat him by trying to knock him out. If he tries that, Haye will be stopped. That’s my prediction.

Calzaghe is less optimistic about Haye’s chances against the Klitschko brothers, saying “That’s a different story, because they are huge guys who can fight. But David has every chance.” Yeah, Haye has about as much chance to beat them as he does to win the lottery. The more and more think about this, I doubt Haye will fight either of them in 2010. My guess is Haye will try to milk his heavyweight title and take on fighters that he feels he can beat. If he fights either of the Klitschko brothers, Haye will end up losing his title, get knocked out and have to start all over again from scratch.

Actually, that’s a good thing because Haye then would have the opportunity to prove that he can beat the top contenders in the heavyweight division. I’d like to think that Haye would then work his way into another title shot by fighting the likes of Solis, Johnson, Eddie Chambers and Povetkin, but I doubt he will. I see Haye taking on 2nd tier heavyweights until he’s given another title shot by the Klitschko brothers.

About the Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto fight, Calzaghe says “Pacquiao’s fight on the other hand was absolutely stunning to watch…I am so impressed with him [Pacquiao], he just gets better and better.” It was a good fight, although not exactly a great one because it was so one-sided for the most part.

Speaking of Floyd Mayweather Jr., Calzaghe says “If Mayweather doesn’t fight him [Pacquiao] because of money issues, he should just retire. Unless he’s going to fight the best, why bother?” Unfortunately, Mayweather sees himself as a business man and is more focused on making money. He’ll do whatever he wants and still end up making cash regardless of whether the fight with Pacquiao happens. It is curious that Calzaghe would mention about fighting the best, because Calzaghe has few notable wins during his pro career.

Oh, Calzaghe may have been fighting the best in his division, but he didn’t take on any of the more dangerous fighters like Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. until they were near or over 40-years-old. The super middleweight division was arguably very poor during the years that Calzaghe held the WBO super middleweight title, and when it recently improved immensely with the addition of Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, and Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe suddenly retired. You would have liked to have seen Calzaghe fighting the likes of Ward, Dirrell, Lucian Bute, Taylor and Chad Dawson before retiring rather than Peter Manfredo Jr., Sakio Bika, Evans Ashira and Mario Veit in the last years of Calzaghe’s boxing career, wouldn’t you?


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39 Responses to “Calzaghe comments on Haye-Valuev, Cotto-Pacquiao and Mayweather”

  • Big T says:

    Scott, you know nothing and have definitely never had a glove on in anger. As usual an article bordering on the prejudice, give it up.

  • Anonymous says:

    you don’t know your sport. Listen to what experts have to say about calzaghe – sugar ray leonard is one you might wanna listen to. Listen to what all the experts say about Haye. Your a boxing fan not a boxing expert.

  • sacha says:

    fact joe c is the best super middle weight in history fact

    fact your bais

    also all your articles are either about dissing europen fighters or talking about your two love childs, the biggest fight of the year just past as in pac and cotto and i didnt c one article from you on that fight and you call your self a boxing writer lol your a joke and you wont be writting on here much longer i can promise you that

    joe c 36-0

    david haye carl froch world champs

    please go away

  • Geoff Milkshake says:

    Not sure about my memory but didn’t B-Hop school super Kelly Pavlik after losing to Joe – he’s definitely old but still not totally past it … and a definite ATG.

    (However I did think the Joe BHop fight could’ve gone either way)

  • Tom says:

    Haye will beat Ruiz fairly easily.

  • flummex says:

    Calzaghe would easily win the super six, but he has done enough, has knackered hands and should be happy in retirement. Look at calzaghes earlier fights he was a powerful puncher, unfortunately hand troubles stopped that. He would hammer dirrell as he is just not good enough, Ward would be a good fight, but cal would win, kessler would be easier 2nd time around. froch would be a walk over. Calzaghe was past his prime by the time he fought hopkins and he still had more than enough to win and arguably the hopkins around now is a harder proposition than a young hopkins

  • Lockheart says:

    still writing articles, but cant back up what you say i see!! Thought your going to quit if pacman beats cotto??
    be a man.

    epic fail.

  • anon says:

    Calzaghe would MURDER andre dirrell

    I like the kid as much as the next guy
    and he deserved a nod vs froch (in a fight he made awfully boring)

    but joe calzaghe was a dynamic fighter with the undefeated confidence of a winner

    he had a dynamite chin and could always adjust

    he’d have murdered dirrell, taylor.

  • haroon abbasi says:

    Scott you are a frock (rhymes with) sucking moron!

  • haroon abbasi says:

    This writer is anally retentive.

  • RIDE HARD says:

    HAHAHA, YOUR SUCH A HATER YOU CAN’T EVEN HIDE IT. I BET YOU NEVER BOXED DID YOU, AND IF YOU DID YOU WERE USELESS.

  • David says:

    it was impossible for calzaghe to fight jones jr when he was dodging him…

  • Anonymous says:

    lace em up or shut it up

  • Davey says:

    Why? cos you friend Scott cant stop talking about him duuuh

  • D.Solis says:

    Pitty pat joe,why are you people still talking about this overratted dude?

  • owenspud says:

    Padre-guess you believe you have some of aura-read what I wrote properly,as I responded as Davey did to your interpretation of “chin.” Finally to clutch at straws and compare Joe to Rocky is a no brainer,as they cannot have been more different in styles!Oops-I forgot the Italian connection,the southpaw,ha,ha,ha!!!

  • Davey says:

    oh dear scott you do make me laugh,LOL! Bika is a top fighter and is not in this tournament because it needed American boxers to oblige the american audience, Veit 30 fights undefeated until he was stopped in rd 1 against Calzaghe, then went on to win 15 fights in a row and then became mandatory challenger and got beat again by Joe,he did`nt get to be a mandatory challenger by being a bum… What? just because hes not American he`s discredited?? typical as usual. Calzaghe didnt want to fight Manfredo Scotty, he only fought him because it was said the winner would fight Taylor, oh Taylor backed out by outpricing himself just like Hopkins had done before.. do your bloody maths!! Calzaghe fought Kessler and Lacy because they were World champs, that doesnt tell me that Joe backed out from the best.
    Padre your one bloody pig ignorant twit who knows nothing of the facts about boxing, every fighter goes up the ranks and beats opponents who arent too good or are good its all part of the journey and slowly finding your place. At Least Brewer,Mitchell,Sheika and Lacy had the guts to fight Calzaghe, see its so easy to twist it back on the Americans. It can work both ways, unfortunate that Jones didnt fight Calzaghe in their prime would have been a good close fight. Plus i could discredit hopkins and Jones past opposition to me i dont know so much on them and could say they are just cherry picked bums could`nt i?????????????? to cheap and to easy to do. Calzaghe has a questionable chin???? lol hes gone down 4 times in his career and got up and won every fight and has a great recovery rate and fights back bigtime… a strong chin isnt always about not being decked its about how quick you recover. Ali got decked by Cooper and got up and won , your point that you make about Calzaghe indirectly says that Ali had a weak chin too. his style was boring??? lol Joes style was energetic!! and had one of the highest work rates going,though some fighters can make their opponent look bad, 3 fighters that joe fought who did this were Salem , Bika and Hopkins, your just blind ina oxing sense padre.Period

  • Davey says:

    come on sctty dont blacklist my comment , truth hurt huh????

  • Padre says:

    I don’t let my heart cloud my judgement owenspud, I think you DO!. I know boxing! if calazage had fought better competition when he was hurt in fights he would have been knocked out! Enough! of this Rocky Balboa stuff it only works in the movies!

  • owenspud says:

    Scott-”dude”-if your show-pony (Valuev) lost to the donkey (Haye) then that doesn’t make you much of a pundit then does it-especially when you blame it on age etc,facts which no doubt an esteemed ANALyst as yourself would have been fully aware of lmao!!What’s new eh-our country gave you English and YOU still can’t use it!

  • hasbeen says:

    Padre-Calzaghe beat Kessler a fighter that won every rd against Librado Andrade. After a title defense Roy Jones was asked on national tv about fighting Joe Calzaghe and he said that Joe wasn’t a big name in the States and that the fight wouldn’t pay the money that he would want. Sadly boxing become more about the money instead of making the fights that would show the world who the best is. Some times it isn’t the fighters fault that the fights that we would like to see don’t happen.

  • owenspud says:

    er Padre,despite being Welsh-yes get your atlas out-I agree with you on some points about Calzaghe.However “questionable chin”-I believe it is you who must be questioned!He went down a handful of times but never once looked hurt and whats more had the sense to use the full count.Yet another guy who lets his heart cloud his head

  • Padre says:

    Calzaghe should not talk about any fighter that is boring,not fighting the best fighters in their division or has a weak chin weak chin because Calzaghe qualifies in all three catagories. He fought nobody’s to get an undefeated record. The only notables in his record were, Roy Jones and Benard Hopkins WELL past their primes and he was floored by both. Cazaghe had a questionable chin a boring style and often slaped with his punches When it came time to fight a legitimate young threat like Chad Dawson he QUIT!. Calzaghe was overated and won’t be missed in boxing

  • Padre says:

    Calzaghe sould not talk about any fighter that is boring,not fighting the best fighters in their division or has a weak chin weak chin because Calzaghe qualifies in all three catagories. He fought nobody’s to get an undefeated record. The only notables in his record were, Roy Jones and Benard Hopkins WELL past their primes and he was floored by both. Cazaghe had a questionable chin a boring style and often slaped with his punches When it came time to fight a legitimate young threat like Chad Dawson he QUIT!. Calzaghe was overated and won’t be missed in boxing

  • hasbeen says:

    Scott-Sakio Bika has a record of 28-3-2 with 19 KO’s. He has been in two world title fights. He is imo a better fighter than anyone that Ward has faced. He is akward, strong, has good power and also has good stamina, and a way above average chin. To be honest he is no speed demon. You mention him like he is a bum, a bum he is not.

  • J.P says:

    How biased is this c*unt!! Dirrell lost to Froch and he goes on like he is the best supermid out there. I was ringside for that fight and yes it was close but Froch did more than enough to win and hurt Direll a few times. As for your hate on Haye, you talk like he has fought like he did against Valuev his entire carrer. He has only gone 12 rounds twice one was like a sparring session and the other was when he didnt get punched and won a world title! He is a knock out artist and bangs harder than the klitchkos and will ko wvlad inside 3. Stop writing articles on a sport you obv know nothing about. And the best fight for joe was Froch no one else. x

  • rIK says:

    good point but lewis wasnt undefeated

  • Andrew Evans says:

    Joe Calzaghe said he retired because he had no more motivation. There is always another contender. Carl Froch was calling him out but Calzaghe went on record to say he didn’t rate him. Of course people said he was scared to fight Froch. Calzaghe like Lennox Lewis retired undefeated. The sad think is when a boxer doesn’t know when to call it a day. The clever boxer makes money and calls it a day before he ends up with brain damage. After all most of the human body is made up of water maybe Valuev could drown you.

  • stephen a says:

    haye to be undisputed world champ, you know were u heard it first

  • stephen a says:

    i predict haye to beat vitali or wladimir or any top heavyweight for that mater. haye is the real deal people

  • the kid says:

    Regarding Pacquiao / Mayweather fight. The latter don’t have any belt to show or PPV followers that commands millions of viewers. He should be lucky to just accept 45 to 55 in Pacquiao’s favor. Not even his mouth worth listening to much less his zero loss because he doesn’t fight good boxers. That’s why he gets no respect with writers and reporters and majority of the boxing fans. He’s been too long in the cave that reality never gets pictured in his pea brain.

  • Eamon says:

    ” Haye has about as much chance to beat them as he does to win the lottery. ”
    “You would have liked to have seen Calzaghe fighting the likes of Ward, Dirrell, Lucian Bute, Taylor and Chad Dawson before retiring”.
    1. Your saying haye has a 1 in 100 million chance of beatn a klitschko? they wil be older wen he fights them nd i do giv him a good chance as he did stick to a gameplan against valuev and he is a good athlete.
    2. Why would calzaghe stay and fight your boyfriends andre ward and dirrell? He wouldn’t of made good money on them and they would have beaten him purely because they are young and he is an old man now. If he was the same age as them im sure he couldve grinded out a win as dirrell just ran against froch AND YOU ARE SO BIASED YOU TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT. DIRRELL AND HAYE HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING IN EACH OF THEIR LAST FIGHTS BUT DIRRELL LOST HA.

    I AM PUTTING SO MUCH EFFORT INTO THIS LAST COMMENT BECAUSE IT IS THE LAST ARTICLE OF YOURS I WILL READ AS YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT BOXING AND ARE A PURE BAISED FAN TOWARDS AMERICANS. YOU CAN’T EVEN GIVE ABRAHAM A COMPLIMENT FOR KNOCKING OUT TAYLOR WITH A LOVELY PUNCH. YOU ARE A D*CK AND F*CK UP ABOUT ANDRE DIRRELL AND WARD UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY WIN A TITLE.

    B*ITCH A*S MOTHERF*CKER

  • Jaymac says:

    Sounds to me like you’ve got something against Calzaghe ??

  • Oli says:

    Bad chad dawson?? hahaha who is he? really

  • Oli says:

    You know what gilfoid this time its hard to argue against what your saying. I actually agree

  • Abrams Hindizzels says:

    Calzaghe would have whooped all of them. I think if he beat “Bad” Chad Dawson, he would have truly proved he was da man. But he probably knew that he was slowing down and didn’t want to get picked off and loose his flawless record.

  • BoxANALyst says:

    I hope Manuel Perez has really stop writing articles for BoxingNew24 as he promised before…
    If PACMAN wins against Cotto…
    Be a MAN Manuel Perez…Stick to ur WORDS!!!

  • sammy wilcox says:

    dirrell and ward how can you put them in the same catogorey as calzage

  • THE HITMAN says:

    Anyone would think David Haye slept with your mom MR Gilfoid…..

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