The Greatest of All Time? What Tyson could have been
By Al Francis: Without question one of the most controversial figures in sporting history as well as one of the most naturally gifted fighters of the past hundred years, Mike Tyson is an enigma to many. In his prime, his performances in the ring blew people away and he was as famous as any man in his lifetime, yet for many boxing critics he’s still not what he could have been. His rise was meteoric and his fall was catastrophic!
Tyson learned his trade under the wise tutelage of long time trainer and boxing historian Cus D’amato. There is no doubt that D’amato was the most influential figure in Tyson’s life in terms of his fighting roots, training him day in day out since ‘iron’ Mike was a young teen and took him from a New York juvenile centre to live in his home after seeing the youngster sparring. He taught Tyson not only how he should fight, but about the history of the game, the two would spend evenings watching old black and white reels of the former greats plying their trade. Although Tyson was an amateur until he ditched his vest for the pro’s at age 18, Cus wasn’t training him as an amateur, the goal from the very start was to turn this powerful young kid into the heavyweight champion. Tyson became the youngest heavyweight champion ever at age 20 in 1986, one year after Cus D’amato died at age 77. There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that Tyson would not have been champion if it weren’t for Cus. Words scribed on Cus’ gravestone are symbolic of his young protege : “A boy come’s to me with a spark of interest, I feed the spark till it becomes a flame, I feed the flame till it becomes a fire, I feed the fire till it becomes a roaring blaze.” Roaring blaze! Sound like a prime Tyson?
Mike had a respect for the old man that he never had for anyone else and always held him in the absolute highest regard. For every year that’s past since Cus died, and every year Tyson became more independent in his lifestyle, he lost a part of himself in terms of his fighting ability. By the late eighties and early nineties he was already past his peak at the age of 25. Would he have been past his best at that young age if he still followed D’amato’s guidance? I would doubt it very much.
There were an abundance of outside factors which contributed to Tyson’s downfall; Womanizing, an ill-fated marriage, a hectic lifestyle, leaches, money grabbers, depression, attempted suicides, you name it. The manic depressive and self destructive side of Tyson’s personality may well have helped in becoming the type of ruthless fighter he was, but let’s just say it didn’t. Let’s just say he was a supremely level headed individual with peace of mind. There is no way he would ever have lost to Buster Douglas in 1990 if a) He was still under Cus D’amato’s guidance and b) He didn’t have these outside factors playing on his mind, leaving him clear to focus on training like a champion.
Had he beaten Douglas he would have been on course to face Evander Holyfield. When Holyfield beat Tyson in 1996, Tyson had already faded and spent 3 and a half years in jail serving a rape conviction, and Holyfield was a much bigger, fuller and more natural heavyweight than he was in 1990. Tyson would have been strongly favoured to win, and with Cus’ guidance and, for the sake of this article, his make believe peace of mind, i’d have backed him too. That would leave a fat Riddick Bowe and a skinny Lennox Lewis, both of which in 1991 would be deemed not ready for a title shot against a prime Mike Tyson, but seen as there wasn’t anyone else I’m sure the fights would have materialized. Bowe was always a lazy fighter and Lewis came on leaps and bounds in the mid to late nineties under Manny Steward, but in the early nineties, he was tall and skinny with awkward footwork. Again, Tyson would be favoured.
Let’s come back to reality now. Boxing enthusiasts love nothing more than to compile lists, rankings of this and that, top ten’s in various weights, current time or all time, or pound for pound, but the fact is as things stand most critics wouldn’t put Tyson in their top 5 heavyweights of all time. That’s because there is at least 5 that achieved far more, but if you were to rank purely on potential, surely Tyson must be in there. When he was champion in the eighties he was being groomed to break Rocky Marciano’s unbeaten run and take almost every other record in the book. At that point in time, the perception was that he could potentially be the greatest of all time, perhaps even better than Muhammad Ali himself. Ali had a lot of potential when he was coming through, but at the end of the day, he wasn’t favoured to win the title against Sonny Liston or George Foreman. Therefore Ali exceeded his own potential, whereas Tyson WAS expected to win the title and WAS expected to reign for as long as he wanted but he didn’t live up to his own potential. Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Lennox Lewis were the very best they could be and Tyson wasn’t.
What this article was meant to show was just an overview of what Tyson’s immense potential might have looked like had he lived up to it, and we may well have varying opinions on how far he could have gone if ‘x’ didn’t happen or ‘y’ did happen. I don’t think it was out of his reach to retire undefeated in about 94 or 95 having beaten all top contenders throughout that period. When people ask me who would win out of Tyson and Ali, I answer Ali, but I question myself. Maybe it’s because a prime Tyson was never involved in a difficult fight that it’s hard to imagine how he would fare against a fellow great, whereas Ali has shown me countless times exactly how he fares. And maybe, if Mike Tyson had lived up to the great expectations and potential bestowed upon him he would have shown the same qualities Ali did in fighting against the odds. And maybe, just maybe if Tyson did that, he’d be the greatest heavyweight of all time. But sadly, we’ll never ever know…..
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Brilliant article, u have mirrored everything i have ever thought about mike tyson. shame he did not fulfil his potential. he would have been the greatest of all time.
Great article could have been the best of all time no other heavyweight had his speed power or ferocity! Most captivating watchable and cross over fighter I ever seen. Could have beaten them all would have killed a skinny Lewis in 1993 smashed a fat bowe and beaten a lighter not yet fully fledged Holyfield! This could have been the best heavyweight era Tyson Lewis bowe holyfield what a round robin but they blew it in their own was all except Holyfield who is a true warrior. For my money though I’d rather watch a Tyson fight over any of those guys! Why? Simple he was electric and mesmorising what a waste but even so what a fighter !
early days were, speed of a middlewight on a seek & destroy misson, he carried no one
What a shame tyson has become, How ironic, That he had so many KO’S And knocked himself out in the end!
Nice article,Liam is a jerk can’t write anything half decent!
hahaha at liam trying to comment on Al’s article. Go write something constructive you brain damaged nut
There’s no way Tyson in his prime beats either Ali or Holyfield.Styles make fights and he’ll,they never beat Ali after the psyche job Ali would have put on him,he’ll lose it before he got in the ring with Ali.
First of all, Bill Cayton and Jim Jacobs stole more money from Mike Tyson than Don King and Robin Givens. Don made him millions……Also, Mike was very good but he leveled out once he started fighting better competition. You can blame jail and anything else you want. He wasn’t the same once he got hit. Better fighters were able to HIT him. Mike always had that one punch explosive power but Greatest?? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!
is this the same Tyson Lewis hammered when they first met years ago across the pnd when they were amature?
all hype. his “prime” was facing bums & old men.
Get real Eagor!There is NO comparison-end of!
Klitshchko’s are and will be the best forever and ever second is Tyson , then Ali and others
LIAM SANTIAGO do us all favour and quit your nonsense-I think you have far too much time on your hands mate!!!Al this was a good,thought provoking article and I appreciate many of your articles.I don’t think any boxer could live with a prime Tyson,as much of an Ali fan as I am.Balance,head movement,power in both hands,chin,ferocious combinations from all angles,handspeed and that tree trunk neck-he had all the tools!Would love to see him young and boxing now-Vitaly Klitschko would look as helpless as one of Jaws’ victims and would struggle to go the distance,Wlad ko’d in under 3!
Joe louis is better than Tyson, ali prime………….
There is only one person here who has mentioned this. Frazier beat Ali once and gave him his hardest fights in the other two. All Frazier had was a left hook. Tyson had hooks, crosses and uppercuts combined with amzing speed and power. Also, in the early days at least, his head movement was brilliant. Tyson was a much better version of Frazier. What I’m saying is – Tyson in his prime (say the Spinks fight) was better than Ali, Louis, Marciano, Dempsey etc were in their prime.
yeah he could of gone down as the greatest of all time.
But he lost his way and although he has achieved legendary status he can not go down as the greatest ever.
ask the editors if u dnt belive u idiot, we tryin 2 block all fake santiagos…U FOOL
Fransis ur so dam stupid this aint me commentin i dont comment EVER on ANY articles.they are faes wanting to be me….jesus man….
Totally agree with this. This was one of the things i mentioned on bigragu’s youtube poll
BEST FIGHTER EVER LIVED
CHeck out this Tyson training video online, it will blow your mind, i have never seen any other boxes train like this. He is the best all round fighter i have ever seen(in his prime)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zlaIl0yh0
Tyson was quite simply bred to kill.
TYSON WOULD OF BEATEN ALI .
HE WOULD OF KNOCKED HIM OUT. PEOPLE, ME INCLUDED HOLD ALI IN HIGH REGARD BECAUSE HE WAS REALLY GOOD, HIS PERSONALITY AND WHAT HE DID FOR BOXING. THAT BEEN SAID, BOXING ISNT A SPORT THATS STOOD STILL. BOXERS HAVE GOTTEN FITTER AND BETTER LIKE IN ALL SPORTS. IN MY OPINION LEWIS IN HIS PRIME WOULD HAVE BEATEN ALI WITH HIS HEIGHT, SIZE AND WEIGHT ADVANTAGES, BUT MOST PEOPLE SAY A PRIME TYSON WOULD HAVE BEATEN LEWIS. I JUST CANT BELIEVE ALI WOULD OF BEEN ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE POWER OF TYSON.
oh and tyson vs. ali …tyson bye ko..ali wouldve danced for a couple rounds but then TIMBER !!!
couldve been ??? give me a break !!! how about the best of his time …instead of could of ,how about WAS !!!!!
Ali would beat Tyson any day, also imagine if Tyson at his potential had met an Ali in about 1969 with no lay-off. Would be sensational but I think Ali would win.
Thanks for the thoughtful article…
agreed.
if Tyson hurt Ali which is possible, then Tyson would have won by knockout,
but Ali vs Williams i see no boxer in any division moving as the great did that night, or catching him.
Tyson / Ali the 2 greats – period
In the prime Ali vs prime Tyson debate, don’t discount Ali’s ability to get under his opponents skin and play physiological games. In the first Liston fight, he convinced Liston he was scared stiff and therefore Liston didn’t train too hard. He tried to get under Frazier’s skin, and they came to blows (well had sort of a wrestling match) on worldwide TV. He berated Foreman so much (before and during the fight) that Foreman was trying to knock him out with every blow.
Imagine what Ali would have done to Tyson? Mike is not exactly known as the calm, reserved type.
Also remember that Ali too was inactive for 3 ½ years also. He was never the same after this time and yet he still managed to find something inside of him to compete at the world’s highest level. He adapted. He had the sense to retreat when he was in trouble which is something Tyson never did. I think that these are important attributes in a fighter, and I just think that Ali would have found a way to win whilst Mike would have just tried to blast him out of there.
Liam, just turn out your own rubbish articles and leave everyone else alone. Better still, read other writers articles, you might learn something. But please dont comment you embarress yourself and this site.
When I was younger. I knew boxing because of Mike Tyson. I only watch boxing when he fights. Until now ive never seen a heavy weight fight like tyson. Tyson seems faster than middleweights of todays generation. Tyson is so exciting back then…
liam, name me one writer, past or present who HASNT compared fighters from different generations?
The tyson flick is immaterial, there’s nothing in this article which isnt common knowledge!
What part of my info is shabby, answer and ill take you apart like i have done every other time!
i can tell you have watched Tyson the Movie! Well done, clever boy! Please dont compare fighters from different generations, It DOESNT WASH MATE!
lETS try and stick to news hey, cus this is boring boring stuff Francis. Liven up!
Mike Tyson was a great fighter and very entertaining to watch.
However people need to remember that it is far easier to be a destructive and entertaining boxer when you are facing weak opponents.
Whenever Mike Tyson faced genuinely good boxers he lost !!! (eg Holyfield and Lewis)
Muhammed Ali would have toyed with him , of that I have no doubt.
Tyson would of beat ali ALL day long no question!!!
Tyson = immense speed, power and tecnique, he had a granite chin and his only downfall was his stamina but luckily for him he had enough power to get most fighters out of the ring fairly quickly. He probably was the hardest puncher since archie moore.
When it comes to the Ali vs Tyson Debate…Is Tyson not a stronger and faster version of Frazier? But as Tyson said you cant compare boxers of today to the boxers of the past as the training the length between fights has all changed.
I am a huge Ali fan but a prime tyson was the best athlete of seen in boxing period. I never really saw it until recently and when I study the film….WOW…the best combo of power and handspeed ever. It sent chills down my spine watching it true legendary. What could have been, what could have been.
Shame he fell in with the likes of Don King and Robin Givens, both of those crooks didn’t help him.
Yep, Tyson was awesome and although people might say that he’s too short etc to beat the modern champs, his power and speed more than compensate for that.
For example Arreola is short (compared to others) but he’s also too slow and nowhere near as powerful as Tyson.
Iron Mike’s problem with today’s generation of fight fans is that most of them only remember the fat guy with the face tattoo.
Wlad and Vitali would have been trembling wrecks going into a fight with Tyson.
Tyson had the potential to be the greatest without a doubt. His downfall though I think isnt down to D’amatos death but his self destructive nature, which he had before D’amato for example juvenile prisons, street fighting. I personally think even with D’ amato still been alive this would have reared its ugly head and this mixed in the money, women and Don King even he couldnt have controlled Tyson anymore.
If you watch some of Tyson’s early training vids you see his speed and power is incredible and I have always believed a prime/motivated Tyson beats Ali.
Tyson says in his DVD that after winning the title he didn’t really bother training too hard and you can tell in the way he was getting hit by a lot more punches.
Good article the only bit I don’t agree with is about who was the very best they could be, I wouldn’t put Lewis there. He was lazy at times and could have done a lot better. Mike entertained and for me that was a plus. Thanks Mike Tyson for those years.