Boxing – Redefining the Klitschkos
By Glen Anglin: After a decade of competing and achieving near dominance in the heavyweight division, I think it is time to review the place that the fighting Klitschkos have earned in the heavyweight pantheon. From time to time, both of the brothers have been accused of cowardice, weakness and lack of true fighting ability. Both have been derided in the western press as rulers of a division of anemic challengers. I am not so sure anymore. As the victories continue to accumulate for the Klitschko brothers, I have concluded that their place in heavyweight history is in the upper echelon.
Wladimir’s major deficiency, particularly true in his early career, is his mysterious tendency to either completely run out of gas late in a match or get hurt and stay hurt by punches that did not appear to be very destructive. At times, he looked like his chin was made of exploding glass. These weaknesses have been ameliorated by the magic work of new trainer Emanuel Steward. Wladimir appears to have more energy in the later rounds of his more recent matches. In addition, Steward has big Wlad holding like an octopus whenever his opponent gets near enough to throw a shoe at him. It makes for ugly boxing, but the wins keep piling up.
Wladimir Klitschko would stand a good chance to beat any heavyweight in history from number 20 on down. Even many in the top 20, maybe even some at the very top, would struggle with Wladimir’s size, strength and firepower. Remember, Wladimir is about a half foot taller than Tyson, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano and Frazier. He is several inches taller than even Foreman, Ali, Liston, Johnson and Holmes and Holyfield.
Vitaly Klitschko also has the advantages of size and strength over his opponents, even moreso than his younger brother. Vitaly also never met an opponent he didn’t want to hug. Like his brother, he is an expert at the inside tie-up. But that is where the similarities end.
Vitaly’S strengths do not include proper punching technique; he holds BOTH hands at his waist for the majority of fights. His weaknesses do not include a weak chin; even after being blasted by a Lennox Lewis ICBM uppercut he remained upright. He is blessed with an enormous body and long arms, passable hand speed, and punches that are inexplicably powerful. I say inexplicably, because he does not ‘set down’ and commit body momentum and torque to a punch, so much as he reaches out with arm punches and then quickly pulls back his head with his left extended in anticipation of a counterpunch. However, this technical deficiency does not seem to diminish his power. As they say, when big V hits them, they stay hit.
Vitaly Klitschko would fare even better against other dominant heavyweights in history than his younger, slightly smaller brother. His size, reach, careful style, power and impervious chin make him an unmanageable package for most heavyweights at any time. The only other great heavyweights his size, other than his brother, is Lewis, whom he fought on equal terms and whom I consider a top 5 all time heavyweight. There are two other interesting facts about VK; he has never been knocked down, and in the two fights that he lost (both due to injury) he was ahead on the judges scorecards at the time of the stoppage. How many fighters can say that they have fought at the very top of their weight division for an extended time and were NEVER knocked down by a punch? Vitaly Klitschko, Marvin Hagler, and ….?
I believe that the main reason the Klitschkos don’t rely on the left hook is that they don’t have too. Both have very good jabs and one-two combinations. Their height and reach enable them to stand tall, potshot, then reset, rather than get into heated exchanges. Neither fights on the inside, again because they don’t have to. As both of the Ukranian giants are normally larger and stronger than whomever they face, their holding is very effective.
One might expect that their size would render them very slow afoot. However, while neither will be mistaken for Willie Pep, both the Klitschko’s can move around the ring and at times walk away from a tight spot. Neither of the brothers is a Carnera-like immobile target.
The Klitscho’s also get high marks for coming into their fights prepared. Both men are in supreme shape and have never brought into the ring the spare tires packed by so many other heavyweights. They give their profession the respect it deserves.
Yes, it is true that they have beaten mostly mediocre talent. But the same is true to a certain extent for all heavyweight champs. A careful review of the opponent list of Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Liston, Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield and Lewis shows that all of them struggled from time to time against less than top notch competition. It’s time for the Klitschko brothers to receive their rightful recognition as excellent, even all-time great, heavyweight champions. JGA
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watched the fight numerous times and teh cut against lewis it seems to be caused by a thumb…lewis always bulked up against fighters he couldn’t outbox—and lewis was scheduled to fight the best boxer in the divison….lewis was often outboxed and turned slugger in his fights…as against vitali…so this excuse about being in poor shape doesnt fly….as far as i am concerned lewis ruined his legacy by not giving vitali a return match…his trainer admits he was ducking vitali, what more do you need. i dont rate vitali all that high, so by ducking him i would never even consider lewis for a top 10 all time rating. he was lucky and was satisfied to stay that way…poor marks from me for that.
I AGREE O.SPUD TOTALLY..L.LEWIS WAS A MUCH BETTER FIGHTER THAN THESE GUYS
Lewis wasn’t always scientific,he could be brutally clinical-Grant,Golota,Botha,Rahman 2 etc.It is this ability to switch that ranks him above Vitaly,plus the better quality opponents,superior range of punches and the small matter of defeating him!
both brothers are great , BUT very boring to watch…e.stewart trained lennox lewis the same…jab ,jab,grab and hold hold hold…snooze fest…you can do that when you are a huge fighter…just use your weight and ‘lay’ on your opponent..they wear down…boring again…most fans dont care for that style..thats why no ppv for the kltkos !!no one will pay to see them fight all these “nobodies”
How can you rate Lewis in the top five of all time? Holmes, Ali, Louis, Foreman, Frazier and Tyson were all far better.
To say Vitaly is the greatest is debatable at very best,but to say Wladimir is up there is laughable.Can somebody with such a weak chin,who has been ko’d by relatively average opponents be deemd greater than say Ali lol?!
Klitshchko should be in Hall of Fame already.
True, great article klitshchkos are the best forever
Excuse me,
Andrew and a lot of you guys really have no real understanding of boxing history. It is now evident that Vitali Klitschko belongs with the greats, but in no way did the generate the kind of excitment of an Ali, Tyson, Foreman or Frazier. They can sit at the same table, but thats as far as it goes. and Lennonx Lewis is just run of the mill, nothing to get excited about.
they are simply the best ever to step into the ring BEST EVER!!! boxing has evolved and so have the boxers and the klitschko brothers are simply the top of the evolution chain. Vitaly would of mop’t lewis up in a rematch !! why do youthink he retiered?? he new it! he felt how strong vitali was…. and he wasnt take;n any chance’s … got to give it to him for that cuz he would’a got stoped in the rematch!!
good article. These 2 deserve it. They are big, athletic, tremdously skilled and most important chiseled each time they showup to fight. Not to mention that most of their opponents are afraid to engage because of the power. Other than Ali and maybe Foreman, Tyson??? and Lewis, I put them above the other greats in heavy weight division.
M: Putting the K’s below Ali, Tyson and Lewis is understandable. But stating that VK would have been flattened by ANYBODY is a stretch. With his size, careful style and fantastic chin, I just dont see it. I know he can be decisioned, but I dont think he would be ko’d even by any of your big 3.
Styles make fights, and the mechanical, slow, stationary, upright, 33-year-old Big Cat was room service for the slick-firing Ali.
V.K would of taken ali out the game, in a rematch would of beat down lewis and tyson struggles with tall fighters that can fight and believe me V.K can fight this man deserves so much more respect that he gets!
But much respect to both especially Vitali who’s style is now akin to a giant Floyd Mayweather – same low hands shoulder rolling and footwork and he does it better than any other big guy bar Ali.
Hmmm. A peak Tyson, a peak Ali, a peak Lewis. They’d all have beaten either one easily. Lewis gave Vitali a close one at the tail end of his career when he was ill prepared and Vitali had youth on his side. The Lewis that knocked out Ruddock would’ve flattened Vitali. The Tyson that knocked out Berbick would have have knocked out anyone other than Ali or Lewis inside 4 rounds. As for the Ali that knocked out Cleveland Williams – don’t even go there. No heavyweight in history could’ve stayed with Ali that night. Agree that both are definitely in the elite, just a little down the ladder from these 3.
Quick points:
1) Why did it take this long give the bros props
2) Look how many undefeated opponents they have beaten
3) Both have ridiculously high KO rates
4) V Klitschko is MUCH better than he was when he fought Lennox Lewis (Damn Scary!!!!)
5) I dont think any heavyweight in history would beat them as they are now (only possibly Lennox Lewis)
6) While critics keep criticising , the brothers keep winning
I am not diminishing Lennox’s victory over Vitaly K. He was badly cut by what the referee ruled a punch and that’s that.
However,in the first 2 rounds, when both men were fresh, Vitaly outpunched Lennox. And I think that if the cut had not stopped the fight, Lennox would have been stopped(if for no other reason than the fact that he WAS ill-prepared).
My guess is that Arreola will defeat McCall if they ever fight. Put it this way, if Arreola comes to the fight under 235, he will be the favorite, for sure.
The Lewis place in boxing history is almost universally agreed upon. He is near the very top, for sure. The point I am making about V. Klitschko is that after years of seeing sustained improvement from Vitaly, I believe that a prime vs prime Lewis/V.Klitschko match is a pick em fight.
Very positive article. I agree with most. I have no problem with the currant HW scene. the major difference is the Americans they aren’t dominating therefore we are told the HW scene is lacking in excitement. plus a lack of viewing for the general public. there simply isn’t enough coverage on TV.
Lewis as said should be is in the top five but now that somebody had mentioned the Vitali fight i will. Lewis won fair and square but having watched the fight many times Lewis was in my opinion not in vitali’s league. They say he hadn’t prepared well so his fault then. The fight was stopped because of the cut as is right but no way was Lewis getting the better of Vitali. He got away with the help of some poor refereeing Rd 5 12 body blows while holding. The commentators knew it the crowd knew it Lewis knew it. He gave an awful interview in the ring and said if he wants a rematch he can have one. the rest is history.
For me this was the fight that set Vitali up for the way he is going now. He has time still to make it in the top greatest 5 I cant see anybody causing Vitali any problems for the time he has left certainly not Oliver McCall or Tua they would simply be target practice. Dec will be a good training session then get Haye out of the way win or lose to Valuev.
Wladimir is not up to Vitali’s standard but not far behind and he can deal with all those mentioned just has to be a little more careful. 2010 will be their year just like 2009. get used to it.
Well who is Chris Arreolo fighting on Dec.5 , I hope Oliver McCall is ready to fight around that time. The Atomic Bull as 3 straight wins in his come back to be Champion again. Arreolo vs. McCall and then when Oliver McCall win then Vital Klitschko for the Title.
Ps I was referring to the fight with Vitaly!
True,Wlad has improved under Steward and I would also rate Lewis among the top 5 heavies.Lewis though surely could when required unleash a more complete arsenal and Lewis was in the ascendancy before the stoppage even after not having prepared adequately for the fight.This I’m positive would have become more evident were there a rematch as Lewis by Stewards’ admission of his distracted preparation and the fact that in return bouts Lewis performed far better.Remember the cut was caused by a clean punch.Credit due though,they are the best out there at the moment and for the forseeable future!