Mayweather/Marquez post fight thoughts
September 20th, 2009
By Warren Cloud: This Mexican independence day weekend, Millions of Juan Manuel Marquez fans were hoping for an upset that was never meant to be. Marquez’ past fights against boxing greats like Marco Antonio Barrera, Joel Casamayore, and Manny Pacquiao had proven Marquez a warrior composed purely of guts and heart.
Mexican boxing fanatics probably only made up half the people cheering for him this past Saturday, the other half consisting of fans who simply couldn’t stomache Mayweather’s pedantic personality befitting of the DSM IV criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Many hoped and prayed for a rusty Mayweather whose only defense would be running around the ring, dodging Marquez’ valiant attack to no avail. The elusive pretty boy would finally have that smirk wiped off of his face.
But to the shock and dismay of Marquez fans and Mayweather haters alike, Mayweather emerged, 21 months out of retirement, like a phoenix rising from it’s ashes. Mayweather kept his promise of standing toe to toe with Marquez and systematically dismantled him in the process. September 19, 2009 brought Mayweather a step closer to being a true legend rather than just being one in his own mind.
Mayweather would have convinced the world that he truly believed himself to be fearless and invincible, had it not been for the post fight interview when Max Kellerman asked him about the proposition of getting in the ring with Sugar Shane Mosley. Mayweather stumbled over his words, looking as if he had seen a ghost. That ghost came in the form of Mosley in the flesh, who demanded what he had been begging for eight years now, a chance at Mayweather. Will Mayweather prove us wrong again, ridding himself of the label of a cherry picker? That is yet to be seen.
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Marquez was obviously the smaller man in the ring. it is a shame that marquez decided to move up in weight. he would have been a lot better in his natural weight.He lost his speed and his power against mayweather. he made mayweather look a whole lot stronger than he actually is and faster. Marquez is a warrior and a noble man not a coward and braggard. I hope that pacqiao destroys mayweather and knocks him out. even though he is the smaller man against cotto this will be interesting to see. If pacqiao wins Mayweather will fight him. If cotto wins mayweather will not fight him, he knows that cotto will lay him out on the canvas. Mayweather in my opinion is most definitely over rated he lost to castillo and to de la hoya and some how was given a win over those guys.
yes mayweather won but there was no excitement. he could of destroyed marquez easily but he’s MONEY mayweather not warrior mayweather to me the fight was boring. and im not excited to watch him any time soon, the hatton knock out was great but he still took to long to do what he could of done in the early rounds.
lol Reflex are you a fan of Audley Harrison? you sound like him, 1 week ago everyone said floyd picked the wrong guy to make a comeback against, he’ll be rusty, JMM is a warrior blah blah and those of you who saw the fight, saw how JMM was systematically dismantled. The 2nd best p4p fighter in the sport got comprehensivley outboxed. and remember this was after 2 years out for PBF. By the way if floyd cherry picks did he cherry pick gatti, corrales, judah, castillo, boldomir, even hatton? doff your caps to one of the GOATS (greatest of all times)
fight mayweather, that is.
Jr.
I think you meant to say that Pacquiao shouldn’t even might Mayweather because he should put his self in the position of getting beat down.
Mayweather proved nothing in this fight. Especially weighing 2 pounds heavier thah he was supposed to. So the great big guy beats the great 2 divisions below guy. it was funny to see him run away from the little guy at times. pacquiao shouldnt even fight mayweather, he shouldnt let him make money against a smaller fighter AGAIN.
i just can’t wait to see pacquiao vs cotto fight. Then we’ll start speculating… Wait.. I know what are you all going to say.. if Cotto wins, Pacman is too small.. if Pacman wins, Cotto is too slow.. Then the pre fight talks for Floyd vs Cotto or Floyd vs Pacquiao starts again.. Floyd is too fast.. Cotto is strong.. Pacman is too small.. Whew!! this is what the sport of boxing needs..thrill and excitement..I just love boxing..
It appears that most of the people on this website didn’t do their homework. PBF came in a few lbs over the mandate. PBF has fought many people his weight, PBF went up in weight to fight and dismantle champions. It’s tiring to see all of these boxing wannabes talk about things they know nothing of. Give the boxer his respect, regardless his personal antics.
I keep hearing people on this comment board mentioning Paul Williams as a possible next opponent for Mayweather. Is it really excusable for a 6’2” fighter with an almost 84” arm reach, who is about to fight for the middlewieght championship, to even fight in the welter weight division? If anything Paul Williams should be looking to fight Bernard Hopkins if he beats Pavlik. We are talking about a totally different size range when we talk about Paul Williams. Shane Mosley came out and unashamedly ruled Paul Williams out as a possible opponent because of his size, yet you guys are talking about Mayweather needing to fight Williams to prove that he is a great fighter. NO. Paul Williams needs to fight guys his own size to prove his own greatness. If he were to win the middle wieght championship in his next fight, it wouldn’t even make any sense for him to be going back down to welterwieght again to fight Mayweather. This whole Paul Williams argument makes no sense and has no merrit. Especially to say that Floyd should be looking to fight a guy twice his size to prove that he is a great fighter. You take credit from him for fighting a guy thats only one inch shorter in Marquez, and then claim fighting and defeating a guy thats 6 inches taller them is the only way to prove that he is a great fighter. So if he were to fight and defeat Williams, I’m sure that the next criteria for his greatness would become taking a fight with Vladmir Klitschko. Its nonsense. Paul Williams is a middle wieght and was only trying to pad his record when he was fighting as a welter wieght. But as long as your not Floyd Mayweather Jr. you can get away with anything, I guess.
mayweather was awesome against marquez. but i hate that he didn’t try hard to go down to 144. he didn’t care about the penalty. all he really cared was that he’d be bigger come fight-time and beat marquez up. maybe instead of penalizing a boxer of a few hundred thousand dollars his whole purse should be forfeited in favor of his opponent to make sure he’ll go down to the catchweight limit. coz if a fighter’s purse is $10M what is 300 grand a pound as penalty. he’d definitely pay the fine instead of shedding pounds and making himself weaker.
im a pacman fan and i hate mayweather… and i agree, mayweather got skills and possibly the
best purest boxer. pacman doesnt stand a chance of beating mayweather. even if they fight at 145 or 144 lbs. pacman goin to lose.
mayweather is just too skilled for pacman.
well said tangenio. Even if pac beats cotto (which i doubt even more after seeing what size did to JMM) the pacman v PBF fight will never happen, first of all roach will be terrified after what he just saw, secondly PBF will rightly refuse to weight drain himself and pacman if he wont fight cotto at 147 defo wont fight PBF at 147 either.
Either way mayweather destroys manny all day easily its high time pacmans ball suckers woke up
Amen to Oli. The Pacnuthuggers are shaking in their knockers now. They have nothing to worry about though, Pac is safe. Roach will not pit his fighter with anybody as great as PBF without demanding a huge handicap.
what is now clear is that manny pacquiao would have no chance whatsoever of beating floyd mayweather. The best pure boxer on the planet.
Honestly pacquiao would be dismantled and it would look even worse than marquez beaing. Pacmans fans should accept this now or u will only be bitter later
Mosley put the fear of god into Mayweather, he looked like a scared child. I don’t care about seeing Pacquiao/Mayweather because it will end up exactly like this fight, lets see Mosley/Mayweather, or Cotto/Mayweather, hell I would rather see CLOTTEY/Mayweather than a Pacman fight.
Love him or hate him you simply cannot say Floyd ain’t good. His defence is the best in the world and boxing is about not getting hit as much as it is about hitting. Don’t get me wrong I’m no Mayweather fan, but I do admire his skills. Personally I believe Mosley has his number and so that fight won’t happen, as for Williams, again too risky for Floyd as both these fighters are big and have the reach, speed and skill set to trouble his defence. If Floyd wants the adulation he craves its these type of fights he needs to look at, not fighting smaller men, who are out of their comfort zone. Personally I think he will fight Cotto next, as I believe Cotto is severely being looked past and will shock the boxing community when he makes light work of Pac at WW, Pac for all greatness has bitten off a little more than he can chew in fighting Cotto at WW, I think Pac’s limit is at LWW and no more, it could pan out very similar to last nights fight. Hopefully this will lead to the winner of Cotto v Mayweather fighting Mosley or Williams.
all last night proved is that paul williams is the pound for pound king and mayweather is too big for pacquiao. mayweather is no doubt the best in the lightweight to super lightweight fighter, too bad he is a WW. in order to claim to be the best you should have to fight the best, last night he did not fight the best. shane mosley woud be a step in the right direction.
Floyd needs to fight in his next fight one of the following to get the respect he seeks: (order of preference)
1. Shane Mosley
2. Paul Williams
3. If not either, then atleast cotto/pac winner
4. None of these options… Then plz retire (too boring for ppv)
why dus every 1 alway sugest mayweather vs pac,thats looken buy cotto,and why is floyd geten slagd off for fighting smaller guy when every 1 want a piece of pac.floyd is just going after the bigest fight it wasnt him that jmm and pac as p4p top dogs,so he just beating who are supose to be his biggest chalenges,and if pac beats cotto and floyd destroys pac,floyd will still get no credit as hes the suposed biger man,but why is this if pac beats the suposed best welter?
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Floyd shouldn’t fight Paul Williams. That’s not a fair fight unless Paul Williams cuts weight to 140 (a weight Floyd could make) weakening Paul Williams significantly.
as a boxing fan,mayweather was ausuam,i dnt fink the weight made to much a difrance,cos mayweather dusnt use his weight to presure a fighter its more about skill and not geten hit,i dnt fink any1 from lightweight to even middleweight would stand a chance against floyd,how can u beat sum1 who cant be hit,my dream match up would be if hopkins could make middle and floyd move up,master defence against master defence.ppl might slag that match up but its not to unrealist as dlh managd to fyt hopkins.
mayweather is the biggest cherry picker of all time. he is a safety 1st fight,
fight paul williams at welterweight, PAUL will make the weight, weck he will come down to lightwelterweight, and still woop mayweather, willaims wont be weight drained, he is an supreme athlete that can adjust to anything,
period.
de la hoya is good at facing ibo / ibf champions, no one like maywetaher,
HATTON = over rated
marquez = cherry picked featherweight
why didnt mayweather face somebody like shane mosley or paul williams ??????????
scared cherry picker.
The fight that nobody needed and nobody wanted to see. Boring and without meaning.
let’s wait and see the ppv numbers – if they beat ufc in dallas… I highly doubt it though
Cotto vs Mayweather Cotto is not JMM he will reach the cherry picker
A good big man is supposed to beat a good little man. But when it comes to Mayweather’s win, it’s clear that skill was the difference. Regarding Cotto-Pac, I think the good big man will beat the good little man, then it will be Mayweather, Cotto and Mosley (perhaps Margarito as well) for who will be Welter Weight King.
Mayweather is in a league of his own.
Pacquiao doesen’t have a cat in hells chance…he would get his arse tanned. FACT
FACTS
1.Floyd is young and has great boxing skills
2.Floyd is undefeated
3.Floyd is prettier than his father
4.Floyd came out of retirement(21 mos)
5.Floyd beat Juan Manuel Marquez
6.Floyd did not make target weight(144lbs);weighed 146lbs
7.Floyd paid $600k for the excess weight
8.J.M. Marquez is old , worn out body with great boxing skills
9.J.M. Marquez is shorter, smaller than F.M.
10.J.M.Marquez has no K.O power
11.J.M.Marquez made weight(142lbs)
12.J.M Marquez fought F.M. gallantly,brave heart
13.J.M Marquez lost the fight to a younger,bigger,faster Floyd.
14.J.M Marquez is so tired
15. It was a boring fight we all knew the outcome
ZKO what was u watching about that reach PB 63″ JMM was like 57″ that’s why he picked this fight
Mayweather could have weighted 4 pounds less, have his arms shorterd at birth and watever excuse u want to say but his skill and tecnique are superior. THAT Midget KICKED MANNYS BUTT and All manny lovers (MANNY NEVER HAVE FOUGH A REAL WELTER HELLO OSCAR WAS SO DRAINED AND OLD…Hatton wich if u see his stats is SMALLER than Manny…)This fight just made me think… Cotto has a real chance and Manny is OVER RATED! Good but over rated (plus people lets talk how he is getting a 147 tittle for posterity if he wings but he fights Cotto at 145… HE IS SCARED oh God i hope is Cotto and Mayweather for the next one
Clyde Mayweather chasing Cotto ur on crack buddy that never happend never
Da contender ur full of it Mayweather is a cherry picker nothing to do with money
ESPN had Mayweather’s reach at 65″ and Marquez’s at 67″… unless it’s a mistake.
unblock me please
I wish he would step in the ring with a real WW
Arm reach mayweather knew about that
mayweather beat the chit out marques i give it 2 him 4 that!…..shane should’of mushed floyd 2 get the fight , i wouldof…lol… who ever fights this man will have there hands full, money man is no joke!!
first it was Pacquiao now you see what Floyd does to small guys and now you say Mosley after them they are going to say Cotto then Williams (who is fighting at middleweight)then Margartito (who is a cheater) it will never be good enough Floyd came off a 2 year layoff and beat the #2 ranked pound for pound fighter in the world they guy who really beat the #1 pound for pound guy and he did it easily you can do nothing but give props he proved why he is the best fighter in the world
Well,all went as scripted last night.Mayweather cruised to victory against a guy who never stood a chance in the first place.Marquez was just too small,too old,too slow and just ready made for Mayweather.To all you people that paid to see that ‘non event,”Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated”!!
The fight was staged, whatever everyone thinks. PBF planned to look good on his return and everything went according to plan. No honest to goodness boxing writer and analyst ever thought of Marquez winning. That alone is a solid proof to the fact of PBF’s grand plan. He used Marquez who willingly accepted evrything for the paycheck, period. To clueless boxing fans, PBF made a point. Pathetic fight, bad spot for boxing!
last nite just showed how good fighters hatton an de la hoya are, because they actually gave floyd a fight. a fink pacman would get similar treatment from floyd but i fink paul williams or maybe mosley would give him a good fight, williams would be a real handful because of his size
floyd is a con he never intinded to make weight and disrespected the tickit buyers this fight would have been a better fight had floyd kept his word. i personaly think floyd would have won the fight any way but it would have been more competitave. and if making 144 was not feasable for him he should not have signed the contract. I personaly find it very hard to even praise floyd for his skills that he does have but are wasted becouse of his lack of any honer or integrety. p.s. cotto will tko pacman that will be bad for floyd becouse he will have to face a fellow welter if he wants to make another big payday
Pac`s coach will never put his fighter in with Floyd at welter,he would want floyd to drain himself down to light welter to fight him.If any non-hater look at floyd at the weigh-in,you can see it is virtually impossible for floyd to make 140,so thatthe dividing of the purse and the fact that pac`spromoter is arum are 3 reasons,but the main reason is the fact that Miguel Cotto is going to knockout Pac.
@999sab
You’re definitely right… especially that manuela perez… where is he now? huh? really hate that guy
Several contributors to this site confidently (and stupidly) predicted a win for Marquez over Mayweather.
They should now eat crow.
cotto or pacman deserves a shot more than mosley who refused to fight mayweather a few years back, and who also took steroids. But it seems so called boxing fans seem to suffer from convenient memory loss.
I actually enjoyed this fight…in the past Mayweather hasn’t been the most exciting but last night you could really appriciate how good of a boxer he is…and i think he’ll beat Pacquiao
pacman will deystroy the money man mayweather n so will sugar shane mosley thats if he got the bottle 2 fight either of them !
Good. Now y’all see how great Mayweather Jr. still is. Pac’s chance if they will ever face off? Wala. Zero. Nada. Zilch. PBF is the man who beat the man who beat the man.
Marquez gave up a 6″ reach to Floyd
Marquez landed 69 of 583 punches (12%). The only person that I would think that can do this is Pernell Whittaker. Boxing writers and TV analysts are disappointed that Floyd didn’t close the show with a KO… hey, some people just have great chins, but that does not take away from the dominance. This was not a size problem… this was making a great fighter who throws awkward punches miss 514 punches. Marques is 5′ 6″ to Floyd 5′ 7″, Marquez actually had the longer reach and he missed 514 punches while Floyd landed 59% of his punches. How is that not a masterful display of boxing?
lol i wouldn’t say floyd is the best fighter since sugar ray lenord. i still think roy jones jr in his prime was a better faster fighter. although love or hate you can’t deny his skills. he like a quicker james toney.
MP-PBF will not happen unless PBF is willing to drain down to near-death level. But he won’t. He doesn’t need Pac. Pac is just a paper P4P champ.
the same as hop done to pavlik marquez was tricked into the weight and was very slow and looked shoot
Why was my comment deleted?
My apologies for praising FM!
Jeez
John won a questionable decision to whoever was asking and secondly i’m converted! Floyd, despite fighting a man lighter was unquestionably brilliant!
To all of the people calling this fight boring they need to f@*&$%ng watch it again because this was an epic display of the sweet science i could watch it over and over.
Floyd will beat pacman and he will ko him as pacman will jump in with big hooks and miss and get countered all night.
Id like to see paul williams fight floyd.
marquez is still good to me never ducks or runs from a fight win or losse he will still have my respect
he should change his name to floyd boring mayweather,this fight was pants,im not watching him again unless he fights someone his own size
Amazing the double standard going on. PBF called Mosley out twice and was denied, now that Mosley wants a big payday and demands a fight whilst stomping his feet, PBF should give in?
PBF owes nothing to Mosley. The sooner these idiot moronic Floyd haters understand what this sport is all about, the better off it will be.
I wonder where is manuela perez is hiding??? After his articles that predicted his/her husband marquez will win this?? Ahhh, I know!! He’s thinking bunch of excuses!!! AHAHAHAHA.. That was total domination on the part of PBF. So bring it on, PBF vs. MP!!!
Its Crazy how things are not that big of a deal for some boxers and to others its a big deal!
Like going in to the fight over the agreed weight. When Castillo came in a little over weight against the taller Corrales! It was a huge deal It was a black eye for boxing a disgrace!
But tonight no big deal.
Or like when they get cought cheating. even though they both claim they didnt know!
Again it was a Black eye for boxing when Magarito was cought with plaster like substance on his raps. When Mosley was cought taking steroids when he faught Delahoya rematch it was just a slap in the hand and we excepted his excuse!
It would be nice to see all boxers treated the same, no matter of where there from or any other reason!
No surprise about that! Moreover, being beaten by an overweight guy. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
boxing fan Says:
September 20th, 2009 at 4:28 am
mayweather proved that he can beat a small old midget.
Does any1 know the result of Chris John / Rocky Juarez fight?
The same Mosley who weasled out of the Clottey fight for a chance at a big payday vs the boxing cash cow’s doesnt deserve a chance to fight. I hope Mosley fights Clottey or Berto and gets knocked out. Mosley just wants a payday, he doesnt really think he can beat Floyd, Mosley is about to retire and would love a nice exit paycheck, and he only gets it from Floyd. Be real and call it for what it is. Mosley has nothing on Floyd, Floyd has fought bigger opponents since he came into the Pro’s remember Genaro Hernandez, Chico Corrales, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, De La Hoya, Hatton. Floyd is the g.o.a.t. Mosley sucks!
hell yeah go shane mosley u are the best welter weight in the sport if he gets a chance i hope he smashes mayweather to the next millenium
Nice post-fight thought, very nice. unlike Manuela Perez…