Juan Manuel Marquez, they stole his Dynamite
September 23rd, 2009
By Bal Kang: I wanted to take a step back before I wrote this piece as I wanted to gather my thoughts and not get to emotional, although I must stress I found it difficult. Now that the dust has settled and after reading countless articles I finally decided to put my take on the weekends ‘big fight’ however my angle is different to what has dominated most sports/boxing pages with the exception of a few.
I know Floyd Mayweather Jr is a wonderful talent, I do not doubt that in anyway and I am not suggesting that Juan Manuel Marquez would have beaten Mayweather had things been any different, not at that weight anyway. Marquez would have stood a lot better chance if the fight had taken place about three years ago and ideally at Super Featherweight, ideally being the operative word. Being a passionate ‘Fight Fan’ I know Mayweather Jr has many skills, in particular a great defence but I also know that he beat a much smaller man, a much, much smaller man who has equally as good skills and talent as ‘Money’ but was unable to display his in all their glory at a much advanced weight against an opponent who was naturally bigger, but felt the need to seek an even greater advantage by weighing in at 146lbs, heavier than the agreed weight limit and four lbs over an already much smaller Juan Manuel Marquez who weighed in at 142lbs.
Furthermore the Mayweather camp declined to the ‘unofficial’ weigh in which takes place on the day of the fight, you see this on HBO versions when they show you the ‘tale of the tape’, figures of the official weigh in and the weight they will actually enter the ring on the day of the fight, we gleam from this how much a fighter has hydrated back up to.
Without jumping to any conclusions, if I were a betting man I would suggest Floyd hydrated back up to around 160lbs on fight night and Marquez around 148lbs, so we’re talking about a difference of possibly up to three actual weight divisions!
Now what I find very disturbing is the sense of balance and reality that went missing in the early hours of Sunday morning. The Sky Sports commentators spoke of how Mayweather was making an incredibly exceptional fighter in Marquez look nothing more than ordinary, failing to mention that Marquez was fighting at Welterweight against a fully fledged Welterweight when he himself (Marquez) is naturally a Featherweight!
So to some of the more casual boxing fans who believe it or not, may have been watching Marquez apply his craft for the first time, may have walked away from the fight thinking “wow, look what Floyd did to Marquez”.
A certain Sky Sports commentator remarked on how Mayweather was handling Marquez far easier than Manny Pacquiao was able to. I’m not sure if that particular commentator would still stand by his comments on reflection? Because to my knowledge back in 2004 and 2008 Pacquiao fought Marquez at Featherweight and Super-Featherweight, yes that’s right they both weighed the same weight, I can’t recall Pacquiao holding any sort of weight advantage on fight night or at the weigh in. So if that was an attempt to benchmark than I would stress that’s not a like for like comparison.
After the fight the viewers were treated to the panel of experts, these are men who I have respect for but I was deeply disappointed with their comments and especially the lack of balance of what actually took place. I find it difficult to agree with a ‘panel of experts’ comparing Mayweather to Sugar Ray Leonard based on that performance. I mean someone who pays for the monthly subscription to watch these fights and genuinely gets excited about the pre and post fight studio panel discussion, I was left feeling extremely disappointed with what was being said.
Approximately four years ago, Mayweather Jr was in the ring with Sharmba Mitchell at 147 lbs, a few months later, Marquez was in the ring with Chris John at 125lbs, the same Chris John that was on the undercard of ‘numero uno/number one’.
Maybe it was the fact that Marquez was so thoroughly beaten, however you look at it, it was a perfect defensive boxers performance by Mayweather but however you look at it, it was against a ‘hand picked’ naturally smaller, made to order opponent who was visibly effected by the extra weight and as a result he sacrificed all of his skills that had taken him towards the top of the pound for pound rankings.
To say I couldn’t hide my disappointment would be an understatement or more to the point, I felt like a true modern day great, possibly Nacho Beristains’ greatest ever champion was sold short; he’s a true master and didn’t deserve to be treated like this!
Why was there no mention, not even the slightest mention of this fight being a mismatch right from the moment the fight was announced? Why was there no mention that Marquez did very well to go the distance, why was there no mention of the obvious size and weight advantages that Mayweather had over his opponent, or did they think these advantages were so obvious they didn’t warrant even being mentioned, not even once as a reminder?
I talk to quite a few people about Boxing and as one of them said “the real fight fan can’t be fooled” so I pledge to the ‘experts’ please do not try and pull the wool over the real fight fans eyes!
For those of you who have read my previous work you will know I am not biased or I try not to be, but reality is this media manipulation that Mayweather has put upon us really needs to stop. The media need to stop buying into this and as soon as that happens then, and only then, we might just see Mayweather in a real meaningful fight. I’m conscious this drum has been beating for a while; I can assure you it will keep beating louder until Mayweather fights a real Welterweight!
A great warrior like ‘Dinamita’ Marquez will want no-one feeling sorry for him, but I can’t help it my fellow amigo’s because I looked at his facial expression when Mayweather stepped onto the scales and weighed 146lbs, there was look of disbelief, a look of “I’ve been conned”, I mean it was a mammoth task to begin with for Marquez which was made even more so with the extra weight advantage that Mayweather bought for $600,000.
Sky Sports showed the post fight interview with Mayweather which had more excitement than the actual fight but what about Marquez? I mean I don’t know what happens behind the scenes, time constraints etc, but I would have much rather listened to Marquez than the ‘panel of experts’, the great Mexican warrior deserved to be heard and the British public who had watched the fight on Sky Sports would have no alternative but to stand to attention.
As a ‘Fight Fan’ I have it in my DNA to watch as much Boxing as I possibly can and I would give Mayweather all the credit he deserves if he had fought the likes of Margarito, Cotto and Mosley amongst others. Or why not do what Marquez has done and step up to fight someone like Paul Williams or even Kelly Pavlik, even by just stepping up to face these kind of challenges could potentially pave the way for Mayweather to be seen as a ‘Bigger Big Man’ in more ways than one.
I recall watching Brian Kenny undertake an interview with Mayweather on his ESPN show a while back, when Floyd was asked the question about a potential fight with Mosley his response was to the effect that Margarito, Cotto and Mosley have all been beaten, he’s beaten him and he’s beaten him and they’ve all beaten each other, yet I (Mayweather) I’m unbeaten” had I been sitting in Brian Kenny’s chair my response to that would be well you have not given them a chance to try and attempt to beat you, as you won’t fight them!
Now all of you Mayweather fans will not believe me when I say I have nothing against Floyd jr, I actually believe if I sat down with him that he would be quite a likeable guy, but as a fan of Boxing I find it hard to stomach when the real fight fans are being made a mockery of.
Should and it’s a big should, should Pacquiao beat Miguel Cotto then it’s inevitable that a Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight might well materialise and it will be huge, however, I call out to Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao, please do not give an inch at the negotiating table, I’m confident they won’t but I would not make that fight a single pound over 140lbs. Weight divisions exist for a reason, that reason was evident over the weekend, Pacquiao is the same size as Barrera, Morales and Marquez, he would be stepping up to a fully fledged Welterweight who could campaign effectively as a Light Middleweight and if he (Mayweather) wanted to attempt a Marquez or a Pacquiao he could even have a fight or two at Middleweight.
I know many people will disagree with me, subject to Pacquiao getting past Cotto, I think deep down Pacquiao is far to small for Mayweather and Floyd knows that, I’m not suggesting Pacquiao can’t beat Mayweather, Pacquiao will still take the fight because he rightly so is a phenomenon, but I don’t think it’s a fight that should be made above 140lbs.
The reason for this is some people are giving a lot of credit to Mayweather for beating Marquez especially a lot of the British press, I have even read this morning how one writer for a very reputable newspaper has stated that all Mayweather needs to do now is beat Mosley and Pacquiao in that order to confirm his all time great status, another has already stated that after his performance against Marquez, Mayweather without any dispute should be considered an all time great, amongst the greatest boxers that ever laced up a pair of gloves. Yes a win over Mosley would have a lot of substance despite Mosley getting on a bit, but a win over Pacquiao means nothing, nothing at all, it proves that he can defeat a much smaller guy, a guy who is smaller in every single department than Mayweather, apart from in courage. If we could measure each mans courage it would outweigh Mayweather without any shadow of a doubt!
If any of you ‘experts’ are reading this then I point you to one of my previous articles ‘Marquez, Pacquiao – The Little Big Men’ I would ask you to read it before you start landing the plaudits on Mayweather.
The real star of the show was Juan Manuel ‘Dinamita’ Marquez; even though he was robbed of his dynamite before he even stepped in to the ring!
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roots, first of all. this is not a race argument. this is boxing. i do not care about any computer generated fight that people came up with in the ali days. mayweather is an extremely talented boxer. all i am saying is that if he wants true immortality in boxing. he should start fighting real people. stop being an a-hole about your pretty boy.
Roots- Pac and Roach made Oscar come in at 147? LOL! First of all, it was Oscar who chose the terms, secondly, you wanted Pac to jump from 135 to 154 in a matter of 5 months? LOL! It’s all racism roots…that’s all it is.
Roots that chip on your shoulder must be really bothering you. Let it go, seek some help or maybe get a hug or something. Ive never seen anything written by Roots that didnt have something about racism in it. Save it for oprah.
good article.. the point here is mayweather is a cheater further not a gentleman a contract is a contract agreed by both parties… why he shouldnt come at 144lbs? in doing so no more excuses to whatever the outcome. you know floyd made people think hes win is not legitimate. Before the fight i openly predict a Mayweather by UD even at 144 how much more at hes 146lbs…
Roots you’re a moron, what has race to do with this discussion. To me the best is Leonard, the last time I look he’s still black. Your Floyd doesn’t even come close to Leaonard.
AND SUNDAY DON´T MENTION ALI´S NAME.IN THE 60S YOUR RACIST FATHERS WAS DOING AND SAYING THE SAME THING TO ALI THAT ALL OF YOU ARE TRYING TO DO TO FLOYD.HELL YOU BASTARDS EVEN DEVELOPED A COMPUTER TOURNAMENT WHERE CRAPPY FIGHTERS LIKE GENE TUNNEY WAS SUPPOSE TO BEAT UP ALI,YOU HYPROCRITICAL GERMS.MAYWEATHER IS THE KING OF THE RING A-HOLES GET USE TO IT.
YOU PEOPLE ARE SO BIGGOTED,IT MAKES ME WANT TO EXPLODE.OSCAR INSISTED THAT FLOYD COME IN AT JR.MIDDLE,WEAR 10 OUNCE GLOVES,OSCAR INSISTED THAT A HUGE MIDDLE WEIGHT LIKE HOPKINS,(DEFENDING HIS TITLE)COME IN AT 156.PAC AND ROACH INSISTED THAT OSCAR COME IN AT 147(DYHYDRATING HIMSELF),NOW HE IS INSISTING THAT COTTO COME IN AT A EVEN LOWER WEIGHT,KNOWING THAT COTTO HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS MAKING THAT LOWER WEIGHT.AND YOU GERMS HAVE THE GALL TO CRITICIZE FLOYD.CHERRY-PICKING IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER.FLOYD IS GOING TO MAKE YOU GERMS CRY SOME MORE BELIEVE IT.
FLOYD WASW RIGHT NOT TO WEAKEN HIMSELF,JUST TO SATISFY YOU BUNCH OF RACIST TRASH.AFTER THE DIAZ FIGHT,MARQUEZ CALLED OUT FLOYD,KNOWING THAT FLOYD WAS A WELTER,WHY SHOULD FLOYD DO HIS OR ANY OF YOU A..HOLES BIDDING.FLOYD DID´NT INSIST THAT OSCAR COME IN AT WELTER OR WEAR 8OUNCE GLOVES.I HOPE COTTO KILLS THAT PAC-MAN,WHO IS THE REAL CHERRY-PICKER.HE IS ALLOWED TO FIGHT FOR THE WELTER TITLE WHILE INSISTING THAT THE CHAMPION COME IN AT 144,WHEN THE LIMIT IS 147.TALK ABOUT CORRUPTION IN BOXING.
mayweather has to fight the likes of cotto, mosley and the rest of the top welterweights to be considered great. muhammad ali fought all the major heavyweights in his day, sugar ray leonard fought the likes of duran, hagler,hearns.i am sure that mayweather knows the road to greatness and he has to take that road and stop defending the 0 on his record by fighting smaller fighters.
And what’s with the comparison to Leonard, that’s so far from the truth. For everybody’s information number one, Leonard made his name fighting bigger guys. Second, Leonard is one of the most exciting offensive boxer who was not afraid to exchange blows with anyone. I know Leonard, Mayweather is no Leonard, sorry not even close.
These Mayweather lemmings are really funny. They can’t tell the difference between a featherweight and a welterweight. They have no concept of the natural weight difference between boxers. Not only did Floyd came at weigh in heavier than the agreed weight, and this writer is right, he probably is about 15 lbs heavier than Marquez at fight time. HELLO Floyd lemmings don’t you guys get it, Floyd should fight welterweights not a 142 pound featherweight.
Brilliant insightfull article
“RAY CHARLES CAN SEE YOUR BIASES”
awful floyd snr quote x0
CATCH WEIGHT FIGHTS ,BHOP OSCAR D, BHOP PAV, PAV WILLIAMS,PAC OSCAR,OSCAR FLOYD,BHOP TRINIDAD,NOW WHY IS ALL THE ANGER AT FLOYD MAYWEATHER ,RAY CHARLES CAN SEE YOUR BIASES,TELL THE TRUTH YOU WANT TO SEE MAYWEATHER LOOSE.ITS KILLING YOU,THATS ALLRIGHT HE WILL LOOSE ,TO FATHER TIME,THIS ARGUMENT ABOUT TRUE BOXING FANS KNOW THE WEIGHT DIFFERENCE HOLDS WATER,A RIVER OF TEARS.
Fantastic article! Some really great points. Nice to see a writer using common sense!
Vince you sound like a complete chump but your ability to rhyme SKILLS with BILLS is truely amazing!
Size had nothing to do with it,skills pay the bills.He was just a better fighter,give the man his due.Whats the reason gonna be when he beats SSM.
Yes Mayweather’s skill obviously had something to do with the outcome, but it also had a lot to do with the size disparity. Does that, along with my previous post, answer your question Ben?
@ Ben – Marquez is 36 years old moved up two weight divisions…what does that do? When your past your natural weight, it makes you much much slower…i.e. your punches are slow so they’re easier to block and your defense is slower so you’re easier to hit. Does that answer your question?
I can tell you how floyds weight bennifited him. He hit much harder than Marquez, was able to take Marquez’s shot as if they were nothing. Even Mayweathers jabs were snapping Marquez,s head back and since Mayweather has an amazing jab you do the math.
Every shot he hit Marquez with hurt him. That wouldnt happen if he faught a proper welterweight. Am i wrong?
Great article. Money and catch weight contests are destroying the modern game. And before you say it I know catch weights aren’t new – but they’re becoming far more frequent nowadays with the amount of money involved now. Greats like Ali established their reputation by fighting the best at their best on equal terms. TV companies wanting revenue and paying for fights fans want to see despite obvious size differences don’t do fighters reputations any good – there are always excuses. One fighter is drained to make the weight, the other has physical disadvantages. Yes it can make the contests interesting, but the bottom line is that it is no longer a level playing field and this is the only place true competition can exist. If it wasn’t the fans wouldn’t be baying for Mayweather Mosely or Mayweather Williams. True fans would rather see either of these fights than PBF Manny as there’d be no excuses for either guy.
Ok so it looks like nobody at all can show me how flloyds weight benefited him in this fight?
It was more to do with his natural skill and speed, than it was to do with his power and weight.
Stop making excuses, Marquez, the number 2 p4p fighter… got beat, he lost every round and didnt even hit flloyd properly.
Thats nothing to do with weight.
having similar issues leaving a comment – its telling me i’m blacklisted by this blogger despite having never having commmented on one of his articles before?
If you are refering to the post fight analysis from Nicky Piper, Glen McCrory and Johnny Nelson i totally agree with you. They are all ex champions of one form or another and should have know better.
Athough Mayweather had every possible advantage going into the fight, they talked about his victory as if he was the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. He basiacally did everything apart from walk on water.
To be honest i was disgusted by them. Usually i really look forward to the post fight analysis but i wont bother watching it if them clowns are doing it for the next fight. They lost any credibility that they might have had.
Few people can move up in weight and carry the speed and power they had at lower weight divisions. Pretty Boy did it when he fought Oscar, but he really only moved up 3lbs. Pacquiao’s done it recently. Don’t get me wrong, I think FMJ is the most technically gifted boxer right now…more so than Shane, more so than Cotto, more so than Pacquiao, but I think we all knew from the day the fight was announced we knew Marquez wouldn’t be able to bang with Floyd at weltwerweight. I understand he may have wanted a tune up fight, but Marquez? I didn’t pay to see that. I WOULD have paid to see him in a tune up against Berto, Cintron, Quintana.
I agree with many points in the article but think Marquez was in over his head at 144 or 146.If Manny beats Cotto however who is a legitimate welter then there can be no excuses for him when he fights PBF.I think Floyd beats Manny every day but the issue he has is that for all his skills he has not really carried KO power with him so his fights are all likely to be points wins at 147.That said I still think he beats Mosely and Cotto ,, his biggest threat is probabaly Williams who is huge at 147.
Hey Jeride – I agree with you that skill had a lot to do with how Floyd gave Marquez a boxing clinic. However, you’re taking me wrong if you think I’m saying that Mayweather used HIS weight advantage to beat Marquez to a pulp. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying Marquez at 142 is not the caliber of fighter Marquez was at 130 or 135. Slower punches, slower defense, slower reflexes, plus, his power against a guy Floyd’s size is nothing compared to someone at 130. That’s why I say the size difference had a lot to do with the outcome.
@ a fight fan
I am a real fight fan…TELL ME what went on SATURDAY?
@nepster
Thank you, but why not say the SKILL LEVEL, was the difference in this FIGHT? Why say, it was the weight…he didn’t lean on him and use his weight. He put on a BOXING CLINIC…his shots were perfectly placed, footwork was quick and his DEFENSE was IMPECCABLE. Unlike when ODLH fought FLOYD…he used his weight. Also, why not say by FLOYD moving up to JR. Middleweight to fight OSCAR, his speed should have been compromised…but it wasn’t. So why give Juan Manual Marquez that excuse for not being able to be competitive and why can’t it be that FLOYD is just that GOOD. Good enough to make a GREAT WARRIOR and MEXICAN LEGEND look like a MEXICAN AMATEUR?
I just ask for once…WHY NOT GIVE THIS MAN HIS ACCOLADES? I fear even when, or do, fight SHANE MOSELEY and if he win..people are going to say, well SHANE was old and busted anyway. Yall will never give him, his just due, without some negative controversy.
A great article, People who dont know boxing would not think the same but if they want to belive what the media is salling them Good luck. ignorance is everywhere. Real fight fans know exactly what went on on saturday.
Mayweather Jnr for all his faults is a great fighter, defensively the best there is. But if he wants the adulation that he craves so much,then it’s fights against the likes of Mosley,Paul Williams and Cotto that he needs to take. Marquez is also a great fighter with nothing to prove,but he was never going to cut it a WW,especially against Mayweather. I fear the same for Pacman,at LWW he has taken his power and speed up with him and proved to be devastating. But I think the step up to WW may be a little too far. I think Cotto will beat Pac, and a little easier than some people think. Then it will be Cotto v Mayweather, hopefully leading to the winner of that,fighting the winner of Mosley v Williams. That I think would be nice : )
ricky hatton a heavy puncher give floyd problems, pac would take shots from ricky then make him pay and where was ricky taking a nap in the canvas.
i see floyd in dreamland, i have seen it!
Interesting, well reasoned article. There is, however, one point on which I feel the writer is mistaken. Fighters who sustain a beating like Cotto did against Margarito (loaded gloves or not) are never the same again.
This is a fact. I take no pleasure in saying this. I’m a Cotto fan. At his best he was a beautiful fighter to watch. But his best is now just a memory. Truth is if Clottey had upped the intensity a little against Cotto, Cotto, who liked like he wanted out at the end of the 9th, would have been stopped for the second time in three fights.
Arum, Roach and Pacman know this. That’s why their happy to fight him ahead of a potential money spinning match againt Mayweather. Its not rocket science folks.
Reality check: Shane Mosley, even at 37 was the only man with the talent and tenacity to take on, then slaughter, Margarito. Cotto was brave enough to fight him but as we know, got stopped.
Mayweather was scared of Margarito, so scared he turned down a confirmed $8M purse to avoid him! Now fight Shane Mosley? He’s been ducking Sugar for years, don’t expect that to change now.
Yours in sport, Reptile.
Shane Mosley, still P4P No. 1 after all these years!
mayweather is a fish
Sugar Ray Leonard he was the complete fighter well ahead of the rest.. could fight toe to toe or box anyone.. duran,hagler,hearns..need i go on..mayweather is one crafty so and so defending his 0
it depends what you consider a win, marquez was hurt more in the 1st rnd with pac vs jmm-1. than the whole 12 rnds with floyd. pac’s warrior mentality and conviction might be too much for floyd. as said pac is in there to get hit! he doesn’t care, he takes 1 to deliver 3 plus change.
the pace would be so intense floyd will have trouble adjusting like the stationary marquez.
mental game, like marquez respected floyd counter punching skill and the figth was over, pac loves to fight as marquez stated.
Mayweather-Pac, would it be one sided like JMM? Abbsolutely not. Why? Because Pac has carried his speed and power with him. ODLH said Mayweather has more skill, no doubt, I think most fans agree, but he also said Pac has faster hands and he felt like there were 10 Pac’s in the ring with him that night and he throws punches in crazy angles. Would Mayweather win? Probably…does Pac have a decent shot? Absolutely.
i felt gutted when pretty boy beat hatton,i was in the mgm grand and i was in shock and when i flew home a couple of days after that fight i watched the fight again and tried to blame everything and anything.you,ve got to face facts lke i had to floyd is just a master craftsman and no matter how good you are he makes you fight his fight and makes you look terribly normal in doing it!!!marquez showed alot of heart but i’m afaid if pacman beats cotto,this so called super fight will be equally one-sided.he will only be beat if he carries on too long.
For me to consider PBF with the likes of Leonard or Robinson he would have to beat P.Williams, Mosley, and if Pac wants it he can catch a quick boxing lesson from PBF who is bigger and just as fast and strong enugh to k.o Pac… I believe the Pac vs PBF would be like PBF vs Hatton… PBF greatest victory is over ODLH becuase he fought him at Jr middle weight I give him respect and credit for that but picking on small fighters hell no!
Mayweather huggers continue to ask how did weight play a factor in the fight on Saturday…simple…Marquez is 36 years old moved up two weight divisions…what does that do? When your past your natural weight, it makes you much much slower…i.e. your punches are slow so they’re easier to block and your defense is slower so you’re easier to hit. Does that answer your question?
Great article!!! So some of you dont understand what the weight advantage did for PBF lets see maybe the fact that he wasn’t moved by JMM the few times that he landed… JMM was visibly smaller in the ring so he was unable to cut off the ring… when a welter rehydrates from 147 its usually between 156 to 160 JMM came in 142 rehydrated to 148 that alone tells u he had no bussiness at welter… But then again this was his biggest Payday
mayweather really angers me, he fights to impress the casual boxing fans who dnt realise whats real going on, they hear that hes easily beat the 3rd best in the world and they then fink hes a modern icon or summat, he is a great boxer but whens he going to have a real fight, btw i fink the hatton fight was a good fight, he was just to good, but at least hatton won rounds, this last fight was an apsolute joke and i feel so bad for marquez
yall need too to stop making EXCUSES as to why all of floyds opponents get beat , and get beat easyly [is easyly a word?]i am now a pbf lover …after saturdays performance , people are already getting there reasons [excuses!]ready for when he schools mosley and pac-whats his name !!go mayweather !! you already are one of the all time greats..fmj is what roy jones coulda shoulda been !!
THE TEARS KEEP FLOWING,ITS GOING TO BE FLOODING , EVERY ONE WAS PRAYING MAYWHEATHE WOULD COME IN THE FIGHT OSCARED AS IN DEHYDRATED DELAHOYA ,YOU WANTED HIM WEAK,TO CATCH A BEATING .IT DIDNT HAPPEN,QUIT CRYING,BETTER YET GO GET YOU BABY BOTTLE, A PACFIER.THE ONLY ONE THATS GOING TO BEAT FLOYD MAYWEATHER ITS NOT PAC MAN OR COTTO OR WILLIAMS OR MOSLEY THEY JUST DONT HAVE THE SKILL SET.HE WILL BE BEAT BY FATHER TIME.
Why mention Williams? Thot he has moved up to welter weight.
Cotto doesn’t seem to be getting much grief for fighting Pacquiao at 145 and should he win (which I think he will) it will be heralded as a huge achievement DESPITE the clear disparity in their respective weights.
I do agree with the author of this piece that Mayweather will only truly receive/deserve his dues once he has had a go at Cotto, Sugar Shane and (hopefully) Williams. In fact, I think that a win over Williams would be his biggest achievement. Although, I think he’d get battered.
And ODLH’s fight with Pac was at 147. Pac came in at 142 and YES, ODLH got criticized VERY heavily for that fight and most people considered it a circus show.
BobbyW – great point about Pac fighting Floyd. My friends say Pac is too small for Mayweather, but Cotto’s got a chance and my rationale was, if Pac beats Cotto, how could you say Cotto’s got a chance to beat FMJ but Pac’s too small IF he beats Cotto who’s an elite welterweight?
Jeride – the reason ODLH didn’t get criticized for his fight with PBF is because aside from weight, pretty boy floyd was younger, much faster, considered the pound for pound best, and as technically more sound at the time they fought. ODLH only obvious advantage was the weight.
wont let me comment???
I understand the points that you’re trying to make but this is a great example of a poorly written article in terms of your grammar and general writing style.
A point to consider – if Mayweather does end up fighting Pacquiao he will do so because Pac has beaten Cotto – who is of course a fully fledged welter. If PBF fought Cotto, I’m sure you wouldn’t chastise with him for taking that fight, so if Pac beats Cotto you cannot take umbrage with PBF for fighting the filipino buzzsaw.
Dude – I completely agree and it’s a wonder how Pretty Boy has managed to fool these fans. He basically bought an insurance coverage for the fight to the tune of $600,000 and as the casual fan may be fooled by his performance, most experts are not…Doug Fischer, Michael Rosenthal, Dan Rafeal, etc. My guess was Floyd wasn’t even sure about his own skill that he didn’t even bother coming in at the catchweight, and WTF about not allowing the weigh in come fight night? He didn’t want people to “officially” know he had an advantage when it’s obvious he would? I knew from the start this was a mismatch, I refused to pay $50 to watch it, and it came out just as I predicted…a UD by FMJ. You’re right, at 130-135, I’m not saying the result would have been different, but it would have been much more competitive as JMM would not be NEARLY as slow as he was fight night. Pretty Boy Floyd is like that lazy genius…all the talent in the world but doesn’t want to challenge himself.
Great Article…i respect your opinion!!!
I have one problem…Why is Floyd constantly criticized, I mean he fought a great fight against a GREAT FIGHTER. But everyone wants to throw the WEIGHT thing in there…But nobody said anything about ODH vs PBF, when OSCAR out weighed Floyd by 4LB. I mean they don’t even mention it…WHY IS THAT? Is it because Floyd won and IF SO, why not chastise Oscar for fighting a Small fighter?
Another fact, when Oscar fought Manny it was at a catch weight of 140LB…Oscar official weight was 145lb, that is 5lb over. And he didn’t criticize for coming in the RING overweight…Why the double standard?
I say just be fair, PLEASE!!!
How did mayweathers weight benefit him at all in that fight?
Explain to me how it made one bit of difference?
Mayweather didnt bully marquez or chuck him around, and mayweather didnt really eat any of marquez punches so his chin was not needed.
How exactly did he benefit from the slight weight difference?