Pacquiao and His Critics!
August 3rd, 2009
By George Guello: Let me start off by saying that the numerous articles that have been posted on the internet this past few weeks about Manny Pacquiao never ceases to amaze me. It is pretty evident that this little guy from the archipelago of the Philippines had crossed over to mainstream boxing. I would say that it is a gauge on how popular the aforementioned has become and many would concur with me. But with the glamour and success comes an opportunity for critics to lambast and do what they are trained to do, find a hole on the P4P champ’s fortified wall.
No question Pacquiao has it and he showed it again when he lost to the great Erik Morales in 2005 and went to strike back by annihilating the latter twice in 2006. Since that lost 4 years ago, the phenom called Pacman went on a roll winning 10 straight bouts knocking out 7. Oscar Dela Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez top the list of Pacman’s victims. Pretty impressive victories over Future Hall of Famers but such feat is not good enough for other people.
I don’t have a problem with critics, it’s definitely normal to have one especially if you’re at the top. But there is a line between criticizing someone objectively and just simply hating. As of this time I’ve read around ten articles written by a couple of boxing scribes the last 5 days criticizing or should I say degrading Manny about his upcoming fight against Miguel Cotto and his accomplishments.
Most of their points don’t hold water. My God, it only shows that the champ is at the top of the boxing world because if you are being hated on it only means that you are being envied by those people. One of the writers I’m referring to, whose initials is the same with the champ, does nothing but to write about Pacquiao twice a day.
He must be having some success in attracting views and hits from the fans that one his colleagues followed suit and started his own bombardment by saying that the only way Manny wins his upcoming fight against Cotto is if the latter feels any effect of the 2 extra pounds that he has to shed. Is Manny that bad? To answer my own question it is a resounding no!
This same writer must be in wonderland like when Hatton got knocked-out by Manny by stating that he agreed with the Brit’s recent statement that he was winning the 2nd round by a mile before he got floored that ended the fight. And the most recent issue that was addressed was the weight limit and whether Cotto should stake his WBO crown on the line.
145 pounds is not as bad considering the fact that the last time Pacquiao weighed against Hatton he was only 138lbs and Cotto tipped the scales at 146 lbs in his last bout, just a pound over the agreed weight. Now who do you think will exert more effort between the two at the proposed weight? For me it’s Pacquiao since he has more grounds to cover.
For your information, 147 lbs is not the welterweight weight rather it is the maximum weight. There’s a big difference between the two. Having said that, the WBO diadem that Cotto currently holds should be on the line since 145 lbs is well within the division’s weight range of 141-147.
Lastly, everyone should realize that even before Manny stepped on the ring with Oscar Dela Hoya and Ricky Hatton, he was already considered as the P4P champ and his legacy as a great fighter was already secured by being one of the very few fighters to win 5 championship belts in 5 divisions.
To these guys, there are other boxers to write about. It’s like getting up every morning with the same set of breakfast. It’s always Manny, Manny and more Manny and the fans just keep falling for it. The more you insult Manny the more he’ll prove you wrong. Well what could you do? It is what it is!
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It goes to show that these self proclaimed boxing expert/writers are riding on Manny “The Great” Pacquiao’s popularity. Their write-ups were all boring so they decided to write about Manny to get the readers’s interests.
those who hates manny should fight manny in the ring
Mr. rich…SHUT UP!!!!
Shadow it so happens that you are part of the minority who would pay 100 bucks for cotto-mosley 2 over pac-cotto 1 for fifty. I wouldn’t call you names because I do have class unlike you.As for your comment about hatton not tagging pacquiao in the body, well it only means one thing, pacquiao prepared for it in training and it worked. He was moving alot avoiding Hatton’s blow. But that doesn’t rule out the fact that Hatton is indeed a body puncher. just look on his previous fights. Let’s say Cotto is a legit body puncher as you claim he is, the question is will there be an assurance that he will connect because you cant hurt what you cant catch. I just answered your question on who amongst Pac’s previous opponent is a legit body puncher, well Hatton fits the bill. No one was saying that Hatton is overrated until Pac made him look like one. Come on, the guy defeated some above average fighters with his style and only lost to pound for pound champs. that says alot man.
TDC – Mate how many times do I have to say this!
147lbs is the max weight you can weigh in for the WW division if the Belt is to be on the line Cotto should have the right to weigh in at what he wants. I have no problem with a catch weight fight at 145lbs, just a problem with taking a fighters rights away especially when it comes to putting his belt on the line!
Stop being blinded I don’t hate PAC he deserves to be P4P 1 but his demands are wrong!
Let’s get this straight, even if the fight were to take place at 145 pounds, this will still be a welterweight battle and therefore I believe a belt CAN be put on the line without diminishing the value of a championship bout. As long as the catch-weight is within the welterweight division and both parties agree, then I see no problems. I’ve witnessed the highly debated topic of whether a belt should be involved since the fight will take place 2 pounds lighter than the 147-limit, at 145. Maybe we are all forgetting that when Oscar de la Hoya fought Bernard Hopkins, that was also a catch-weight. The bottom line is that the welterweight (and other divisions) limits are a “window” so-to-speak. If you weigh between the window of 141 to 147 pounds, you must compete in the welterweight division. The same goes for each and every other weight class in the sweet science. There is nothing that requires you to always be at the max limit come weigh-ins. This is the favored weight in the welters considering a boxer would ideally be at their “max” potential.
Instead of focusing on the 2 pound difference we should, instead, redirect our attention to the core of the matter: this will be a GREAT fight. Quite honestly, the move that Manny Pacquiao has made thus far exceeds the limits that a boxer should/could normally make. One would deem Joan Guzman a madman if he were to ever challenge say, Paul Williams. But for the sake of examples pretend that Guzman is p4p king and Williams is at number 3 or 4, would it be fair for the much smaller Guzman to make the hike up alone? Let’s be real because the fact is Cotto wants this fight as much as Pacquiao does. It wouldn’t be fair to ask Cotto to come down to 140, a division in which Pacquiao recently disposed the reigning king of, so why ask the Pacman to lay it all on the line—alone?
well said george. . 2 thumbs up for you
LOL did g-man just correct my comment by saying that Pacman faced a legit body puncher when he fought hatton? listen retard, #1 you will never know how much one person could hate an “athlete” til you know how much i hate Hatton. #2 Hatton=body puncher … listen idiot.. Hatton has and IS one of the most overrated fighter in boxing.. and like his style was when he fought JMM and KT it was neither selective nor coordinated…. he threw shots and that was that.. dont believe watch the fights again. and finally #3 you just told me that Hatton was a LEGIT BODY PUNCHER who fought Pacquiao? are you stupid or blind? did u watch the fight? you don’t even need to pay attention to be able to count how many punches Hatton threw. you dumbass. and no JMM did not win against Pacquiao … i am Pacquiao fan as well as a Cotto fan and i would love to see this fight go down as much as everyone in here. But i also am brutally honest sometimes and i call it like i see… as far as i am concerned the Champ calls the rules and regulations not the challenger. it’s just stupid but Cotto sucked it up and took it. a 65-35 a 145lbs weight limit and he is not complaining… but it just so happens that when Cotto does put his foot down about something Pacman and the Roach start whining like little girls who cant have their tea party… you what’s funny? another one of Roach’s little trainees, Khan, seem to be doing similar thing in a different division. but he’s not as important as Pacman so he can just have his title taken away some he wont get his ass handed to him by Maidana.
Honestly this is what i see as a fan of both. Pacquiao has to chances at winning against Cotto fight like Mayweather.. jump in hit jump out… and win on points or (and this what i think will happen) BECAUSE of that nasty cut Cotto got in his last fight… the fight being in November isn’t enough to heal the cut fully. If Pacquiao re-opens that cut, unlike Clottey, Pacquiao will aim and bust that eye up pretty good, he has that speed and enough power to do it. That is what Cotto’s only bad decision is right now and that’s the time in between fights should it happen in November. Cotto has been rocked and knocked down quite a few times but Pacquiao’s only chance at doing that to him is a phantom punch and it better be a good one.
SO PLEASE! don’t ever insult boxing again by saying the hatton is a true body puncher. and STFU about Cotto needing Pacquiao and how much pacman doesnt needs this cuz personally if you gave a choice between $50 for a Pacquiao vs Cotto or $100 for a Mosley vs Cotto 2 i would pay the 100.. trust me on that
Vince, you can’t con-vince me that it is easier to go up than come down. It is better for some guys to go up if they are struggling to meet a lower weight and maybe that is why Cotto swells up after the weigh in. Conversely, a naturally smaller guy loses speed and power if he has to carry extra, uncomfortable weight.
But it depends on what stage of a fighter’s life it is. As a fighter gets older it is harder to take weight off and put it back on. Look at how easy Williams can do it…for now. But even then it will take a toll on the body.
It also depends on a person’s metabolism, frame and other nutritional factors. So to make a statement like that is not accurate. I am not here to defend either guy. If the contract calls for 145 so be it. personally, I would like Manny to just fight and get it over with.
I do not mind a catch weight because it gives us a chance to see a good match up but the posturing and bickering is too much. This may be a ploy to make it bgiiger and make more $ and guess who pays for it anyhow? Cotto wants more $ and maybe as champ he should get more. Soon he will be an exchamp anyway so he might as well get the most!
I just finished watching MMA greatest 100 fights. The only thing that impressed me was the KO’s and that is boxing. The fights ended quickly because they are almost barenuckles, so the shots have more impact . They break bones and rip skin so we see lots of blood.
With bigger gloves and better technique, boxing has better and cleaner KO’s than MMA. People seeing those 100 highlights may feel MMA is so exciting. Just wait until they get on the ground and start clinging to each other like static! It gets boring very quickly hearing big men groan. If I want groaning, I watch women’s tennis. There I get to imagine it was me making them scream.
But please, the point is that MMA is doing their best to make their product attractive to casual fans. Boxing is doing the exact opposite. MMA makes the guys fight and give great match ups. Boxing lets guys pick and choose who to fight based on the most $ to be earned.
If you can’t stump with the big dogs,don’t stump at all.Pacman stay at 140.
Always remember,its easier to go up in weight than to come down in weight.Ask any boxer that and they’ll tell you the same thing.They agreed to fight at 145lbs and no title,now its fight at 145lbs and the title is on the line.If you ask me Cotto is being railroaded.And you don’t have to be a Cotto fan to see this.
you guys are talking about legacy, do you really think pac build his legacy all ready.hahahaha,if you talk about legacy.what are you going to do.hahahahaha
@chestertyson
you hit the point!!!
great comment..
It seems like the most talk about point in this debate is the “catch weight” thing. Now I just want to make sure i understand this properly…Manny vs Cotto….Isnt this one of the fights boxing fans want to see happen? Now the way I see this catchweight thing is like this…you have 2 group of fighters….some on the 140lb jr welter and under and the others on the 141 to 147 welter. Both weight classes has some outstanding and great fighters, but one or a few just seem too good for that weight class and you would wanna see how he would do againts someone else that might put on a better fight than the fighters around him. Unfortunately the only fihters that could provide a challange for him is in a higher weigh div…who does the fans want to see him fight…Floyd Mayweather Jr, Sugar Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto. Some even called for Paul williams…all these guys are naturaly bigger than Manny. So to give the fans the fight they want….they want to see Manny fight bigger fighters and that alone leave Manny at a disadvantage. So to be fair for both fighters….the catch weight comes in…to even out the playing field….so the smaller man can fight the bigger man…in the middle so to speak. So manny moving up 5Lbs and meeting Cotto who is going down 2Lbs is not exactly at the middle. But I guess its fair enough because Manny gets a bigger share of the purse and a possible 7th title. Manny is not asking bigger fighters that the fans want to see him fight drain themselves to his advantage…the smaller man just wants to even out the playing field. It does sound right i guess that if you cannot make the higher weight limit you shouldnt bother at all, but this is one of the fights we all want to see…the fans know it….the fighters know it…Manny just wants a level playing field. When Oscar lost to Manny, a fight that was suggested by Larry Merchant(a fight fan)…people stated calling that win a sham because Oscar was drained and they even suggested that Oscar would had ko’d Manny if they were fighting in Oscars ideal weight…that makes sense…get a 135lb fighter to go to 158…makes sense to some people I guess. What we have here is Manny…a fighter so good that we want to see him fight the best, even though those fighters are in a higher weight class, and Manny will fight them but in a somewhat level playing field. Manny has beaten so many great fighters in so many weight divisions but he can only climb so high in the scales. He and roach even said that the manny’s ideal wight is 140, the maximum weight he can reach, but we as fight fans cant get enough of him and want more…only 7 pounds more Manny…you can do it…I think we are asking this little man too much. But once again, Manny will fight on because his fans ask for it…
very well said g-man.
im sick to all of this complaining..
and it makes me thingking.. is this a preparation to the question ” WHY DID COTTO LOST TO THE MAN”.
ok i get it already..
should i suggest to ” the white gorilla – marley ” to make an article about this now, even though there is no contract signed yet?
i bet lot of PACHATERS out there will have lot of things to say.
i think its a good idea..
watcha think?
Pacquiao is doing Cotto a favor to begin with. The latter was only paid 2 million in a non PPV fight against Clottey and he didn’t look that superb. Maybe the cuts or Clottey is just one tough SOB but after that fight the Cotto’s marketability dropped at a substantial rate. FYI people he (cotto) is about to bank his biggest paycheck for fighting the MAN!!!! It would be extremely hard to deny what I just said.
I concur Superman! nuf said….
Shadow does Ricky Hatton ring a bell to you? Well the guy pummeled both Kosta Tszyu and Castillo to submission by using body shots. JMM I would say is an above average body puncher with precision. And please don’t give me an argument that ricky is overrated blah blah blah or JMM should’ve won against Pacquiao.
ok ok ok ok
il make it simple so that all this dumb talking will come to an end!
-PACMAN DOESNT NEED COTTO, ITS COTTO WHO NEEDED PACMAN TO PROVE SOMETHING – that simple.
if you PACHATERS will keep complaining.. tell cotto to not fight the man (PAcMAN = is “the man”).
because as i remember, its cotto who calls PACMAN after jenning fight.
to all cotto fans:
please be happy atleast your COTTO has this chance to ride to PACMANS BUS!!!
get real!
If Pacman’s as great as you say and has improved all his weaknesses… then accepting the terms of the CHAMPION.. not the challenger… the champion to gain 2 miserable lbs so he can fight for the belt shouldn’t be a problem .. wouldn’t you think? or maybe with improving his weaknesses he shouldn’t have a problem getting in the ring with a hard body puncher… remind me again.. how many legit body puncher has Pacman faced since his knockouts?
Some people on this site have to learn how to read between the lines when it comes to some of the writers here.
All i here are complaints,but yet those so called writers that you guys cant stand get the most responses.
Ever think of not responding to there articles…
Maybe they will go away…
Now i get it. The reason why Santiago and Perez keeps on writing Stupid Stuffs from their stupid brain about pacquiao is that they’re mexicans just like all those Mexican Heroes that Manny slaughtered. LOL
Good stuff BigTone!
Is Pac coming into this fight with Cotto as a WW champ?NO!he isnt.
Alot of Pac fans said the same thing about Mosley,that Mosley wants a piece of Pac and Pac is the PFPchamp so Pac gets to dictate.
Now what do we have,a fight in witch Cotto is the legit WW champ coming into this fight and yet fans of Pac say “whats the difference in a couple pounds,Cotto will be well over the WW limit come fight night anyway’s.Cotto fights at welter weight,not jr welter weight but welter weight 147lbs not 140lbs.Some fighters gain more than other fighters after the weigh in.The ones that gain more after the weigh in usually worked harder to get down to that specific weight.I said it b4,if a fighter can make a certain weight at the weigh in then that fighter can fight at that weight come fight night.It Doesn’t matter how tall or how much weight that fighter puts on after the weigh in.
Now Pac fans are saying that Cotto should get out of the WW limit of 147lbs and go to jr middle.Why!?
The fact is that Pac is the one that’s trying to fight these welter weights,they make the weight,they don’t have a problem making the weight.These legit welter’s dont ask there opponent to come down in weight to fight.They just fight at the weight of the division that they are in at the time.If they cant make the weight anymore,they move up,it’s pretty simple.In Pac’s case its move down.
And NO!These fighters are PRO’S,they prize fight for a living,it’s not about who’s scared of who.Pac is not scared of Cotto and vise versa,so stop with all this nonsense about they are scared of eachother.Unfortunately it is a business and these fighters are tryn to get the most out of there fights or sacrifice’s that they make to be a prize fighter.I just wish we fans didn’t have to be apart of the negotiation of it all.Sometimes it makes me think that some fighters are fighting for all the wrong reasons.
In most cases i would say ok,but in this case with Pac n Cotto i have to lean toward Cotto.It’s Cotto’s belt that Pac want’s not the other way around so i say they have to fight if it’s going to be for the belt,at welter weight 147lbs.Cotto is the one holding the belt so he has the right to either agree or not.It’s Cotto’s choice realy.
how about this… dnt read the article but please read the comment!
ifs funny!!
the “DUO” is on loose!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2850-LA-Boxing-Examiner~y2009m8d4-8-ounce-gloves-are-Pacquiaos-weapon-of-choice
is it burning.. cause its getting hot in here!!!
Liam .. Manuel… is that you?
Tag team action…you and Nepster against Manuela and Liam in the battle of words. Only difference is that I can read Nepster’s and your articles all the way through because they make sense. Good job.
Ah Clarity
I can see thru the smoke
Good article! With regards to such criticism (as has been directed at Manny), I often find that a PERSON can be intelligent and objective, however, PEOPLE tend to be easily swept up in a wave of reactionary responses. It’s like a natural response for some people to detract from somebody’s achievements. Winning titles in so many weight categories is no mean feat and, at the end of the day when Manny hangs up his gloves, the same people that have lambasted him will be among the first to sing his praises!
my guess is ..Liam Santiago and Manuel Perez is here using different name!!
do you feel it too?
^_^
eniweiz..
KUDOS to the writer.
Well done! Well thought of article- very objective. Keep it up
BIGTONE – I agree completely.
Manny just cannot fight a WW without concessions. FACT.
You bring this up and your attacked and verbally abused by some Pac fans! I have never said I dislike the guy, I think he deserves his P4P status. But unless he is willing to fight and challenge at WW like any other fighter……which obviously he isn’t! Then he should forget WW and look to take fights at LWW.
There’s no shame in not being able to move easily through 7 weights! But the guy is not bigger than the sport of boxing and he should not be allowed to force Cotto into defending the title with concessions in place. This if it does happen is disgraceful and boxing fans should be entitled to let their opinions be heard.
And I will continue to say that Manny cannot cut it at WW without concessions in place until proved otherwise!
Wake me up please!!!
This is the only article in this site i didnt feel the “HATE” coming from the writer!!!
is this for real?
OMG
I think Cotto and Roach try to milk this size issue
It’s a way to steal headlines from Mayweather
I think Cotto and Roach try to milk this size issue
It would seem to me from the above posts that we are not talking about a 138lb or 142lb fighter but a nearly 150lb fighter at fight night. If Cotto comes in as some expect 154lb that really is not that big a disparity.
Tale of the Tape:
Pac Cotto
Stance: Southpaw Stance: Orthodox
140 lbs. WEIGHT 147 lbs.* WEIGHT
5’ 6 1/2” HEIGHT 5’ 8” HEIGHT
67” REACH 69” REACH
38″ CHEST NORMAL 39” CHEST NORMAL
40 1/2″ CHEST EXPANDED 41” CHEST EXPANDED
13″ BICEPS 13” BICEPS
12″ FOREARM 11½ ” FOREARM
28″ WAIST 32” WAIST
20″ THIGH 22½” THIGH
15″ CALF 12“ CALF
16″ NECK 16” NECK
8″ WRIST 7½ ” WRIST
10” FIST 11” FIST
I am amazed how high he has achieved and he can still managed his feet to stay in the ground. And i am sure that everyone who experience watching him in PPV or live will agree with me that the pacman makes our heartbeat faster and at the same time catching our breath while seated…
I’ve read so much on this weight thing and now the title being on the line being another issue.
First the catchweight is’nt such a big thing to me because its really only one pound Cotto has to shed off and from his previous weighings it is’nt going to be a problem. True though that @ fight night he will easily weigh 154lbs min. The fight is for Pac to prove he’s the real deal against a strong skilled fighter in his prime in Cotto @Welterweight. ??? To me he’s P4P @ 140lbs down
As far as the title BS cause thats what it is BS. The title which was obviously not discussed in the initial negotiations is a issue. This changes everything, I’ve read many comments saying Pacs a gentlmen, he’s small, 106lbs etc,etc and this and that! The rules are absolute when it comes to any fighter and any weight division and for the WW title 141-147 they’ve been that way forever. THIS IS WHERE THE CONFUSION IS….. If he(COTTO) decided to fight a non-title bout @145lbs thats what he agreed too but if its for the title and IF the CHAMPION desires to weigh in at the WW limit that’s his perogative because again HE is the CHAMPION! The weight in which he decides to choose to weigh in @ should not be DICTATED to him by the CHALLENGER or P4P(mythical title/label) when its within the limit. If he’s too big or gets to big well then tuff, hes the Champ hes had no problem competeing/defending against other welterweights. If it’s too DANGEROUS then Pac should’nt campaign at WW thats his problem. His P4P status can give him the upper hand in negotiations concerning money, ring size and even glove size but to flagrantly and blatently bend the the rules of the WW division & boxing and DICTATE what weight the Champion can come in @ within the WW limit is plain WRONG! So because he is the hype fighter at the moment he can do whatever ‘nah fellas’ I’m sorry! the Art Of Boxing comes before any fighter even my personal favorite s wong is wrong! Boundaries are in place for the integrety of the CHAMPIOSHIPS and the sport. Even if Pac is to win it means nothing because of all the BS! There is no integrety behind the win because he stronged armed a Champion in every which way………….
All this hating doesn’t really matter. Pacquiao is already a Hall of Famer, weather they like it or not. first ever lineal champion in 4 division, and soon to be 7belt holder. take that critics!
i hope someone finally make it as 7div champion.
145/147. doesnt matter, i’ll get over it.
Mr. Guello,
Thanks, very well said.
I think the reason why this ‘so called critics’ are saying all these inconstructive criticisms against Pacquiao is because they just cannot accept the fact that pacquaio was once poor and has become what he is now. Do you think if he was born with a silver spoon and still become what he is today would they still say the same?
What they don’t see is that despite Pacquaio’s present status he has remained humble nad that is most important, boxer or no boxer.
May you continue to have more wisdom in your writing
TDC – Last post was mine forgot to put my initials on it!
Why dont boxers just fight in their weight class regardless if someone weighs 3 pound heavier than the other. It just stupid.
This never used to happen so why has it become such a big issue. Pacaman should fight people and stop demanding weight drops. Only then will people fully respect him for his achievments instead of giving negative reasons for his wins
TDC – Forgot to add your pretty pathetic when you start to abuse people for having an opinion. After all this is what this site is for! I’m a 31 year old man, I don’t play with lego! So quit the abuse I have not lowered myself to abusing you!
TDC – iN YOU WON WORDS “thats what catchweights are for… they give a chance for 2 good boxers to fight at an agreed weight”
Absolutely agree with you! Catch weights are for that purpose IMO as a boxing fan NOT for Title fights!
“then cotto should fight in middleweight..(since hes 156-160)” INCORRECT! he weighs in at 146-147lbs it’s his athletic abilities and his body that allows him to gain a massive amount of weight for the night of the fight not his problem.
Are you seriously saying no other fighter piles on weight after a weigh in???, if so you need to get real my friend!
“AND ONCE AGAIN>…. they did not force COTTO to fight @ 145….
AND ONCE AGAIN>…. the catchweight issue was a PRIVATE AGREEMENT beyond WBO’s….” TRUE I AGREE because Manny tried to get him down to 143lbs!! Cotto agreed to fight a CATCH WEIGHT fighjt at 145lbs, but NOT for his title!
All Cotto has said is if Manny wants a shot at a 7th Title he is going to have to go about it like any other challenger and that he should be allowed to prepare for the fight like he always does! NO CONCESSIONS, I think that’s fair enough! DON’T YOU?
Sometimes i get the feeling that most of Pacquiao’s fans are pre- pubescent, spotty faced school kids who listen to boy bands like nsync or the back door boys or whatever they are called. Your arguments are feeble. Its as simple as this, if you cant make the weight fight at a lower division. Pacquiao is a great boxer, its a shame his supporters are so childish in their statements. Cotto agreed to the terms that Pacqiao asked for and now he has been rail roaded into putting his title on the line. I hope Cotto knocks his ass out now.
I couldnt have put it better myself RMC.
I agree with some of this article but Pac fans are still skirting round the issue of should he be competing at this weight? It’s obvious that Manny for all his talent and P4P status cannot compete at WW without concessions.
Comments from some fans such as “if there are critics, it should be against Cotto for being a bully forcing the little man to fight him at his weight” ?????????
and
“the truth is, everybody knows it that Cotto will not defend his title at 147. He will be in the ring come fight night at 150+/160. And this is the main reason why they want cotto at 145, so as not to be to much disadvantage for Pacquiao come fight night.???????
and
“Have the weigh in on the night of the fight so Cotto has no advantage going into the ring”???????
Do Pacs cause no justice!
The above comments from Pac fans just go to prove he needs assistance to fight at WW. Don’t get me wrong there is no shame in that considering he started at 106lbs.
But surely this means one thing, he simply should not be trying to fight above his means! Lets not forget it’s Manny who wants/is going for a 7th World Title and as a gentleman has already said he has chose to go up in weight, he has chose to go for Cotto’s Title so Manny is the challenger! If he cannot compete like any other challenger then maybe he should not be competing at WW at all?
PEREZ??? SANTIAGO???………. Don’t want to be racist here but do these surnames tell you of soemthing…They are South American surnames. SInce most Pacman’s victims are from Mexico or South American origin (Marquez,Delahoya,Diaz,Larios,Moralez,Barrera)…these writers feel like losers and write baseless and ‘hatred’ articles….
John Doe, you are kinda missing the point. An agreement was made between both fighters. The agreement was to fight at 145 without the belt being on the line. For me there is nothing wrong with this. But if Manny wants the title then the champion of that weight should be able to fight at whatever weight he feels appropriate between 141 and 147. Now Pacman supporters will say Cotto will only weigh 1 pound less than his last fight and its only 2 pound lighter than the actual limit and that it doesnt really make that much of a difference. But the fact is, it does make a difference and if it didnt then Pacquio would just let him have the 2 pounds. Im a boxing fan, i just wanna see great fights, but i feel that if a boxer is going up a weight then thats his challenge and it shouldnt effect the weight that his apponent wants to fight at. I dont know how anyone can not agree with this.
@ricky Manny P4P the worst cherry-picker of all-time? LOL! When did you see a small dude cherrypicked a big dude in his prime? LOL! MORON!
There are 2 pacman haters who do write up daily dragging Manny Pacquiao. MP like the initial of Manny.. Manuel Perez and the other one is Liam Santiago.
the best article i read, compare to editorial kind of..
Very Well said….
liam santiago and manuela perez are one, i think these two writers share the same bed. they share even the mighty pen. i think also they share the same computers. they were writing non sense article about pacman. saying if pacquiao defeats cotto it is because cotto is weight drained, like oscar. well i think if cotto wants to fight for his title defend it with dignity becaus as all know pacman is not on the advantage here, he will go up by 7 lbs while cotto will only drop by a pound base on his last fight with clottey.
good article. Manuel Perez is GGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
I think Arum is very happy of Santiago and Perez for writing about Pacman and it becomes a free advertisement,it’s getting hotter.so less expenses for Arum.About the weight 147 or 145,there is no point dicussing that Cotto is at the disadvantage,come fight night Cotto is the bigger guy,these guys are making excuses for Cotto.The way Cotto is talking,it is reminescent of Hatton and de la Hoya,no confidense in himself,so he will be knocked out by Pacman and the unbelievers will be surprised and will fabricate tons of excuses,peace.
Finally the hating stops! Thank you for putting into an article what I could only think about. I was tired of the haters getting rich off of smearing Pacquiao’s achievements. Again, thank you, thank you, thank you!
This is the best article I read so far about Cotto and Pacquiao’s fight. I agree most of the writers are bias against Manny. Maybe because he’s not Hispanic, white nor black.
Good article… Mr Guello, you speak the truth! Yall need to give credit where credit is due!
Good explanation AstRo. You took teh words right from my mouth. Although I would like Manny to fight at 147lbs limit but I somehow agrre that is too much to a smaller guy to carry around during the fight. Manny has an advantage carrying more weights because of his larger legs compared to other boxers. But again 147 may be too much considering that Freddie announced before that 140lbs is the ideal(limit)weight for Manny.
PAC is lame if you can’t fight boxers in non catch weight fights then stop moving up. Roach is really annoying
You can never get rid of hate in this world for people see and believe things differently. No matter what Manny accomplish in his career there will always be critics to bash him. I called this people bottom feeders for they’ll eat/do anything that’ll make them happy and satisfied no matter how foul and wrong it is.
Ray S. careful on saying things things about a country.. impoverished or not we are still soveriegn and the writer is right, the pachaters really are dumb asses… period.
Cotto need not take this fight if he’s not up to it. So why the fuss? After all, the weigh-in on the same day as the fight is the fairest posible deal , but is Manny asking for it? Cotto has a good deal fighting Manny, just ask Mosley.
if pacquiao is an american i’d bet there’ll be no haters. but since he is from an impoverished country who is so grounded, a man of faith and gives some of his money away by donating ambulances and firetracks, that is why the american scribes hates him.
maerican scribes love floyd mayweather because PBF talks trash, uses the F word and the S word a lot. Goes to strip clubs, owns a rolls royce and a mansion, and hides behind the “race card”, thats what american scribes love. look at their kids, and how their kids act.
It’s nice to finally have someone write an “F-you” to the two “scribes” on here who have nothing to do but hate on Pac. You made a good point by stating that Pac was already the P4P even before fighting ODLH and Hatton. Those two other “writers” (in quotes because they’re not REALLY writers) must be fuming right now and sending an email to the editors…it’s sad really that they let who ever write articles on here…I see this site now as more of a very mediocre opinion site as most of the writers arguments can’t even hold water. I won’t mention names, but one starts with an L and rhymes with Iam Santiago, and the other obviously, starts with an M and ends with Enuala Perez. Anyway, a lot of this site has gone majorly downhill as these two writers completely lambast the credibilty of the site. Go elsewhere for actual boxing news and intelligent opinions, come here for laughable articles.
George Guello, you are the wiser among the three, taking the opposite approach. nonetheless another pac article. but you are very suble and original. criticizing the critics, hats off to you man. very impressive! you made perez and santiago look amateurs. hahahahah
Liam Santiagio is another Pacman hater. This writer will not stop hating Pacman. He won’t give credit to where credit is due.
The funny thing about this writer is that when you comment is against his, it will not be posted and he’ll ban you (blacklist).
LOL, another comedian writer.
Well said, AstRo
Let me first state that I think the Pacman can cement his legacy better if they fight at 147.
Having said that, the 145 is just a *private agreement* between two fighters. They are not changing the welterweight limit. The limit is still 147 BUT both fighters agree not to go beyond 145. That is the meaning of catchweight.
This has been done before. Dela Hoya vs. Hopkins was held at a catchweight of 158 but they were fighting for the 160 lb belt. They were fighting under the 160 limit hence it is within the range, but they privately agreed to both come at 158. The rules allow that. Why? Because the agreed on weight is within the range. Why the double standard then?
It is not even to give advantage to Pacman, it is to even things out! 145 is an advantage to Cotto because his last official weight was 146 while Pacquiao’s is 138. People ask how many advantages does Pacquiao want. It’s the other way around. how many advantages does Cotto want? He is already the bigger and taller fighter, and he goes to the ring at 160.
And Pacquiao was not even forcing Cotto to fight at 145. It was Cotto who proposed 145, because he wanted an advantage over the smaller fighter.
To tell you frankly, Pacquiao has to exert more effort moving from 138 to 145 than Cotto has to moving from 146 to 145.
If there are critics, it should be against Cotto for being a bully forcing the little man to fight him at his weight. He doesn’t have to. Under the rules, any agreed upon weight between 141 and 147 is a welterweight fight. Anybody who understands boxing knows that.
I am pulling for Cotto but I don’t know if he can handle pacman work rate after 4 or 5 rounds. Remember speed kills.
Cotto will KO Pacquiao this guy is a fool. Click my name and you will see what am telling you.
What I don’t understand is, the Mayweather-Marquez fight is next month, and no one seems to be writing about it! Where are the Mayweather Haters and Cheerleaders? Where are the JMM fans?
Go create some buzz for the fight! Mr. Perez? Mr. Santiago? Where’s the hype for the Mayweather-Marquez match?
The Pacquiao-Cotto fight is still three months away! Lots of time to lambaste the Pacmaster.
Pause the Anti-Pacman propaganda for now until after the Mayweather-Marquez bout. Please. Do you jobs. Properly.
I, for one, will not watch Mayweather-Marquez on PPV. I’ll just wait for it in YouTube or the replay a week after the fight. My PPV money I’m not going to waste on that. But Good Luck to JMM! Beat the crap outta PBF! Go JMM!
Mr. Rich, be very sensible. There was a negotiation that transpired and common sense dictates that if one fighter agrees to fight another in a catch weight well within the welterweight range, the belt should be on the line. What you want is a lopsided fight which will disadvantage one fighter. Man, that will not only disadvantage the other but will actually kill him. Going up to a certain weight is a challenge in itself. going down 1 pound is not really a challenge. Come on, use your common sense if you ever have one!
You are absolutely correct about those 2 writers. They write ridiculous articles to get Pacman fans all riled up and get more hits on their articles. Unfortunately these fans take the bait no matter how stupid these writers are. This is a good sign Pacman is on top and they’re doing all out effort to pull him down. I believe one of these writer’s hatred has a lot to do with the fact that Pacman beat just about every good Mexican boxer he faced and this writer took it personally. It’s pretty obvious on a few of his articles I’ve read. As far as I can tell Pacman seem to be a very low key, humble and compassionate person in his country. Floyd who’s only claim to fame is “his claim to fame according to Floyd” get a free pass from these 2 comic writers even though there’s a lot to be said.
You miss the point of the criticism. 147 is the welterweight limit so, yeah, technically anything from 141-147 could be considered a welterweight fight. So Manny can weigh what ever he wants. The problem arives when you tell your opponent, a welterweight champion, what he needs to weigh. That he needs to come in 2 lbs. under the limit of his weight class. You talk about one or two pounds as being insignificant. This lets me know you aren’t a fighter and are speaking without personal knowledge of what its like for a fighter to cut weight. The bottom line, and I’m not hating on Manny, I have lots of respect for him, is that He wants to win a title without assuming all the risks involved. He wants to make the fight a little more winnable for himself. Fans might respect that, but fighters don’t.
i cant say anything .. MR. George Guello , even if you are a hater or not but you are of no equal .. no biased and very well said …
I hope MP and LS will realize what you have pointed out. If they are aiming for clicks .. no problem however A writer should be a writer.
i have never heard or read such article until now … very very plain and sensible…
good luck and may you always achieve more in the future …
Mr Rich,
Pacquiao doesn’t need to fight to be remembered as great. He is already considered great and will be remembered as great to many…he doesn’t need to prove anything anymore. 7th title is just icing on the cake.
stay in the natural weigh division? If Team Pacquiao sees that there will be more profit in it, I guess he’ll stay. But this last fight of Pac is workable and profitable, that is why they are trying to make it work, and make it a win-win situation for both fighters.
YES Finally IN YOUR FACE ALL PACMAN HATERS.
It was nice to read an article on this site that stated a point of view without name-calling and other childish bs.
People keep going on about how Cotto will be weighing much more than 147 come fight night and that thats why Pacquiao agreed with Cotto to fight at 145, to make it a more even playing field. If a fighter really wants an equal playing field then why not stay in your natural weight division? I’ll tell you the reason. Its to prove yourself against the best, to test yourself, to be remembered as a great. If you really wanna test yourself and raise your game then dont limit your opponents weight to whats suits you.
i am in the dreaming , last two week i read article in this site this the only one who fair to pacman
To all Pachaters,
What is the big deal? Cotto will be fighting Pacquiao above 147 come fight night anyways. He will not be fighting Pacman at 145…Pacman might, or may be below 145 at fight night. And Anthony is right by saying that Cotto will be on the advantage.
And don’t say about that weighdrain excuse. 1 pound less than his previous fight…ow come on! Wake up please.
I dont know what the fuse is about, Cotto will weigh over 150 on fight night and will have the advantage over Pacman. The title should be online as the Welterweight limit is between 141-147 and they are fighting at 145. Cotto weighed in at 146 against Clottey so it is only 1 pound less.
I am a Cotto and Pacman fan. The fight should be a action packed classic. I think Pacman will stop him late on though.
I meant I always hear…typo error
I always here from critics/haters that if Pacquiao wants the belt, let him defend his title at 147 lbs. But the truth is, any everybody knows it that Cotto will not defend his title at 147. He will be in the ring come fight night at 150+.
And this is the main reason why they want cotto at 145, so as not to be to much disadvantage for Pacquiao come fight night.
If you insist that Cotto must be the one to make the choice, and that Pac is the challenger, then let the weigh-in be on the night of the fight. But i know, and you know it will not happen.
So, do you think asking Cotto to go down from 146-145 is asking too much? My answer is NO.
Manuel perez and I were wrong about pacquiao. We are so stupid writing all those hate articles about him, sorry guys.
Mr Rich good point
To be a welterweight you have to weigh between 141 and 147 pounds. If the welterweight champion wants to defend his title at 147, 146 or 145 that should be his choice…. not his apponents. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously a Pacquiao fan. When this fight was announced i was just an inpartial fight fan but now i’ll be pulling for Cotto. I fear the politics in boxing will be its downfall.
What’s up with the p4p? Once a boxer get that title the warrior leaves their body. They want to many demands, just fight, nobody wants a L on there record once they are p4p. That isn’t how Ali became the G.O.A.T. if you take what’s mine I’m coming to get it back that is what real p4p suppose to be like.
Can you give Liam Santiago a slap for me!!
Just a small one!!
There is no such thing as being within the weight range at 145. The weight range is 141 – 147, period. If Manny and Freddie want the belt then there is no catch weight. If does not matter what Cotto weighed in his other fights, and no one should care how much weight Manny has to gain since Manny wants the welterweight title and the weight limitations are 147.
U ARE EXACTLY RIGHT! THERES A LOT PAC HATERS OUT THERE- THIS GUY IS FOR REAL!
Manny has proved himself a future hall of famer and is an outstanding boxer. A few people on this site hate him because he beat their favourte boxers. Manny is a credit to the sport and excellent to watch. I just wish he would fight cotto at 147 and not demand the title at 145. However if he beats cotto, i will be extremly impressed. He doesnt have anything to prove anyway i mean a 7 weight world champ, thats amazing! Most boxers only win a world title in 1 division their whole career!