Great Mistakes: The Jones vs. Hopkins Debate
By Brian Kenneth Blackwell: After re-watching the 1993 bout between Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins, as well as analyzing the two in recent matches, I believe it is evident that it would be a huge mistake for Bernard to take this fight. In no way am I downplaying any of Bernard’s accomplishments, or his ability as a fighter, because I know I certainly could not go 10 seconds with the man, as he would probably back me in, and fire the same shot that floored both Antonio Tarver, and Joe Calzaghe, and I would be out for a day or so. But as good as he is, or ever was, he simply does not have the athleticism to compete with a boxer of Roy’s caliber or boxing style.
Throughout the fight, Bernard did what most fighters do against Roy, which is attempt to overwhelm him against the ropes. The fight was almost even up until the final rounds, when Roy discovered that he could begin to unload his shots on Bernard, as the speed difference was becoming apparent to both fighters. In the end, Roy widened the gap, and show-boated his way to victory.
I doubt that I need to give anyone a history lesson on how these two fighters’ careers have progressed after this fight. In a nutshell, Roy went on to briefly dominate the middleweight division, before moving on up in weight to dominate the light-heavyweight division for several years, before taking on the lightly regarded WBA Heavyweight Champion John Ruiz, and defeating him, becoming the first fighter since Bob Fitzsimmons to accomplish such a feat. From that point, Roy suffered 3 very relevant setbacks, while slowly regaining some of his past form.
Bernard took a different route, sticking it out in the middleweight division, probably reluctant to move up to light-heavyweight due to suffering his first defeat in his first professional bout, which was at the light-heavyweight level. He gained fame by beating Felix Trinidad, and Oscar De La Hoya, but suffered back-to-back defeats himself along the way to a young Jermain Taylor, and a close match with Joe Calzaghe. He did however gain extremely impressive victories against Antonio Tarver, and Kelly Pavlik. These days, Bernard, like Jones, is the one against the ropes when he knows he is in trouble. I also witnessed Bernard suffering from fatigue in his fight with Calzaghe, hence why he falsely accused Calzaghe on two occasions of low blows, in an attempt to gain rest periods.
In saying this, I also witnessed Roy suffering from fatigue against Tony Hanshaw, a fight which probably should have gone Tony’s way (although Roy showed mercy in not finishing his man off after knocking him silly in the 11th round when he finally decided to mount an attack).
I see this fight going two ways. Bernard can choose to bombard Roy against the ropes; a tactic that I doubt Bernard has the stamina to maintain at the age of 44. If he can, more power to him. I can also see Bernard choosing to box at the center of the ring, which would prove to be a much larger mistake, as the speed difference is still apparent at this stage of both fighters’ careers. With this tactic, Roy would pot-shot, show-boat, and clown his way to victory in Apollo Creed fashion.
When it is all said and done, it all comes down to one issue. I have listened to countless heated arguments between these two fighters, and the proposed fight is always slammed shut by Bernard, and the reason he gives is because of how the purse would be split. Let’s face it, Bernard knows that Roy is the one man who gave him a convincing defeat.
What I am getting at is the same reasoning as to why Roy simply will not get back in the ring with Glencoffe Johnson; Roy is terrified of Johnson, as is Bernard of Roy. For this one reason, Bernard will not take this fight. It’s not the devastating punching power of Roy that sends shivers through Bernard, it is the spectacle that Roy becomes once be realizes he has a fight in the bag.
Bernard is no idiot, he knows how arrogant and just plain stupid Roy acts once he takes over a fight. Bernard simply does not want that sort of humiliation when his career and legacy are in the bag. I wouldn’t either.
It all goes back to past points I have made about having a legitimate boxing ranking system that forces fighters to take on opponents close to where they are ranked. This, and only this would give boxing more legitimacy in the sporting world, and it is the soul reason why this great sport is being ignored, and other combat leagues, such as the UFC have become more popular.
Fighters should not be able to pick and choose who they fight, nor should the champion of any weight division. Fighters should gain rank by fighting their way to the top, and have to hold their position by beating mandatory challengers.
Even at the end of their careers, fighters should not be able to hand pick opponents because they feel they have some sort of physical advantage on the other, or because they feel it would be a huge payday, or improve their legacy within the sport. How many fighters can you think of that are guilty of this? Shane Mosley, Floyd Mayweather, Oscar De La Hoya, Felix Trinidad, Manny Pacquiao, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr., Winky Wright…
Forget it, I’ll stop while I’m ahead.
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Even though Captain Hook lost against the Green Machine, maybe RJJ and B-Hop will still meet sometime next year. Roy still has some fight remaining in the tank. A mistake would be to retire with a L from Green on his resume. I hope he gets a rematch, which I am sure Green would not have a problem with that. If it was to happen, I think Roy would win a rematch, hands down!
RJJ took a L against the Green Machine but I am sticking with Super Roy if he fights B-Hop.
I think B-Hop knows his career is coming to a end. B-Hop has stated that IF…, IF he beats Roy he may move up to the Heavyweights to take on Haye. Is this guy trying to be like Jones or what??? B-Hop will not win a heavyweight title against anybody… and as Jones said and I quote..”Hopkins has never been impressive against nobody”! So… B-Hop should have listen to his mother in 2008 and retired a year ago because now, another “L” against Jones will definitely put him in the rocking chair, ordering fights on PPV and watching Jones win another Title.
RJJ is back!!! I predict Jones will become IBO cruiserweight champ… making history again, then he will put an end to B-Hop’s career in 2010. Also, I think Captain Hook may move back to the heavyweight division to take on.. Holyfield, or the winner of David Haye and John Ruiz. Remember.. Roy beat Ruiz once so a Jones vs Ruiz II would be a great fight and in my opinion, both fighters would be more than willing to take . Moreover, if (Jones vs Ruiz or Haye)happens… look for Roy to retire… win or lose.
Roy jones would loose terribly man what was this guy thinking!!!
TBone: Your point is well received. My argument is simply one that is ever-growing, and is an attempt to rid the sport of its corruption. Think of it this way, nothing would convince an aging fighter who is falling in the rankings to hang up his gloves more than being forced to face a hungry, young prospect, and taking a beating. At the same time, nothing would give a climber more exposure than beating a name like Roy Jones Jr.
Hey Brian,why do you think it would be a great mistake for B-Hop if he were to take a fight with Roy?Yes it could be a big loss for Hopkins but it also can be a big victory for Hopkins as well.
If the fight is out there for both men to make and the fight doesn’t get made for no apparent reason other than both want the big cut of the money or one of the fighters doesn’t want to take the risk so that fighter goes on and fights some other guy of less caliber,isn’t that cherry picking?But yet you say that it would be a great mistake for B-Hop to take a rematch with Jones.
Do you also think it would be a great mistake if Hopkins took a fight with Williams or the winner of the Dawson vs Johnson fight?
IMO i think it would be a great mistake if Hopkins didn’t take these fights.These are the fights us fans want to see happen.
If fighters all took your advise and stayed away from a challenge then boxing would sees to exist.
Sometimes all a fighter has to do is put on a good fight.As we all know,putting on a good fight can be just as good as winning a fight that you did not look so good winning”cough”.”cough”Diaz vs Malignaggi
when i say i disagree,i’m referring to the part of the article that states that it would be a great mistake for B-Hop to take the Jones fight.
The fighters cherry picking part i totaly agree with…
I totaly disagree with the article.
I think it’s a great match up or re-match that should happen if both fighters stay in boxing and are still fighting.
I think both Roy and Bernard would be foolish not to get this fight made at some point.
A fairwell fight against each other would be a great idea…
Looks like when it comes to RJ and BH there egos get in the way.Either fighter wouldn’t want to take a loss from the other at this point.
Get it done!!!!Fairwell fight “Jones vs Hopkins 2″
Nice well written piece, I think Roy would be too slippery for Hopkins, but it would be interesting to see them at it again I think, esp after all this time.
Benard is dangerous when he is fit. I do not think Roy Jones would be able to beat him
Very Good article. The DNA-like evidence of what is wrong with boxing is the appointed P4P king Manny Pacquiao , aka “Cherry-picking king”. Seventeen years career, 7 divisions, and not a single time, I repeat not once, has he faced another belt holder in any of the seven divisions.
The Modus Operandi has been to select the weakest link in a division then move up as soon as there is a challenge from the other champions.
The real abberation is that no one can say he could beat All the top guys at ANY given division (147, 140, 135, etc…), still he is appointed P4P number one. In other words, one coud be an average players in one’s own team, and be the best player of the league…lol
That is a great article! Especially at the end stating that fighters should not be able to pick and choose who they want to fight. It doesn’t do the sport well. If you’re the best, you should be fighting the best and have those mandatory challengers to defend your title(s). All of the top boxers these days are doing it. Also, I have to agree that I do think RJ has a good chance of beating Bhop. That’s why Bhop wants the 60 percent upfront, even though RJ said, “how about 60 to the winner and 40 to the loser.” Makes sense to me, so they can stop this argument they have had for years. RJ lost to Joe C. because he was not mentally prepared for that style of fight. Nothing against Calzaghe, but that little glimpse of speed in the first round of RJ knocking down should show if he stuck to that, he would have won. Going in he knew Joe would throw loads of punches, so keeping his guards up hoping Joe would tire out was all wrong! He’s back with his hands down, his old style and ready to continue to fight no matter what ya’ll think of him at this age. Shows guts, especially if he does a rematch with Johnson, Hopkins or Tarver next year.
To say Roy ran away with the championship rounds of their 1993 fight leads me to wonder exactly what fight were you watching. EVERYONE, including the commentators ringside, remarked about How Hopkins stepped up the pressure in the championship ronds to take them. It was the early lead Roy built, you know, the one where you say the fight was dead even, that carried him to the “W”.
Bottom line is it was a competitive fight then, and Roy has since deteriorated immensely. Jeff Lacy is NOT the proxy to guage how Roy woud fare against Hopkins. Hopkins is just so much better than Roy at this point. Just a more complete fighter.
Good article and couldnt agree more
Terrific read. I hope the author’s suggestion about fighters not being allowed to cherry-pick their opponents becomes a reality soon. We would have genuine champions then, not manufactured ones.
I see BHop doing to Roy what he did to Calzaghe. It would be BHop who has his back to the ropes, slipping, holding, and juking until he unloads one. The difference in an RJR fight, as opposed to Calzaghe, is that I am not convinced that Jones can take a big punch anymore.
Roy will get crushed. his reflexes are to slow he couldn’t get out of the way of anything Calzaghe threw. A simple step back made him miss punches by a mile. The RoyTards are back in full force though.
Even at this stage of their careers, I think this would be one fight Roy would definitely get up for. Its just something about Hopkins that gets under Roy’s skin! I think the only way Hopkins could win, he would have to stick & move & come in with his head down just as when he fought Pavlik. Even with all that, I don’t think it would be enough to beat Jones. I think It would be a close fight but I think Jones would pull it out again.