Pavlik Dismissive of Super Middleweight Tournament – News

pav43448By Dave Lahr: Sounding more than a little like a fighter with a bad case of sour grapes, WBC/WBO middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik (35-1, 31 KO’s) came off as dismissive of Showtime’s six-man tournament that begins in October, saying in an article by Joe Scalzo of Vindy.com, “They never asked me and I never wanted to join.” Pavlik, who took a humiliating beating by 44-year-old Bernard Hopkins in a 12-round decision loss in October 2008, said “Let them beat each other up. Let them ruin their careers for peanuts.”

Pavlik was referring to super middleweights Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler, Jermain Taylor and Arthur Abraham, who all will be participating in the tournament. However, it’s odd that Pavlik is taking such a negative view towards the tournament, because this is something that will give each of these fighters a lot of attention regardless of how things turn out.

It isn’t as if HBO, who Pavlik fights for, is rushing out to show their fights, so why not fight in the Showtime tournament? I hate to say this, but it reminds me a lot of the old fable of the fox and the grapes. The fox unable to get to the grapes, bitterly remarks that they’re probably sour anyway.

In essence, the fox sees getting to the grapes as being an unattainable goal and responds by saying criticizing their value. This seems to be what Pavlik is doing, because in taking part in the tournament that he wasn’t invited to, Pavlik would have huge obstacles in trying to get by Froch, Dirrell, Ward, Kessler and Abraham.

I really can’t see Pavlik beating any of them the Jermain Taylor, who he’s already beaten twice. Froch is like a bigger, stronger version of Pavlik, and he isn’t expected to beat the likes of Kessler, Ward and Dirrell.

“They’re going to burn their whole career and for what? Nobody watches Showtime,” Pavlik said. I kind of doubt that they’ll be burning their career up by fighting in the tournament, like Pavlik says they will. On the contrary, this will help them because instead of fighting opponents like Marco Antonio Rubio or Gary Lockett, who many boxing fans were turned off in watching Pavlik fight, the tournament fighters will be fighting the best fighters in the division.

I’d like to see Pavlik fight Daniel Jacobs, because right now he’s about the only halfway decent fighter in the entire division which is barren talent. Indeed, the middleweight division is arguably the worst one in all of boxing with the cruiserweight division coming in a close second.

The super middleweight division is where most of the talent is located for some reason. I’d like to see Pavlik put on a few pounds and try his luck with Dirrell, Ward, Kessler, Abraham and Froch. My guess is that Pavlik would take a beating along the lines of his lopsided loss to the 44-year-old Hopkins last year.

I still don’t think Pavlik has won back the fans that he lost by losing that fight yet. It takes good opponents for that to happen and opponents like Rubio and Lockett, while decent fighters, probably won’t get the job done in resurrecting Pavlik’s career. That’s why it seems sad to see how risk aversive that Pavlik is sounding in this article. He kind of reminds me a little of Felix Sturm, the WBA middleweight champion, who continually fights soft opponents and takes the easiest opponent he can get for his non-mandatory defenses, as if he’s trying to mild his title for as long as he can rather than trying to fight the best fighters.

Pavlik went on to say that he thinks that the winner of the tournament will then immediately abandon Showtime and move over to HBO, where he feels that all best fighters fight over there. They have some good fighters, but I wouldn’t say that Showtime doesn’t have equally good fighters. Floyd Mayweather Jr., who fights for HBO, may not be the best fighter in the welterweight division by a long shot, yet he fights for HBO. So what does that say? Manny Pacquiao fights for HBO, yet I seriously doubt he could beat Shane Mosley, Paul Williams or Antonio Margarito without draining them down to 140 or some god awful catch weight devised to weaken them enough to be able to beat them.

Pavlik added that he thinks that he’ll be able to beat the winner of the Showtime tournament. I kind of doubt it. If he can’t beat Hopkins or even fight competitively with him, then he would stand no chance against any of these fighters in my view. Like I said, the only fighter I think Pavlik could beat is Taylor and I’m not so sure about that now.

Taylor came close to beating Pavlik in their rematch in 2008, and Pavlik was softened up since then in his loss to Hopkins. Regardless, I couldn’t see Pavlik being competitive with most of the tournament participants. It is sad to see him rationalize about not wanting to participate in the tournament by discrediting Showtime, the amount of money they’ll make, the risks that will be involved in participating.


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20 Responses to “Pavlik Dismissive of Super Middleweight Tournament – News”

  • BOBBY says:

    Shows how scared pavlik is of losing and how he will avoid williams at all costs.

  • has been says:

    If Pavlik doesn’t fight a top middleweight very soon, I don’t think anyone out side of Youngstown will care what he does or says.

  • mombo says:

    pavlik vs. allan green or pavlik vs. paul williams. those are the fights for kelly at 160. then he can fight the winner of the tournament -which, i’m guessing, will peter out before it finishes up. there’s just too many fighters -too many things to go wrong (injuries, big k.o.’s, etc.) (what if abraham just destroys taylor, which i think he might. taylor won’t stay in. his brain would be pudding.) i think this tournament a gimmick at this point. showtime hype. i hope i’m wrong.
    boxing is a sport to be enjoyed for the moment. it’s NEVER a good idea to be thinking about your next fight. NEVER.

  • Blade says:

    locoroco hahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Doug says:

    Are you guys kidding?!? You want a CHAMPION to get into an 8 man tournament that has a flawed scoring system and forces fighters to fight in ATLEAST 3 matches, all for (POSSIBLY) $4 million?! I’m glad you guys have never managed a boxer in your life, you’d all be saying “Well, I know we could get about $10 mil for our next fight, but I think we should participate in 5 fights to HOPEFULLY win $4 mil.. C’mon champ, it’s not about making money, its about draining your body by the time you’re 32 so idiots like Steve M, SimonH and The Dude can have an sit around and be entertained!”

  • Blade says:

    yeah i agree steve,b hop seems to have messed him up,to not contest your belt against the best is a bit cowardly and its a shame that we have to resort to a points table like champions league to get the fights what the public want,as freddie roach said “i remember when fighters fought.”

  • Steve M says:

    Pavlik would not want it because it would mean fighting top men , he is gun shy since B Hop, who the hell is he fighting , he didnt fancy Abraham which forced him to join the tournament .One real champ is a great idea and we will avoid the problem of paper champs like Pavlik not fighting real contenders

  • dan says:

    pavlik needs to fight p williams or sturm next even if the money is not what he wants because he needs to get back on track

  • Oli says:

    Why doesnt kelly pea balls pavlik close his mouth and be thankful hes not taking part. These top supermiddleweights Froch, kessler, abraham would destroy pavlik. All pavlik does is fight nobodys its about time he did something interesting how about he leaves the sergio moras and the john duddys alone and fights paul williams? williams will destroy this boring one dimensional sour coward.

    As for Showtime/HBO, at least showtime try to do things that people will enjoy, all HBO do is try to make money for themselves and allowing their favourites to hide away from quality fights. IM all for this tournament thanx showtime!

  • tom says:

    he took a beating from bernard hopkins hes got the “LACY EFFECT” he will never amount to much now his attitude say is all.

  • One Hitter Quitter says:

    Give the guy another beer!

  • Ukansodoff says:

    I think Pavlik proves in this interview that he is money 1st and ambition and pride 2nd. Which is the wrong way round.

    I always like Pavlik, he was very basic but very good at what he did, i completely dismissed the Hopkins fight as a one off bad idea and hoped he could carry on with his career.

    But he blew all that by staying clear of the 1 fighter we all thought he should be facing, Artur Abraham. I know he said he wanted to face him but apparently it never made financial sense. SO WHAT.

    Thats when i lost my respect for Pavlik and this certainly doesnt help.

  • sam hatton says:

    pavlik is a good fighter first of all but the fact he has so blaitinatly been dodging abraham for some time now gets under my skin and the fact that he has said he can beat the winner of the tournament is stupid because if he feels this way why not take part in the tournament make some money and prove somthing to every one that your not a bag of crap like the rest of the middlewieghts out there

  • G-man says:

    Id rather watch showtime and see any of those fights that watch Pavliks next dull defence on HBO!

  • the dude says:

    If the guy had balls, he’d be on all fours begging to be part of the tourny

  • mark f says:

    This just shows how different Froch is from fighters like Pavlik, The Cobra wants recognition more than anything, he is already a successful property developer and money is always a second priority when it comes to boxing

  • Joe says:

    I dont understand alot of what Pavlik is saying here. This tournament is the best thing that could happen for someone like Arthur Abraham. Its all about exposure and #4, if Dirrell gets his ass kicked everytime then thats his problem. I hate seeing boxers get protected all the time. The best should fight the best.

  • 1 off the wrist says:

    i think pavlik made some good points, could they not of made these fights without having this pointless exercise. where does wirrel go once he’s lost each fight he has in the tournament will his carreer not be burned out? we will still have to many titles after the tournament only difference will be that their even more meaningless.
    boxing needs to be fundermentally changed, this tournament is only offering a short term fix and i fear will do the sport more harm than good.

  • Ben says:

    To be fair… Pavlik vs Lockett

    Lockett was a world champion, even if he wasnt a very good or exciting one.

    Also Lockett came from the same camp as Joe Calzaghe and i think Pavlik wanted to mock Calzaghe and try to get a fight with Joe.

    I know the american fans slated Joe for not been interested in Pavlik. Funny how things turn out!!!

  • Joe says:

    Finally a good article. I think Pavlik is abit stupid with what hes saying here. He says they are going to wreck their careers for nothing. This tournament is gathering alot of attention already and im sure it will gather alot more before it starts.

    The purpose of it is the best fighting the best and whoever wins. It gives them a HUGE boost. Look at Jermain Taylor for example, He definetly isnt doing this for the money. Hes doing it because he knows how big its going to be and that it could potentially make him a star again.

    I dont know what the americans will do (I live in the UK) but most of the time you are lucky to find a boxing event with 2 big fights. This event is alot more exciting than anything HBO is doing at the moment.

    Arthur Abraham moved up to take part in this tournament because he wants more recognition. Pavlik turned it down because of money or because he knows he would get his ass kicked or both

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