News – Pacquiao Wants to Fight Cotto at 142 or 143
July 9th, 2009
By Manuel Perez: Manny Pacquiao and his team are looking to get Miguel Cotto to melt down to an energy draining 142 or 143, and don’t want to fight Cotto at 145, which had previously been mentioned as the weight that was an agreeable number. It’s unknown why the move is afoot to get Cotto to trim down to the lower weight of 142/143, but it could be that Pacquiao and his team are getting cold feet about the fight.
Although Pacquiao has a win over Oscar De La Hoya at 147, it was fight where Oscar was weakened after having to melt down from 154 to make the fight. The weight loss effectively rendered De La Hoya harmless as a kitten, so weak that probably anyone with two gloves and a moderate amount of talent would have beaten him.
Cotto doesn’t want to have to melt down to this weight, but Shane Mosley, who is considered to be the best fighter in the welterweight division at this point, has no problem with coming down to as low as 142. However, Pacquiao doesn’t want to fight Mosley for some reason.
Cotto looked horrible in his last fight, a 12-round split decision victory over Joshua Clottey on June 13th. Cotto looked almost shot against Clottey, as if he was still feeling the after effects of his 11th round knockout loss to Antonio Margarito a year earlier.
Cotto isn’t the same fighter he was prior to the Margarito fight, and hence shouldn’t even be the one that Pacquiao is gunning for if he is trying to make a statement for himself. If Pacquiao wanted to show people something, he would go after Mosley, Paul Williams or Juan Manuel Marquez.
Ricky Hatton essentially didn’t have to drain down to fight Pacquiao, but he was weakened just the same because of his hard life style and his loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 2007.
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jmm is old enough to retire…….
right now the best thing for him to do is to make reservation in the home for the aged.
Cotto will be his first fight at a catch weight of his career. That fight will be around 144-145 which I do believe is just fair. Pacman is optimized at 140lbs(his a small dud), Cotto is optimized at 147( his a natural welter). Meeting halfway @ 144 sounds fair to me. This what you call handicap in golf. fighting fair to balance things out. This will bring out an even playing field where skill is the determining factor.Same as why we have pound for pound to consider skill of a fighter not the weight. I’m sure it won’t be @143 coz cotto’s nutritionist has said Cotto is can only go down to 144lb without compromising his health. That said @144lbs both fighters will be fighting even, skill will be the determining factor. Their will be no excuses the better man will win this fight. This is a fair fight. both are not optimized to fight at there ideal weight nevertheless there meeting halfway makes it all about skill. Sugar ray had catchweight before why can’t the pacman. It’s just his first. He started at 112lbs guys 144lb is very reasonable if you want to see a good fight between two good fighters a compromise is fair, both aren’t optimized both are evenly matched in my view it all ends up on who has the better skill and heart. Lets get it on!
Marquez CLEARLY loost, I’m sorry but wich fight you saw?
Because the fight that millions of people saw wasn’t that clear.
Juan Manuel Marquez have his shoot and he clearly Loooost, Mosley have a shoot at Cotto to prove that he is the best welter in the world and he lost too. Mosley is to old thats the reason that pacman dont want to fight him. He beat Margo yes but without the plaster hands even his trainer said that Mosley couldnt survive 5 rounds agains Margarito if he have that on. Cotto lasted 11 rounds. The only reason he is the “best welter” is because he is american.
come on cotto 142 is resoanable what are you scared of the pacman?
eddie, you’re a doctor? lol are you licensed? where did you buy… i mean, where did you get your diploma? lol
Cotto is a very good fighter. He is very strong & determined. He is probably my no 3 fighter behind Manny & Mosley. I think this will be a very good fight and have already expressed my opinion that maybe Manny is rising one weight too many.
I know they both have lot of heart but I believe Manny is a better overall fighter. That does not mean he will win the fight. I know Manny is much better than either Klitcko, but they are way too big for him. Cotto is not that large but I am trying to remind people this is why weight class is important to ensure even matchups.
Some people (obviously who know nothing about boxing’s great history), keep saying if he is P4P best then he should beat everybody. That is dumb! Paul Wiliams for example is clamouring to fight at welter but I do not see him doing the sme to fight guys at 175 which he can make.
Back to Manny/Cotto. Manny is a special athlete & we know those guys find a way to win so though I feel Cotto is too big, I won’t count out Manny’s heart and special skills. Oh people, please do not forget, Mosley had Cotto running scared and almost out on his feet in the last rd.
His late assault had Cotto in trouble and he was clutching and grabbing like Hopkins. Cotto turned boxer to save his ass. Mosley set the blueprint on how to beat him and Margarito followed it. Keep the pressure on all night.
Marquez also may have set similar pints on Manny but Manny’s heart allowed him to win and he has now improved those areas anyhow and would easily beat Marquez now. Has Cotto improved too? How will they take each other’s punches? How do they adjust to ech other’s power and speed and who has the better chin? They both have great hearts so what intangible will make the difference? Logic says Cotto but my heart will always say Manny.
Catchweight & weight drained comments by biased anti Manny people are so tiresome! Oscar called him out and set the weight limit because he & the whole world thought he was way too skilled, big and experienced. His last fight vs Forbes was at 150 so he only had to lose 3 lbs.
He got to 147 quickly cuz as he said, he wanted to match Manny’s speed. Is it Manny’s fault that his strategy did not work?What if Manny decided to fight at 143 and got blown away, would these same people not now be saying he was overrated? And would Manny’s apologists not now be saying he went too far in fighting welters?
This is a classic case of the morning after the game syndrome where everybody can expertly give analysis after the fact. And some still do not believe what they have seen, namely that their man lost so they start making excuses. People, we are not the experts here. They have trainers & advisors who go over game plans for weeks during traing. It comes down to the better plan and the fifgter who executes it better.
One mistake and its over. Not like tennis or some sports where there are many chances to get back in after losing one game, e.g hockey, baseball. If we were that great we would not be doing what we are now….that is expressing an opinion that no one cares about. These fighters should know their bodies and know what they are worth. They are very condident but also need decent paydays that is why they take certain fights.
So let’s accept the fact that two exciting guys want to meet. This happens in MMA a lot but fans accept it cuz they want to see the best fight!
Classic? Are you serious?
You want to see a classic fight what about Barrera vs Morales or Marquez vs Vazques
Those are CLASSIC fights with no advantage for anyone. No catch weight, no nothing. Just two REAL MENS fighting, for pride, for honor, for love to the sport. Just fighting the best in their own weights and not draining other fighters.
Those my man, are real CLASSICS.
Sorry, but Cotto dont have to drain his power dropping to 142 or 143. If pacquiao wants to figth cotto, why he doesnt want to come and fight at 147 and have a real figth instead making figthers drain their power to come down weigth.
Manny is a legend and I don’t care what weight the Pacman and Cotto fight at… it will be another Classic..
2 strange man for me to tslk to
did Mosley got beaten with loaded gloves?? i think not, this Mosley lost agains Cotto was for his belt or his undefeated?? i think not, those facts can bring down a boxers mind, so obviously Mosley would look better because he had lost a few times and know what it feels and how can you recover, Cotto is learning that now So BLADE cotto have a clouded mind… he is rebuilding his confidence. Maybe Cotto on his next fight can prove you wrong and give us an amazing performance, maybe he got his confidence back… but after all they are human beings they have feeling!!! what would you do if your wife leave you? it would bring u down. what would u you if one day u got a million dollar and next u got nothing, it will bring u down. Thats what happend to Cotto he HAD all, Belt, undefeated, was ranked the number 1 welter and then loss, now if you can recover from something that takes time and keep fighting and winning thats what makes you a real champ. Cotto its trying to prove it, ppl underestimate cotto’s abilities, he is smarter, stronger, faster than before but a boxer without confidence cant do much. Lets wait on his next few fights and then you can tell if he is really done or not.
a clouded mind?you had to much skunk!last two fights,who’s looked better cotto or mosely,styles make fights and timing wise cotto is the easier fight than mosely,how cotto and mosely got on counts for nothing daft lad
OMG ppl here should stop writing comments… always telling that Mosley and Williams are the best, MOsley got beaten and outboxed by Cotto, williams was outboxed by Carlos Quintana (He avenged that lose with a KO) and Carlos Quintana was KO by Cotto, so dont tell me that Cotto is a “softer” fighter, Cotto had a clouded mind in his last fights because his lost to Margarito (wich is now on doubt) he was getting his confidence back on last fight with Clottey, he didnt look amazing because was fighting with one eye and loosing a lot of blood, if he where another fighter, a one that doesnt care about the public and doesnt want to prove anything, he would get that fight stop on round 5 (and won with UD by that round), but he didt, he wanted to prove himself, he corner Clottey with one EYE, imagine if he got both?? About the drain weight its not about going from 147 to 145 or 142… its about going from his normal weight 160 to 147, 145 or 142… if you do the math you would see that is a drian, if he go to 142 he needs to go nearly 20 pounds. ITS A FREKING DRAIN!!!
i like cotto but he could be one slide,think there is better fights out there,cotto softer option compared to a mosely or williams but its his first one since hatton so we’ll see
cotto should not take the fight that low 142-143. 145 and up or nothing!! and y are u putting cotto down somuch hes a great smart and powerful fighter with some good speed that matched mosleys speed, also wasnt pacman at cottos fight and said book me cotto i want cotto? so cotto dont need him but i think the sport needs this fight it will be a good 1 at weight 145. i still think cotto will take it in the 9th round by k.o
doesn’t have to accept the fight tho does he you fool
Maybe Pacquiao”s team should ask Cotto to come in with one hand tight behiind his back to make it an even match! WTF! when you fight the champion of the division you need to come to his weight class and beat him, this makes no sense,When Roy Jones beat John Ruiz he went up to heavy weight to take the CHAMPION’s belt he didn’t make Ruiz come down to his weight class…Boxing is becoming such of theater!!
realbox we cannot consider that is a draining , i am a doctor that is only a reducing to the fighter who over weight in a certain division,we do it not in little time as quick,we do it in slowly and enough time, with proper nutrients all boxing have you seen they always do that, maybe better both increasing, but mostly 1 will reduce and 1 is not or both fighter reducing weight.. not also all who reduce will defeat, that is an alibi, only how if they win , what they say ” i am a great fighter hahahha…” if lose im drained im too old,, why we cant accept the reality that manny has a power. hahaha
I am not degrading anyone here, i am just giving my opinion, and my opinion is that pac is an overrated fighter, the same way that you would opine he is great and then proceed to lick his balls on sight.
I am definitely unable to explain to people like you that have no fn idea of what draining a boxer and fighting him past his prime is, his fights against marquez were kinda good i have to say, but not amazing, Hatton and Diaz are far from being great, even conscidering De la Hoya as a boxer still is a joke, Mayweather beat his ass over a year ago and it wasn’t such a big deal then, why would it be one now? (and even roach said that he was still bleeding from his iv from being hydrated right before the fight), and please don’t ever mention Marquez as victories ever again, you should be ashamed and walk right by those as if they were never gifted to pac, those fights were a draw and a loss for pac being the judges very generous.
Realbox, you’re a moron. You try to get in the ring with a bigger guy and see what happens. You probably will crap you pants before you even throw a punch. Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Hatton, Diaz, De La Hoya were all champs and for you to say that Manny is scared to fight good fighters is really uncalled for. Four of the fighters that I mentioned are hall famers. You are not only degrading Manny but you are degrading all the greats that he fought.
I’m not getting the the fight If it takes place at 142 or 143, I hope Cotto walks away rather than take it at that weight. Why not just make him get down to 130 so he’ll have to be carried into the ring unconscious and manny can punch him while he’s on the ground?
Manny go for 147 to prove that you can beat them all, i believe to your power punch has very big different compare to them,, so in early time they can also think what other reason to say why they lossed.. to dela hoya drained so much?, the main reason dela hoya cant take and bring the big punch and quick from manny so hes getting slow,.. to hatton not following the command of coach but his weak than pacman in 1punch down hahaha, but in mweather jr. fight is not so easy,,.. they all practice for your information/.. THE KEYS IS A POWER PUNCH ONLY OF PACMAN AND QUICK MOVES..
how, if manny agreed to fight in 147 or 145 to cotto or mosley and then manny opponent knocked them out (Cotto or Mosley) in earlier rounds, what other reason can you say? I think for mosley he is too old and for cotto he is slow than manny ,, hahaha… Small man Pacman and big mosley and Cotto, but this all bigger man afraid to fight to the small man hahahaha.. I know manny maximum weight is only 143 to 144 even wanting to catch 147.. his natural weight is only 130-135 base on his body as small.. all of them has an allowance days or month for practice to prepare a fight,,so no need to worry…
well dude,if you knew owt you’d know cotto’s on the slide and mosely looks a new man,mosely by far more dangerous than a shot cotto.Pac man been stopped before at lower weights,thats why he avoiding a refreshed,hard punching mosely and goin for an easier option in cotto
What’s the point in fighting Mosley when he chooses to fight the man who BEAT Mosley?
ALL OF YOU WHO BELIEVES WITH PEREZ, SUCKS!!!!143LBS IS NOT TO MUCH FOR COTTO TO CATCH WEIGHT ITS JUST 4 LBS LESSER AT 147….REMEMBER PACMAN ONCE AT 130 THEN UP TO 135 THEN 147 THEN DOWN AT 140 DONT YOU THINK PACMAN IS BUSTING IN WEIGHT TOO….HE’S FIGHTING AT WELTHERWEIGHT CLASS AT 5’6 IN HEIGHT….IF FIGHTERS DONT AGREE IN THE CATCH WEIGHT LIMIT THEN DONT SIGN THE CONTRACT…SO SIMPLE RIGHT!!!!
i agree with perez, freddie roach claims he has the best p4p fighter in the world, why not prove it and make manny fight cotto at the 147 limit!
Paul Williams is in middle Weight because nobody in welterweight division, so he is a welterweight who will fight anybody anywhere, question is, who will step up, but this is about Pac, come why do he want to drain these fighters to get a beat and then act like we don’t notice the things they are doing. Wow he needs to man up and fight at weight that doesn’t give him an advantage over drained fighters……….
The idiot is Miguel Angel Cotto for accepting the catch weight. Once again.. the idiot is Cotto for accepting these terms.
Or maybe someone was holding a revolver to Cotto’s head and forced him to sign the contract at that weight?
Expecting Cotto to make that weight of 142-143 is completely absurd for someone who weighs about 160 on fight night. Cotto needs to forget about Pacquio and move on even though fighting pacquiao would represent his biggest payday to date. Oh yeah and how can you say Cotto looked horrible against Clottey when the guy was fighting with 1 eye for 9 rounds. Hey Manuel Perez why don’t you marry your lover Juan Manuel Marquez you loser. I agree with you that Manny seems to need an advantage over his opponents. I hope Cotto tell’s Pacquiao to take a hike and fight someone else.
cotto doesnt have to take the fight! if he dont want to go down in weight and make a ton of money who cares ! let cotto fight someone else hes sucks anyway!
pacquaio ok for oscar at 147 but not ok for cotto at the same weight? pac just wants advantages over another weightdrained fighter….
I really hope Cotto doesn’t take the fight at 142/143, it would be total waste of time and millions of fan’s money to see a dehydrated Cotto tire after three rounds of boxing against Pacman who is probably at his perfect fighting weight at 142/143.
Seriously, Pacman should buckle up and come up to 145/146 and actually take a fight which would actually challenge him.
And yes, he’s been up at 146 before to fight DLH, but look at the state of his opponent then, shocking!!
As a fan, i really hope this fight takes place, but NOT at this catch weight!
I finally agree with u about fighting guys ur own weigth if ur afraid of the welterweights, but please stop this about him fighting paul williams it makes u sound crazy u might as well ask him to get it on with david haye
who you want him to talk about,carl froch?
great article. yep cotto will be weight dead and pac noes it. otherwise cotto wud give the lttle t wat a boxing lesson.