A Pacquiao Win over Cotto Places Him above Mayweather All-Time Pound for Pound
July 14th, 2009
By Giancarlo Malinconico: If you review the careers of Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, you will notice many championships in many different weight classes. Pacquiao started his career at 106 pounds and moved as far up as welterweight, defeating the “Golden Boy” Oscar De La Hoya. Mayweather started at 131 pounds and eventually went as high as 154 pounds, also defeating De La Hoya. Both fighters fought many good and great boxers at almost every division they ascended through respectively throughout their careers.
The reason that the Pacman’s career will surpass Mayweather’s if he is successful against Cotto is– he would have defeated two of the best fighters in their respective weight classes (Hatton at 140 and Cotto at 147 pounds). Cotto, moreover, would be a bigger win than anyone Floyd has on his record. Cotto has a win over the great Shane Mosley apart from beating solid opponents throughout his career. Mayweather’s biggest wins are against Diego Corrales at 130 pounds, Jose Luis Castillo at 135 pounds, Arturo Gatti (the recently deceased blood and guts warrior) at 140 pounds, Ricky Hatton at a 147 pounds and De La Hoya at 154. Pacman has wins over Hall of Famers– Barrera, Morales and JM Marquez between 126 and 130 pounds. And he has a win over the former-140 pound kingpin, Hatton.
Many will say Pacquiao has been beaten before, and has looked less than spectacular in past performances. Therefore, how can you place him ahead of an undefeated, multi-division champion like Mayweather? Here are a few of my responses to the question. First, being undefeated does not equate to greatness (see: Sven Ottke). I understand Mayweather has fought much better opposition than say, an Ottke, but being undefeated cannot be the end of the discussion. Secondly, I believe (like many pundits) that Jose Luis Castillo clearly beat Mayweather in their first encounter. I understand Mayweather hurt his hand, complained of an arm injury and sickness, but he lost the fight. Pacman has a few losses throughout his career, one to Morales, and he looked bad against Nedal Hussein, a journeyman. But he got off the canvas to beat Hussein and avenged his loss to Morales with two knockouts, which was far more impressive than what Mayweather did in the Castillo rematch. Thirdly, Pacman, including the Cotto fight, will have faced the better opposition at the higher weights. As I mentioned Cotto will be the best opponent either man faced, unless you want to count a De La Hoya who I believe was passed his prime in both fights. Besides, Cotto beat Mosley who beat De La Hoya. In addition, Pacman destroyed Hatton and De La Hoya more convincingly than Mayweather, who actually only got a split-decision against De La Hoya and lost rounds against Hatton. The bottom line, although both fighters climbed through the higher weight divisions to win championships, Pacman challenges a top (if not the top) boxer at welterweight in Cotto, while Mayweather fought Carlos Baldomir.
Although Marquez is no pushover, Mayweather is yet to challenge a top, legitimate welterweight. And I am now hearing Mayweather is asking for more than a 50/50 split against Pacman if a match is to emerge between the two next year. It is probably another excuse for Mayweather to duck the dangerous fight with Pacman in favor of facing a lesser fighter, whom he can push around in the negotiations over the purse split and other match arraignments.
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pacman KTFO cotto, nuff said. to those ppl here still whining and crying about manny’s win, and previous wins, STFU. atm hes unstoppable, until someone KO him, so shut up. you can fight manny outside the ring anytime you want, if you really doubt him ROFL
are you blind pacman started at 106 lbs and fights at the welterweight mayweather started at 131lbs and also fight as a welterweight can’t you see the difference bunch of @#%$&@#$
I think Manny Pacquiao will win this fight but not with ease like alot of this writer is saying Cotto is a better fighter than Mosley and Cotto will give the best p4p champion a run for his money, Cotto will be face with his biggest fight ever just like Pacquiao will also be face with his biggerst challege of his career and if Pacquiao gets by him he will be the first Philipino to win 7 championship belt in 6 different division.
If you know that you are in your prime, and can dictate what you want and who you want to fight. do you think you will allow to happen the “Miss Match” on your part?? of course not. lets accept that Pacman want to feel being a dictator right now. because he is in his prime right now and he has the authority to dictate. it just happen that a lot of boxer in higher division is better than JMM, and of course if he is to dictate he want to secure his Match! not a mis-MATCH the same to ODLH when he fought pacman he see the opportunity of defeating pacman but what happenED after the fight? mANY ALIBI.. see????^_^
Abi kay papansin lang ning iban diri. feeling mga bright kung mag comment sang “BAD” kay Pacquiao. Seloso lng gid kamo kay wala kamo na parehas kay pacman ka sikat.. duh boring kaayo mo ui pag pauli nalng mo sainyong balay kag mag dula ug DOTA!!!wahhhhhhhh
ur d man david! u hit the bull’s eye!
From D. Guillermo,
What do Oscar De la Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez and Floyd Mayweather Jr. have in common?
Answer:
They all hate Manny Pacquiao’s guts.
Incidentally, all three of them have lost to Pacquiao. Pacquiao retired and made De la Hoya quit in his stool last year in December. Marquez lost his super featherweight belts to Pacquiao last year in March. And Floyd Mayweather Jr. lost his crown as the mythical Pound-for-Pound and best fighter in boxing to the sport’s newest darling Manny Pacquiao.
Perhaps that’s also why these three can’t stop talking about Pacquiao and keep saying derogatory statements about him like yesterday in Mayweather and Marquez’s conference call.
Whatever you are whosever you are. All these catchweight are just PACMAN’S ALIBI if you bite the bait…We all know how GREAT he is. THE 2 HANDED POWER PUNCH NOW! one punch for the cemetery, the other punch for the hospital.
Don’t mention the SPEED, HEAD MOVEMENT,FOOT WORKS,ETC.Because almost all great boxers from past and present has all these.
Now, if anyone wants a rematch part III with marquez, just tell me anytime…your $10 bet is to $100.If you want to risk your penny to marquez…All of you has a very loud voice.Unless he has the power to knock out the pacman now, or even MAYWEATHER, or anybody else. Even from time to time you dock,run,etc.YOU WILL BE CAUGHT with PACMAN’S POWER!!!!!BEWARE!!!!!!MAYWEATHER WILL GO DOWN!!!!!and i don’t want to risk my money for MAYWEATHER OR WHOSEVER against the PACMAN….
even they don’t say it many writers, people and magazines like pacquiao to lose because is small n he is a Filipino.
1. they call pacquiao a catch weight king?
give me a fight that happened pacquiao’s demanding catch weight? dela hoya? actually dela hoya call out pacquiao to fight him at 147lbs. not the other way around
2. pacquiao should fight cotto at 147lbs. because its the welterweight limit.
HELLOOOO!!!! COTTO VS CLOTTEY HAPPENED AT 146!!! not only is not a welterweight limit its a fight for a championship belt to. no one’s complaining!!! but when pacquiao demand for the first time a catch weight he is criticize hard crucified even degrading pacquiao’s achievements because they want pacman to lose. SPARED THE WORD PACFANS
acceptable analysis eventually pacquiao will outshine mayweather even without fighting each other. but i do hope pacquiao vs mayweather will materialize one day….
did anyone actually read this after looking at the title?
i am back pacman is my name…why?…why?..why..?all of you wasted your time in this website?make some comments that no one will get the correct answer…..its only me i can give you the good answer..why?,where?,when? and who? will be the the best among the elite fighter in the world..not me,nor maywonder or marquits or anyone..put it this way…stop prentending guys that all of you been in the ring and box..all of you dont understand about boxing business..this is trend..boxing is back track when me (pacman) is on the game…but dont disregards that i am totally different to all the fighter i am not good,i am not gifted nor i am not a superman..but i believed there’s god who will guide me or protect me on any weights or catch weight that will bring me to fights, i know my body..i am only a human being.the same with anybody else like batanguenious or vince mahon..if they will stayed in one weight you will not recognized as a best fighter in the world..me also a victim of catch weight..if you beleived you catch that weight then you do it..if not then to fight.same with me..i beleived that i can beat them.so..i do it…anyone can do that…i can do…who else can do?god bless you all..peace..lets support everyone in the ring not only me…ok?good luck see you in my next fights..
catch weight doesn’t matter ….a good fighter can fight any weight if he think his a best fighter……so enought destroying each other by mean of words lets the boxing begin…..
The dream match I’m waiting is Dionisia Pacquiao VS the mother of Mayweather.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Bullshit Title of an Article.
Where does Pity Boy achievements rank side by side with Pacquaio’s achievements, recognitions given, title belts earned, honors earned, caliber of fighters faced, and level of excitement in the ring to offer. Pacquiao has way many more fights than Pity Boy, yet he is younger by 2 years old. Pity Boy is yet taking baby steps while Pacquiao is already running.
All you PACMAN haters don’t know what you’re talking about. Stop drinking the Gayweatherade and stop making a fool of yourselves. PACMAN has yet to fight a catchweight as has already been mentioned by those who really know what they are talking about. All you PACMAN HATERS are LOSERS!!!!! PACMAN will mop the ring floor with Gayweather’s face when they fight.
BEFORE THE DELAHOYA FIGHT, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ON THESE SITES SAYING PACQUIAO WOULD KILL DELAHOYA BECAUSE HE WAS WEIGHT DRAINED? LET ME END THE SUSPENSE, NOT A SINGLE ONE! MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF THE PEOPLE WERE SAYING PACQUIAO WAS GONNA LOSE AND LOSE HUGE! I DON’T WANNA HEAR PEOPLE CRYING ABOUT THE DELAHOYA WEIGHT DRAIN ISSUE, NOT UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE, BEFORE THE FIGHT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS AN ISSUE!
I’LL GIVE ANY ONE OF YOU PEOPLE 50 BUCKS TO WATCH A FIGHT. YOU HAVE TO PICK BETWEEN PACQUIAO-COTTO, OR MAYWEATHER-MARQUEZ, WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE GONNA PICK? THE GAME IS PRIZEFIGHTING, YOU GET PAID TO PUT ON A SHOW, WHO PUTS ON THE SHOW, PACQUIAO OR MAYWEATHER? IF ANY PERSON OUT THERE TELLS ME THEY WOULD RATHER WATCH A MAYWEATHER FIGHT AS OPPOSED TO A PACQUIAO FIGHT, IN THE WORDS OF ALI “YOUS A LIAR!”. LOOK AT THE FIGHTS, ANY ONE OF THEM, HERE’S YOUR LIST MAYWEATHER VS. HATTON, BALDOMIR, GATTI, DELAHOYA, OR PACQUIAO VS. DELAHOYA, HATTON, MARQUEZ, DIAZ OR BERRERA. TAKE YOUR PICK WHO ARE YOU PAYING TO SEE, PAYING TOO SEE? CASE CLOSED, THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT.
If anybody asks you who Manny Pacquiao is, stand up tall, look them in the face and say “He’s the worlds greatest”.
hey batang what is this???
A drained Oscar???? Oscar dictates the terms of his fight without question. He had a nutritionist, and a top trainer working with him. Even if Oscar weighed 154 that night, without a doubt, Manny would have demolished him. Manny was “on” that night.
Batangueno? I thought BUTANGERO. He, he, he.
I have some Batangueno friends–matitino naman. JOKE!
crazy,
my apologies! just reacting to a previous post.
You, too, is a Fraud! You pretend to be crazy, but you seem to be knowledgable in boxing history.
Pa-burger ka naman! LOL.
He’s already got a much better resume than Mayweather Jr. Head and shoulders above it.
Pac has Morales, Barrera, DLH and Marquez on his record. ALL LOCKED HALL OF FAMERS.
Mayweather only has DLH who Mayweather had a hard fight against and got taken to a split decision.
buti lang pacman fan ako.if not gusto ko narin na mag box siya sa heavyweight,to finished it all.and stop all the debate bout stupid p4p.tang-ina kainis magbasa!!!!pero mganda at list buhay ang boxing.shittt
Manny is my favorite boxer! but, hes a flat out idiot if he thinks he can go toe to toe with Cotto! Cotto will flat out knock him out! The fight is just for money and it should never take place!
eto si batangueno hindi to nabigyan ng ticket ni manny kaya to galit…pero sa totoo lang eto yata yong swindler eh….ha..ha..ha..
mayweather maybe the best but pacman is the BEAST!!!
manny,
fight mayweather 1st before cotto or mosley,they are not evenly match for you they are such a Losser who’s dreaning to knck u out…you have to kill dem all fot they mouth 2 shot up…all pilipinos are praying for you!!!GO MANNY…f@#K DEM ALL..
how does pacman become drain your pounds king? everyone seems to forgot that this is the first time he’s going to fight on a catch weight. also, he didn’t ask for a title fight. WBC wants to make it a title fight bcz it will have a big commission for pay-per-view hits.
he does not care about the belt. he will fight anyone at 143 bcz that’s his limit. if you don’t want to go down, then stop challenging him.
if they say pac is scared at 145.. yo got it all the other way around. cotto is scared at 143.
I guess there are some people who still don’t understand the weight requirements for a welterweight. It is true that welterweight ranges from 140-147. But, the association has split up the welterweight division into two parts, light welterweight and welterweight. Light welterweight contenders must weigh in no more than the 140 pound limit. Welterweight contenders must weigh in no more than the 147 limit. In a title fight, if a boxer weighs in between 140 and 147, that boxer must compete in the the welterweight division. If he tries to fight for a light welterweight belt, he has surpassed the limit. If a boxer comes in weighing less than 140 pounds, he can either fight for the light-welterweight belt or the welterweight belt. A boxer can always weigh in below the limit but never above the limit. It’s that plain and simple. Welterweight has 2 limits, 140 and 147. If the limit falls between these two weights, then it can’t be a title fight but it is still a welterweight fight.
So, if Manny and Cotto fight anywhere between 140 and 147, then they are still fighting at welterweight but not for a title. If they fight at the 147 limit, then it can be a title fight. Why is it that some people can’t comprehend this idea? Can someone tell me what’s so difficult to understand about this?
Think of it this way, whether you’re in North America or South America, you’re still in America, not necessarily the United States as some believe is what makes up America. So, whether you’re in Mexico, Canada, Brazil, etc, you’re still in America. 140-147 is still welterweight. Manny will be fighting as a welterweight because the limit is 143. Cotto will be fighting as a welterweight as well. It doesn’t matter if they both weigh in less than the limit. Just the fact that the limit is 143 makes it a welterweight fight, just not a welterweight title fight.
How can a boxer(marquez) win? when he got knockdowns thrice in the 1st fight and once knockdown in the 2nd fight? Wheres your logic dumb ass..
Batangueño is crybaby himself.
Go and kiss JMM balls the way he kissed the canvass 4x.
ala eh, parang tanga naman si batangueno eh. aba’y ikaw ba ay nakakain ng di mabuti? napaka epal mo.
isa pang epal eh etong si golden boy.
guess weight daw eh.
kalokohan.
kung di makapagpababa ng timbang si mayweather eh ayos parin yung 147.
ala’y sino niloko nila.
sana wag tayo bumili ng tiket para mababa kita para mapahiya si mayweather.
pacman ducking mosley..
but hasnt mayweather been ducking mosley for years now…
who’s the pussy now?
Great articles!!!!!!!!!!!
All i can say is that Manny prove alot to everybody…..
i,m enjoying all the comments being made, some make sense and some dont make any sense…and for some purely guessing…hahaha….brahma bull, bill
and crazy…are pure boxing fan who understand the sports very well…
This new “Drain-Your-Pounds” King monicker is a spin from Pacman detractors which should not be given notice. As far as I’m concerned it’s another one of those excuses.
Catch weights are acceptable if the fighters themselves accept the set weight limits, after all they should know best their optimum fighting weight (who are we to set it for them?) which does not necessarily mean the required maximum of that division. After accepting the set weight then there shouldn’t be any more excuses especially after the fight lest they risk appearing like sourgrapes e.g. Dela Hoya claiming he’s in the best shape in the run-up to the fight in 24/7 only to retract after the loss to Pacman saying he was drained… Last time I checked drained is spelled D-R-A-I-N-E-D and not Q-U-I-T-T-E-R!
Catchweights are just like handicapping in golf wherein you give/take some strokes based on a perceived skills differential only that in boxing it’s in terms of weight differential in order to even out the match.
As hanson posted above, after a “meeting of the minds” by the pugilists themselves has been achieved especially after arriving at that decision with the help of their trainers, nutritionists, other science & pseudo-science assistance that they could get then it’s all fair game from then on, and the results can no longer be questioned afterwards.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Pacquiao has not dictated catch weights to anyone before this proposed fight with Cotto. Morales and Dela Hoya were bigger stars than Pacman at the time of their fights hence they can’t be forced to accept terms which they might think would be detrimental to them. They fought Pacman at weights which they clearly thought they could be competitive at, if the results proved otherwise then it’s their “miscalculation” that did them in and nothing should be taken away from Pacman’s victory.
If Cotto thinks he cannot fight at 143 or 144 then he shouldn’t accept the fight. Period. If he does accept it then great, if he thinks he cannot make the weight then by all means he should walk away from the fight.
Bottom line, it’s the fighters who ultimately accept the terms and that there should be no more excuses after they sign on the dotted line!
Batangueño….
Your Such A dumd and Trying hard crazy fool…..
Why won’t you Fight yourself Cotto And Gayweather….Or much better make yourface a Punching bag for Cotto’s training…
David has a sense saying this one. A good shot.
to all those moron catchweight critics who base there comment on some experts: Ladies! if both parties agreed wether 143lbs or 145lbs…please dont make it an excuse if manny beat cotto!….because they both agreed.
great analysis!!! however, the fight between GAYWEATHER & THE PACIFIC STORM, MANNY PACQUIAO should take place to resolve the issue.
it’s apparent that gayweatHer is using the sharing issue to duck pacman. what do you expect from a gay? NOTHING BUT BIG MOUTH with FRACTURED RIB ALIBI!!!
pacman has a BIG HEART and willing to face anybody.
THE FIGHT THAT THE BOXING FANS WANT WILL NOT MATERIALIZE. it will remain a dream!
so gayweather keep on dreaming that you are still the P4P king.
pacman you continue to live in a world of reality by not entering politics arena….you can serve and help the filipinos particularly SARANGGANI CONSTITUENTS without being a politician. just do your best to bring your proposed ecozone project into reality. with that you can help millions of filipinos.
MABUHAY ANG LAHING FILIPINO!!! YOU REALLY MAKE EVERY FILIPINO PROUD.
monkey gayweather idolize manny eversince…he buys all pac superfight,..he admited before manny is already behind during his reign, when he realized he is coming too fast,he even gave way..not even attempt to stop him because he really love this small guy..now he’s back let him have his own dream match..and say to the king while lying flat on the canvass “your still my idol pac..whatever happens…!Zzzzzzzzzz
the truth
Come on man, Pacquiao is not running from marquez..it was marquez who run from pacman, remember the ist fight?w/c happens to be a draw..pacquiao is asking for a rematch on air after the fight but marquez team slam it..the 2nd fight happened because of pacquiao and not because of marquez. who told you that majority of people believe that marquez won both fight? you are hearing and reading things up from others. It was history man so stop crying!
i’ll just watch gayweather vs. marquez fight in the replay, and save my money for Pacman vs. cotto fight,i think that is wise!…
those who believe that pacquiao won his last 2 fights cause his opponents were drained are not boxing fans, you guys know nothing so shut-up the f…-up. before the ODLH fight, did any of you said ODLH was dained? instead you said, mismatch!!! when he fought hatton, did any of you said hatton was drained or past his prime? instead you said, manny will loss cause hatton is the bigger guy and a legit welter…why dont you just accept it that manny is just one in a lifetime fighter! he never gave us boring fights, win or loss..please watch his old fights starting his first fight in BLOW BY BLOW…he always gave us our moneys worth thats why he is the ALL TIME GREAT!! got it?!
batangeno & vince: suntokan na lang sabay na kayong dalawa ginagago mo kababayan kung si pareng manny. kahit anong weigh gusto nyo ANO?
To Brahma Bull – you are one sharp thinking creature.
Kay Batangueno – kapatid, mukhang kailangan sa sa ‘yo tarakan ng ng balisong sa leeg. Yung vente-nueve!
WRONG…
pacquiao is already way ahead in mayweather in the all-time pound for pound…
mayweather ducked challenges and fought easy fights while pacquiao took the harder fights and has BEATEN them…
mayweather is a 5 division champion and pacuiao is a 6 division champ and maybe 7 in the future…
Mayweather sucks, he fights with his mouth while pacquiao fights with his heart…
guys mayweather is no longer using pretty boy floyd, he is now smart to realized its far frm the truth thats why he changed to mon(k)ey mayweather… ooooppssssss…
batangueno is empty-head mouth full(shit)
batangueno & vince, if you’re a filipino by blood then i would say dat you’re traitors by nature. just like pinoy selling pinoy to the japs during the WW11. mga gago!
What a stupid thinker’s they are a catch weight at 143 lbs is still a welterweight division, 141 to 147 is a welterweight division, what’s wrong with that weight issue? 140lbs is different division it’s light-welterweight division,those who have not been think that the 143lbs is not welterweight is a MORON, NO Brain, NO Knowledge on Math on weight issue on Boxing Event is F@?king $hittt on Him… i will make him back to school at kinder garden.
Have the damn weigh-in on the same day of the fight and forget about catchweights. Then both fighters will come in at roughly 152-154lbs when they step into the ring. All these 24 hours weigh-in is a mockery to the weight classes. If my memory serves me well only the WBA limits the weight gain to 5% if it’s a 24 hours weigh-in. This is to be fair to both fighters not having too much of weight difference when they fight.Please; we want to keep boxing fair and safe as a sport!
i hop pacman will try to unify welterweight and gaymouthweather will try to unify the lightweight division , gaymouthweather will continue to counter whatever pacman do in less risk opposition to avoid his “0″ then saying that he his better than pacman coz he ddnt beaten in his entire carer
Which do you prefer?
Catch Weights or Guess-weights?
dont compare pacman to gaymouthweather ! pacman is better than gaymouthweather in terms of :
1. QUALITY OPPONENTS
2. HIGH RISK (wght and size)
3. PASSION
WELL, I WILL NOT PAY JUST TO WATCH THAT BOOOOOORING FIGHT OF MARQUEZ VS. GAYWEATHER…I HEARD THAT THEIR FIGHT IS SCRIPTED!!!..WHAT A CRAP!!??..THEY ARE FOOLING PEOPLE FOR THEIR POCKET…SUCKS!!..I’D BETTER WATCH WWE…
batangueño i try mo muna mag boxing bago ka mag comment. tinanggap nila ang laban ibig sabihin kaya nila natalo sila hindi dahil drained sila kundi wala silang binatbat. isa pa kung yan ang reason nila na natalo sila dahil drained sila at wala energy patayin nila conditioning coach nila. ang conditioning coach ang may pakana nun. kita mo sa 24/7 ni dela hoya puyo protein may pa kangaroo meat pa hahahaha. ignorante ang conditioning coach niya. sino ba naman magkaka energy kung wala kang carbohydrate. puro ka protein muscles without energy patay ka.
uy batangueño magparamdam k naman bigla k yta nawala nsan kna? magtanghalian n pla KAININ MO NA UN PUKI NG NANAY MO tapus INUMIN MO NA UN GATAS NG TITI NG TATAY MO at kun my mga kapatid kpa dyan bka gs2 mo mag DESERT para kumpleto recados
The reason catch weight is proposed by the Pacman camp is because of the tendency of boxer going as much as 160 lbs come fight night. This idea of giving them 30 plus hours after the official weigh-in is morally wrong. The weight on the weigh-in becomes meaningless and boxers does goes overboard to get whatever advantages they can come fight night. This makes the weigh-in weight meaningless and bias. In the case of Pacman and Cotto, Pacman being a light welterweigh probably can only go as much as 148 lbs and still be in top condition while Cotto being a true welterweigh will go as much as 160 lbs and be in his top condition. What happens is a great mismatch. The way to settle this great problem is to go back to the old ways wherein the exact weight during weigh-in should be the same weight come fight night and the problem of weight advantages on either fighter is eliminated – Fair and Square. Pacman has to come up to 147 lbs. and Cotto has to maintain his weight at 147 lbs. I hope those people who always tend to comment about Pacmans suble ways to generate some advantages will have the guts to agree with this old and fair concept.
ala eh ang tanga naman tong batangueniong to peke ka yata.. don’t you ever think that manny isn’t a welterweight? he’s a natural featherweight coming from mini flyweight up to jr welterweight.. if manny has the height then i think he can still go up to middleweight without any weight catch up.. malinaw ga? istupido!
Article is good. To all Pachaters, all your comments are BS!
draining pounds is not an issue coz boxing is not just in the ring but in his conditioning. when he accept a challenge to fight and drain pounds that means he can do it. its the conditioning that wnet wrong. so fighters who didnt do it change your conditioning coach its not an excuse you morons!!!!
i’ve
read a lot of article comparing mayweather and pacquiao,yours is more believable than others keep it up,giancarlo
next fight for gaymouthwether
1. pacman @ 147 ???
2. valero @ 143
3. juanma lopez @ 140
4. ivan calderon @ 135
THEN SELFDECLARED HE IS NO.1 ALL TIME GREAT becoz cotto, mosley, margarito and paul williams dnt want a 90/10 purse split favor to him.
Mayweather prove your self fight Felix Sturm at 160 lbs.
“Both fighters fought many good and great boxers at almost every division”
you mean only pacquiao fought many good and great fighters/boxers?????
This Batangueno must have a deep hatred against Manny Paquiao. Maybe this is the one or a relative of the one who was formerly associated with Pacquiao and duped Pacquiao by forging Pacquiao’s signature. Or else this person is connected with that swindler who is a dealer of used cars whom Manny dealt with before.
oy batangueño MASARAP BA ANG PUKI NG NANAY MO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! patikim naman isa lng
This people who thinks that the fight shouldn’t be at catchweight are stupid… Did you guys even know that at fight night both fighters will literally get bigger? Cotto might weight 155 by fight night, and MP might weight the 147 max. Sure we can have no catchweight…If the weighing is at fightnight itself! Let’s see if Cotto can really fight at 147, that will be really fair and no catchweight issues.
I can’t believe people are criticizing Pacman for catch weights. I know Cotto or Mosley might drain themselves by fighting at a catch weight but that’s because fans want to see Pacman fight 2 of the best welterweights. Would you rather have him fight Berto, Holt or Bradley at 140? I know I won’t. It just so happened that better fighters are at welterweight and if you want to see a dream match, you’ve got to level the playing field. If only Mayweather would be man enough to fight Cotto or Mosley, then we can all forget about this catch weight. But the truth is PBF doesn’t want to fight them. And Pacman is the only other option.
batangueno daw sya polpol eh elien pala hindi sya tao at lalo na hindi sya tunay na batangueno..gago..!!!!bobo ingit..labanan mo kaya si gaywehter..parehas kayo nagtatago sa mga kabobohan no>…!
let me state my knowledge about the drain issues..
first of all the fight between ODLH vs Pacquiao was a 1tym deal only and its ODLH who put up that fight.. no body question ODLH when he fought pacman at 147 wherein pacquiao’s was at 135 that time and only got his 1st fight against David Diaz…
remember it was 6/1 favor for ODLH to win that fight… then when pacquiao beats ODLH, pacman critics criticize that the pacman drained ODLH..wtf is that??
ODLH got the best trainer in the world when he face manny pacquiao…
pacquiao is a jr.welterweight right now…when he faces ODLH he weight-in 143lds on the fight and when he faces Hatton he was at 138lbs on the fight…
cotto’s fight recently against clottey he weight-in at 146 at the weight-in and he bulk over 153(im not sure) on the fight night…
definition of catch-weight on boxing is to minimize the fighter putting up weight on fight night..
cotto at 145 will not hurt him bcuz he will only reduce 1 pound fighting pacquiao(cotto weight was at 146 on weight-in against clottey) and he can rehydrate around 150-153 at fight night..
not bad…
if pacquiao ask for 143 wherein its not healthy for cotto to dehydrate and rehydrate again at the fight night..
i guess that wasnt i expect for pacquiao…
pacquiao vs cotto at 145 is the best for bought fighters…
it will remove the significant of the fight if pacquiao fight cotto at 143…
prove me right pacquiao that your the greatest!
fight cotto on an even weight…
bill is so right man,thats the big truth….
For those who consider being undefeated as the right measure of greatness, then Michael Jordan would have not been the Greatest Basketball Player Ever for he endured seven long years of defeat before notching his first championship. You see, he was the greatest ever in his field because after those defeats, he dominated the game like no one else and collected so many championships and individual awards. Same is the case of the Pacman, he may have lost three times early in his career but he continued to improve and dominated the game like no other. His feats are unheard of in recent memory.
STOP THIS NONSINSE. AHS’LL TELL YOU WHO IS THE BEST, FLOYD JR’S A BUM BUT HE’S STILL MY SON. FLOYD COME HOME, AN SNIFF MY EXPIRED CUM. PAC IS QUICK HE MAY BE THE ONE. MARQUEZ IS BITTER, DE LA HOYA A QWITTER. FLOYD, PICK ONLY FIGHTS YOU CAN WIN, AFTER MARQUEZ FIGHT HIS RETARDED TWIN. I BOW DOWN TO MANNY AND HIS GREAT TRAINER, THEY SHUT ME UP NOW I FORCED TO SUCK WEINERS.
welterweight is from 141-147lbs, not exactly 147lbs. so its not bad MP demands 143lbs coz he goes up in weight too fast. if Cotto wants a nice payday then deal w/ the terms of the best p4p today. amen.
PACMAN CAN MAKE TO 147…HE CAN WIN THERE BUT THE SIDE EFFECT IS PARKINSON DESEASE LIKE HUMAMAD ALI..BLOWS ON HEAD..BEACAUSE NATURAL W8 OF PACMAN IS FEATHERW8….
PACMAN CAN MAKE HISTORY SEVEN TITLE…BUT COACHES OF PACMAN WANT 143 BECAUSE THEY PROTECTED THE LIFE OF PACMAN…WHENE HE GETS OLDER ALL THE SIDE EFFECT WILL COME OUT…
LET PACMAN DECIDED WHAT HE WANT… MABUHAY ANG PILIPINO…..
no.43 jaden is right,they agreed the given weight and given time to train for the fight so its their fault..
thru out boxing history great boxers have gone down in weight to fight other great boxers.
Hatton lost 8lb 147lb to 139 to fight Urango WON
Arturo Gatti Lost 5lb 146lb to 141 vs Millett Won
Roberto Duran Lost 10lb 166lb to 156lb vs Barkley Won
Sugar Ray Leonard Lost 4lb 148 to 144 vs Viruet Won
Marvin Hagler lost 7lb 162-155 vs Green Won KO1
Margarito lost 10lb 157-147 vs Martinez Won
Roy Jones Jr lost 18lb 193-175 vs Antonio Tarver Won
Hit Man Hearns Lost 14lb vs Rolando Won KO 4
Why cant Cotto loss a measly 3lbs 146-143 These greats had no problem going down they didnt complain they will be dehydrated or drained. Those excuses is for WEAK & OLD BOXERS !!!!
BEST COMMENT SO FAR!!!!
I think Marquez is a great fighter, but stop obsessing over Pac. He sounds like a bitter ex who just got dumped for a hotter chick. Now he’s trying to get his attention by fighting Mayweather.haha Get a life you maricon!
Mayweather will probably lose to Marquez just to duck Pac. This foo had all the choices in the world-Mosley,Pac,Cotto,Campbell. But he picks someone two weight classes lower. He skips everyone in the Welter and Jr Welterweight classes.
isidro-EDUCATED LUNATIC HEHEHEHE
Vince-uneducated
Batangueno-retarded
Bill-genius
Brahma Bull-Highly educated
Spoon-smart
pacman-just pretending to be pac hehehe he doesnt talk like that hehehehe
noypee-totally lost
maniliamaniac-fanatic fan
The Truth-Has Alzeimers Disease
I can feel the wind of change among the pinoy comments.Is it the start of political campaign?
Only during that period where a stature of Manny as National Fist turned into National Fraud and P4P king into P4P weight drain king in 24 hr notice only as to put it.Pinoy crab mentality is once again rearing up it’s antennae or extended eyes.Catchweight is really pushing itself up and out the top issue by blindly bullying it’s way in.
It is the ugly side of any nation that not everybody are following the standard logic in analyzing any problem ,issue for this matter.It is known as dissenting oppinion, in this case boxing oppinions and comments.My own oppinion free of charge let’s defend the welfare of Manny he is our well known OFW and part of the remittances that helps a lot our Philippine Economy,there that’s politic.
ALL YOU PACHATER ARE FULL OF SHIT!!!! ALL YOU HATER SUCK THE BALL OF FRAUDGAYWHEATHER…..ITS SO CLEAR THE GAY JR IS DUCKING THE PACMAN..THE MONEY SPLIT IS JUST A EXCUSE FOR THE GAY JR…BECOZ HE KNOWS THAT ARUM WILL NOT TAKE THE FIGHT IN FAVOR OF THE GAY JR YEAH HE KNOWS THAT…VINCE I KNOW YOUR GAY JR HOW ABOUT I KNOCK YOU OUT RIGHT NOW IM ALMOST 300 POUNDS AND IM NOT SCARED TO KNOCK YOU BLACK ASS RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
Who are all these fags claiming Catchweight King. Yall must be sourpuss Marquez fans. Once you sign the damn contract, no excuses allowed. If you think you will be weight drained, pick another fight. Mosley has no problem with it. Pac is where the money is at.
We always pretend we are more knowledgeable than the fighter particularly Manny, we tend to forget who we are and what good things we contributed for us to be remembered. We all not the same, you may a doctor, a lawyer, or a businessman absolutely far from what Manny has achieved in terms of studies but are you really good enough to be remembered for centuries? Manny became Manny of today without our single cent of help. My point here is we should let Manny what he want in the ring after all he is the one who fight and get hurts once inside the ring.
NOYPEE YOU REALLY LOST ME WHAT THE H”’LL ARE YOU TALKIN ABOUT????
NICE ARTICLE, COMPANERO CARLO! TNX.
yes, pacman A is fraud. he pretends to be small, yet had bitten bigger opponents. mayweather is the true p4p king (kong, LOL!) ‘coz he won’t fight the pacman unless he gets the lion’s share–a lion, therefore a king. comes election campaign fever in pinas, manny will fight him for free–in Sarangani, OF COURSE!
Pacquiao is the greatest.
He will beat any one in his weight class even those who are in higher — like Mayweather, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley and even Chavez at a catchweight.
Sounds too much but thats the fact based on his capacities and boxing genius attributes.
Just wait and we will see more a$$es will kiss the canvass come those coming fights with him.
fraud mayweather ducked all opponents whom he thought can beat him…
OMG its not us fans to decide the weight its between both fighters. thru out history fighters have negotiated the weight. When they both agree THEN THERE SHOULD BE NO EXCUSE. ALL FIGHTS HAVE BEEN LIKE THAT. ONLY NOW THE DRAIN & DEHYDRATION EXCUSE IS COMING UP BECAUSE OF PAC. ITS WITHIN THE LEGAL RIGHTS FOR BOTH FIGHTERS TO AGREE WHAT BEST WEIGHT THEY ARE COMFORTABLE TO FIGHT IN AND COMPROMISE. WHEN SOMEONE IN ANOTHER WEIGHT DIVISION WANTS TO FIGHT ANOTHER FIGHTER BELOW ANOTHER DIVISION BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE IT THEY FIGHT AT A CATCH-WEIGHT TO BE FAIR. THAT WEIGHT DETERMINES THE WEIGHT DIVISION. IF IT FALLS IN BETWEEN 141LB TO 147LBS THATS THE WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION. EVEN MY KINDERGARTEN BOY UNDERSTANDS THIS. LOOK UP WELTERWEIGHT EVERYBODY AND LOOK UP THE DEFINITION FOR BOXING WELTERWEIGHT!!!!
Batangeno,
I think you need to be confined at the mental hospital.
To all of you arguing…
Does anyone from the boxer you mention against pacman had a chance to unite a country and for couple of hours stops crime??????I dont think none of them does what PACMan did……
Its not being a P4P king but being great as boxer and most off all as PERSON…………
GO PACMAN……………….
to pacman haters
just you wait till pacman beats cotto you’ll eat all your freaking words about the pacman…
anyway you can’t please them all (critics/haters)
sonex Says:
July 16th,2009 at 8:50am
Batangueno and Vince Better f***ed ur mouth u dont
what ur talking. Pacman is the best Filipino fighter!!!!!!!!!!
@bill
you hit it dead on! these morons doesnt know anything about boxing.
to all pacfans… please dont buy the ppv fight of gayweather vs crying marquez. will support our idol. lets see if he draw the numbers.
Dear All,
IMHO Manny fought at a catch weight only to Oscar albeit it’s at 147 lb limit. We know for a fact that that wasn’t Oscar’s fighting weight at that time as well as Manny’s so it’s a catch weight fight to both of them.
If Manny & Miguel fight at 145 lb catch weight, it’s within the welterweight limit and should be considered as a legitimate welterweight fight thus, ths belt should be at stake but a victory by either of the two would be dented a bit simply because they fought at a catch weight.
Still, it’s a fair fight IMHO.
I thought Pacman already surpass Mayweather even without cotto in his resume. It will just solidify his greatness beating cotto.
Pacman has not fought yet in any catchweight, in fact he will be putting in 7lbs to challenge cotto from his last weigh-in of 138lbs against hatton, pachaters should know about that. Cotto will just have to shed 1 lb. from his last weigh-in of 146lbs against clottey if the fight will be at 145lbs which is still in the welterwight zone (141-147).
My thoughts also that it is the Pacman should dictate the terms not the other way around, unless you consider cotto the p4p king.
What if Pacquiao should fight at 147 while Cotto at 140 and Mayweather at 135 while Marquez will be at 147. And who will fight first at a catch-weight its the Mayweather-Marquez at 143 in September 2009. Why are you complaining for a catch-weight of a Pacquiao-Cotto. Pacquiao at 154 and Mayweather at 130 let’s see who will survive.
Cotto and Mosley want to fight Manny for a bigger paycheck, so why they dont fight at 140 where Manny is an IBO champ?
Because they cant make it at 140, Manny is now willing to fight them at higher weight like 143 just to accommodate them.
why should not Cotto fight Pacquiao at 140 lbs. and Mayweather fight Marquez at 135 so that you’ll not complain of that damn catch-weight thing?
batangueno & vince you are full of shit!!!
jealous & envy fools if anyone wants to criticize someone its PBF. He is the one dont want to fight the BEST. WHILE TELLING EVERYONE HE IS THE BEST. BEST IN WHAT? RUNNING, DODGING, DUCKING,
Dont criticize PAC until you know the history of boxing cause you really look like uneducated FOOLS!!!!!
No one criticize the ones that told these great boxers to go down in weight The great boxers did it AND WON NO EXCUSES. They wanted their opponent to have a fair fight and used their skills to beat them. LOOK UP THESE GREAT BOXERS YOURSELF ITS ALL IN BOXREC.COM
thru out boxing history great boxers have gone down in weight to fight other great boxers.
Hatton lost 8lb 147lb to 139 to fight Urango WON
Arturo Gatti Lost 5lb 146lb to 141 vs Millett Won
Roberto Duran Lost 10lb 166lb to 156lb vs Barkley Won
Sugar Ray Leonard Lost 4lb 148 to 144 vs Viruet Won
Marvin Hagler lost 7lb 162-155 vs Green Won KO1
Margarito lost 10lb 157-147 vs Martinez Won
Roy Jones Jr lost 18lb 193-175 vs Antonio Tarver Won
Hit Man Hearns Lost 14lb vs Rolando Won KO 4
Why cant Cotto loss a measly 3lbs 146-143 These greats had no problem going down they didnt complain they will be dehydrated or drained. Those excuses is for WEAK & OLD BOXERS !!!!
Why no one criticize Marquez or PBF for their catch weight. And all the criticizm is going to PAC. The reason is there are alot of jealous people out there of PACMAN. When Delahoya was the Cash Cow he can make his demands on the split. When PAC became the Cash Cow and demanded the split he was called greedy. When Mayweather was P4P King he demanded that Hatton go up to 147lb to fight him instead of going down 140lb and prove he can beat Hatton at his best. Then PAC became P4PKing he at least trying to compromise with Cotto to make it fair but they are criticizing him. Do you really think because Mayweather beat a FAT HATTON he really fought the better Hatton. Pacquiao was willing to fight Hatton at his best weight. Mayweather did’nt fight Hatton at his best. Thats what all pac wants is to fight his best at the weight he thinks he can win. No one criticize Mayweather for fighting a heavier & therefore even slower Hatton.
A win by Pacquiao over Cotto is definitely a big factor for him to become one of the all-time pound for pound greats. That’s why Pacquiao needs to defeat Cotto at 147 lbs so that another weight class will be added in his record.
all of you are idiot!!!!!! if you win u said that your opponent is good and tough but if you los hehe start make excuses ! there is a law or guidelines in boxing to follow to protect the boxer health and safety coz we all know boxing is dangerous sport catchwght is allowed and legal in boxing if both parties aggree there is no more issue let us wait and accept the result of the fight win or los!!!
Actually before the Cotto fight, Manny is already way better than Floyd in terms of quality of opponents and the way he wins the fights.. Floyd simply wins by “waiting” for his opponents to tire out and win on points. Who did Floyd fight? Baldomir, Gatti, Judah ( could have won had he not run out of gas), Corrales was his best opposition and yet not a HOF fighter..
Lastly, it’s easier for Floyd to beat fighters from 140 – 154lbs. since he’s walking around 150 – 160 lbs. anyway!! But how does he win? By POINTSS !! Why doesn’t he fight in this division?? Pacman’s fighting in the highest weight he can get!!
MAINMAN you’ve been living under a rock????
Some people here are being blinded by their hatred of PACMAN for retiring DELA HOYA. The bottom line is… PACMAN puts fighters into sleep, not those who are willing to pay $49.99.
Definitely! GAYWEATHER is such a BIG DICK! BIG LOSER! BIG LIAR! BIG MOUTH! BIG GAY! I’m gonna kill him!!!!!!!!!!!! Surely, he’ll go to HELL!!!!!!!!!!
pacquiao hasn’t fought at a catchweight yet! idiots!
oy BATANGUEÑO kumain knb ng puki ng ina mo at tsinupsop m nb un titi ng itay mo???? masarap b? pati un mga kapatid mo tirahin m n rin bka masarapan k din sayang???? mag sextrip knlng??? idol
batanguenio,tarantado kayo hindi kayo filipino mga buakang ina nyo puro kayo yabang kahit walang wala.
First of all, Pacman ‘never’ was in any catch weight bout in his carreer.Delahoya fought pacman at 147. He had 3months to prep up, he just didnt maximize his weight coz he wanted to reduce to gain speed advantage over pacman, but you know what happened he lost because it was a wrong gameplan. He couldnt outspeed pacman, what he should have done was bulk himself up to have the size advantage but he didnt the rest is history.He lost no excuses 3months of prep man. Enuf said. Secondly, Mayweather Jr. if his really that great should have gone straight to pacman where the money fight is. Its a no brainer thats the biggest match you could ever make in boxing. He always preaches his after money, but he duct the biggest payday he can make. What does that say about him?? His all bark no teeth! He contradicts himself! If his really good he would fight the best for all the money he could have made but his just a lame fighter who ducts legit welters.. Shane, Cotto margacheato and ofcourse the pacman.He duct every fighter who hasa shot of beating him. So stop putting him so high up there coz he hasn’t proved jack shit. Unlike pPacman he is going up fighting bigger stronger guys than him. Beating them like rag dolls. So whos the best??
Cotto will be his first fight at a catch weight that will be around 144-145 which I do believe is just fair. Pacman is optimized at 140lbs(his a small dud), Cotto is optimized at 147( his a natural welter). Meeting halfway @ 144 sounds fair to me. This what you call handicap in golf. fighting fair to balance things out. This will bring out an even playing field where skill is the determining factor.Same as why we have pound for pound to consider skill of a fighter not the weight. I’m sure it won’t be @143 coz cotto’s nutritionist has said Cotto is can only go down to 144lb without compromising his health. That said @144lbs both fighters will be fighting even, skill will be the determining factor. Their will be no excuses the better man will win this fight. This is a fair fight. both are not optimized to fight at there ideal weight nevertheless there meeting halfway makes it all about skill. Sugar ray had catchweight before why can’t the pacman. It’s just his first. He started at 112lbs guys 144lb is very reasonable if you want to see a good fight between two good fighters a compromise is fair, both aren’t optimized both are evenly matched in my view it all ends up on who has the better skill and heart. Lets get it on!
Vince & Batangueno..parehong sira ulo!! Vince dapat sayo gawing “PORK AND VINCE”..at sayo Batanghenyo MAGTINDA KA NG KULAMBO!! MGA HINAYUPAK NA BOBO!!
campeón wélter mi Miguel para que patâs aprovechó 140lbs un día de asueto para compartir con el titular. que 140lbs de su próximo combate que podría ser contra el filipino Manny Pacquiao el 14 de noviembre en Las Vegas.
OKAY I’LL FIGHT MANNY AT 140 ON NOVEMBER 14 IN LAS VEGAS. BOB, I’LL SIGN THE CONTRACT NOW. 140, ANY PROBLEM?
Just to clarify for everybody – De La Hoya fought Steve Forbes at 150 seven months before fighting Pacquiao at 147. He only dropped 3 pounds for that fight.
Also, Cotto is not even close to the best fighter these guys would have fought. Bigger? Yes, but calling him better would be doing some certain hall-of-famers a great disservice.
Would you honestly rate Cotto over Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Castillo or Corrales? That would make me seriously question your boxing knowledge.
Batangueno gago ilang beses kana na bang natalo sa pustahan sa laban ni pacman hangang ngayon kahol ng kahol ka parin sa ingit ni pacman.
vince? hello?? Manny was asking for a catchweight of 143lbs if he fights Cotto, and not your PBF or Mayweather. Manny will fight Mayweather at 147 or 155 —no problem. Cotto is a natural welterweight, or even middleweight as some would say, he weighs 160 to 170lbs during fight nights. mannn in other words, Cotto is naturally big compared to Manny. so, to cut their weight difference, Manny is asking Cotto to come down to at least 143lbs, just to even things a little, although Cotto would still be heavier, but 143 is fair enough to both fighters.
# 48, dude dont say susch things, comment but dont pretend to be pacman. he wouldnt go searching on websites just to reply on threads such as these.
whoever you are lets figths with me then you understand about boxing…you think it easy to build up your weigh..you try my friends…then fight wit me…thyen you will know..stop mouning about pacman..your not in pacmans body…just let me know if you willing to fight with me..anytime any place..you might need some manila ice hook..common..lets do it..whatever you said i already put my name as a great boxer in the world..who gonna blamed this?is it the fighter or the boxing rules that has been place there for decade?is that pacman fault?why everyone of you keep blaming me (pacman)?why you should blamed anyone who agreed to fight on the said catch weigh?is been there for decade..dont be stupid…pacman is a small man who can beat a bigger guy..thats why you are all jealous..why i beat them beacuse i beleived there is god..who among you beleived there is god?hatton beleived god?i dont think so..hatton beleived there is a beer in the pub all night long…that’s why i beat him..agreed or not?there’s so many excuses if your not winning the game of boxing..but the reality boxing is business anyone of you become rich of this article that you read on this website?no one only the publisher on this website..you know what,a lot of people view and give comments,because they think they are more better than the publisher..did you?are you rich now?bweeeeebebebe..you see me on nov 14..and dont give a shit..i will fight whoever wants me to fight..if the price is right…this money will go the people who really needed my help..if guys can help please help them..dont waste your time here..go off..and make money to help our kababayan..that’s why i am still keep fighting.. i want to help as much as i can..god bless you all
leo,
Manny doesn’t want the welterweight belt. He doesn’t want it because he can’t make the weight. He’s not fighting Cotto for the belt. Don’t you understand that? They are not fighting for the belt. If there is a catch-weight, it will never be for the belt. What don’t you understand? It irritates me when people don’t understand how boxing works. Plain and simple, if there’s a catch-weight, it will never be for a belt. Get serious. If it was for the belt, there would no such thing as a catch-weight, hence the term “weight-division.”
no matter how many fights pacman wins there will always be a hater, why you ask? cuz they are the fan of the fighter that lost, and will only grow more hatered when we celebrate, its the way the world turns.
Cotto: “I will meet him half way”
last time cotto fought he was at 147
last time pacman fought he was at 140
so whats half way there? 145? seriously you need to go back to school if thats your answer. pacman is already at a disadvantage he is the smaller guy, cotto has the height, reach, power advantage. wouldnt it be fair enough to meet him half way?
as for gayweather, he thinks arum is greedy, only another greedy person would know how other greedy people think. he wants 60% of the split well thats greed for you right there. he said he keeps all his money while pacman has to split his share with arum, so who’s the greedy one now? isnt 50-50 split fair enough? unless he’s only using it as cover to duck the best fighters and go for the class B fighters so he record remain unbeaten.
if ego was a crime, gayweather wouldv been in death row.
Nice article Giancarlo. I hope a lot of haters and doubters alike will finally accept the fact that PACMAN has indeed earned the lb for lb best status and has brought excitement to the sport unlike PBF who always fight with the odds always in his favor and made viewers yawn and stood to their seats and watch telenovelas.
Cotto is a hot wire and I just hope PAC can pull out good this time. I hope the history of Elorde and Ortiz will not be repeated as Elorde fought Ortiz in his legit weight but was proven to be too much for him to carry. Well PAC is a rare breed and I still bet my $$$ for him. May the best man wins! One thing is for sure. It’s gonna be a hell of a fight. Walang kurapan na naman..And hope Cotto plays clean too. No Zab Judah tactics hehe..
Ambobo mo batangueño..Ilang beses ba kelangan sabihin sayo welterweight eh 141-147? Mahirap ba talaga maintindihan yon? Pinaparehas lang laban ikanga..O masyado ka lang talaga nabugbog sa katol? Hinay hinay lang brod..Malaki na siguro talo mo kay PAC hehe..
Batangeno, you are stupid.
Both boxers agreed for the weight class before they fight. Don’t you know that?
If they lose, its their fault. They are stupid, like you, to fight in a weight class that don’t suit them.
Bwa! Hahahaha!
Why not become a promotor like Bob Arum so you can do what you wanted?
Sorry, but your comments are SHIT…
to brahma bull
u got a sound logic right there
I agree with yan-ah. Pacquiao is the King of Boxing. He has no fear fighting Bigger Guys, that is the Truth. And, because of his talent great guys like Hatton, De La Hoya melts when the face the Pacman’s speed and power and people call this phenomenon drained-down boxers because they can not comprehend the speed and power of Pacquiao. Floyd Mayweather is affraid to fight good boxers in his own weight class. Pacquiao’s true weight class is only 130-135 lbs but never did he duck or was afraid of anyone including the giants like Dela Hoya and Hatton.
i dont care if pac used to weigh 106 pounds he couldve weight in at 100 pound when he started… if he cant make 147 because his body wont let him and can only make 142 the he shouldnt be trying to get another belt… sure pacman is the p4p king but cotto is the welter weight champion and put your self in cottos shoes someone comes to you and says “hey im mister popular here and i want to add another belt to my record so all my nutthugers canlove me even more and i can become a legend” “and the belt i want is around your weist, so i want your belt, but i cant make weight so i dont care if youre the champion , i want your belt but i cant make 147 so you have to come down”…. i thinks its bull s@#t, man up manny you want his belt the welter weight belt, so let him fight at welter limit 147…i say fuk it. manny wants the welter belt then fight at welter limit, or atleast let cotto fight at that weight, if he cant make that weight then he can weigh in at 143 that way is fair,…
Pacquiao the king of boxing!!!
He sutrggled so much against rickey hatton and running to much against oscar,how can you compare that its an elementary brain.
hey to british p4p.. in case u didnt know newbie..
the welterweight is from 140.1-147..
so if the fight is in between those weights it is still considered a welterweight bout.. st@pida$$!
Batangueno here is a paid GBP gay propagandist meant to discredit Pac and forward GBP and Mayweather with his lies and moronic opinions.. what a loser!!! Catchweight King? when did Pac fought with a catchweight?? stupid!!!
color black+color white= color brown
no need to beat cotto he is already above mayweather.
The truth is PACQUIAO is the best. Way better than PBF. Pacquiao did not fight anyone at a catchweight in all his fights. NEVER. The idea of catch weight is just being floated for his next fight with Cotto. Before that he fought everyone at their prefered weight including dela Hoya and Hatton. Only Morons like PBF-huggers believe their lies like PBF believes in his. PACQUIAO will knockout Cotto even at 147 or at 100 lbs if you will. THE BEST P4P PACMAN GIVES NO EXCUSES. THE BEST FIGHTS AND DOES NOT TALK LIKE SHIT PBF nonsense.
Pacquiao is already greater than Mayweather.
giancarlo, who are you joking??? true boxing fans or pac fans who have no clue about the sport of boxing??
FEAR is preventing floyd from becoming the alltime great, boxer in history. if he only had half the balls pacman have, boxing would be double the excitement today. floyd fails boxing fans by hendering and putting boxing stagnant by his two years absent. now reluctant to figth the best mainly because he is SCARED.
PACMAN is a legend because he is NO FEAR
batangueno, baliw ka talaga, lahat sila sabi matatalo si pacman ke marquez, diaz, de la hoya at hatton, ng tinalo ni pacman ang dami nila rason
kung bakit natalo sila.
British P4P another brainwashed idiot buying into the catch-weight hype. First of all, anything above 140 is considered welterweight. So if Pacquiao and Cotto fight at say 145 pounds that is a Welterweight Title fight.
If Cotto accepts the terms to a catch weight then there should be no blame on Pacquiao, Pacquiao is moving up in weight, why should the smaller man have to make all the accommodations? Cotto weighed 146 pounds when he fought Clottey so what’s one more pound to a 145 pounds, especially when his nutritional adviser stated is was ok.
I’m tired of hearing about fighters being weight drained, if a fighter is that weight drained he should stop looking for smaller guys to pick on and fight guys in his own weight division and/or a higher weight division… funny how Hopkins met smaller guys at catch weights and dominated them now it’s a problem… some smaller guys are just better and the weight just evens the odds out for the smaller guy.
By the way I would agree Cotto is the best opponent either guys would face because De La Hoya was washed up and Cotto is bigger and much better than Hatton or any one of those other smaller fighters
pacquiao is greater then ugly floyd mayweather….. saying his pretty but looks like a monkey…lol
i agree to ezralira, pacquiao has not fight on a catch weight ….
The comments in this article goes to show the TRUE boxing fans and those that buy into hype…good to know boxing still stirs interest.
why ask marquez to fight mayweather at 147 limit?not a 142-144 catchweight……why ask mayweather to fight a real welter like his own size???….
The Brahma Bull….
You Got It Right, I totally agree with you a 110%.
The thing is that Pacquiao is always fighting Bigger and Giant Boxers and was never given credits for doing it. Can you imagine a 106 lb. boxer fighting bigger guys like George Foreman?
Batanguenio and Vince are full of ssh. Floyed Mayweather Jr. is a dull fighter to watch and I never like watching his fights, It puts you to sleep. Pacquiao is the best exciting fighter I have ever seen in my life.
Cotto fight could be off anyway due to pacman camp wanting cotto at 143. after watching the 24/7 oscar vs manny build up it looked to me like freddie roach and team pacman decided the weight. roach has even stated he could see blood on oscars arm on fight night do to him needing a drip to rehydrate himself. He then told manny to jump on oscar.
looking at other forums people are getting frustrated with manny. if he wants Cotto why not fight at 147 same with mosley. Thats what people are saying.
hey batangeno! stop pretending. your username is a filipino race.
by the way, nice article! whoever wins! this will be better than Mayweather-marquez fight.
pacman is going notgoing win he picked the wrong man cotto is going 2 break him down with powerful shots2 the body.
Just review Pacquiao’s last three fights — one with a paper champ snail, one with a dehydrated has-been and one with a daft beer-drinking shot Brit. In Cotto, he would be facing a real threat… oh, wait… Pacquiao doesn’t like real threats, how about asking him to drain down to 143?
Go and read peoples posts in forums everywhere, Pac is losing credibility. P4P haggling for 4 pounds? What a joke. He is a disgrace to others like Gerry Penalosa who fought a gallant battle against a younger, better, faster Juan Manuel Lopez.
This is your nation’s hero? This is the fighter who you call National Fist? How about National Fraud?
OOPPSSS…CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT CATCH WEIGHT HAS MANNY FOUGHT??????? I KEEP HEARING ALL THESE CATCH WEIGHT HE’S FOUGHT!!!!!!!!! SOME BODY PLEASE TELL ME.
CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG. WASN’T THE FIGHT WITH DELA..AT 147. AND HIS LAST FIGHT WAS AT LW WEIGHT? SO WHERE IS THIS CATCH WEIGHT KING COMING FROM?
WE ALL KNEW THE DELA..FIGHT WAS ONLY FOR MONEY… IT WAS A CIRCUS FIGHT…. DELA.. CAME UP WITH THE IDEA TO COME DOWN IN WEIGHT AND PICK ON A SMALLER FIGHTER AND GOT HIS ASS WHOOOP AND NOW WANNA BLAME THE LITTLE GUY…SHIT WHAT A FAWKIN SORE LOSER.
AND ANOTHER THING. IF YOU WERE TO SAY WHO HAD THE MOST DISADVANTAGE YOU SHOULD BE SAYING MANNY. GIVEN THE FACT HE’S ONLY FOUGHT AS HIGH AS LIGHT WEIGHT ONCE. THAT’S 12 POUNDS VS 7 POUNDS DELA HAD TO COME DOWN. BUT SINCE I’M NOT A BIASED FAN, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY BOTH HAD THEIR DISADVANTAGES. BOTH FIGHTER AGREED TO IT, SO THE BETTER FIGHTER WON SIMPLE AS THAT. SO PLEASE STOP ALL THIS BS ABOUT CATCH WEIGHT BECAUSE HIS LAST 2 FIGHTS WERE AT LEGIT WEIGHT CLASS..
OOOO ANOTHER THING. IF ANOYNE ON HERE CAN SHOW AND PROVED TO ME THAT MANNY PAC BEEN FIGHTING CATCH WEIGHT FIGHTS PRIOR TO HIS UP COMING FIGHT WITH COTTO, THEN I WILL MAKE A YOUTUBE VIDEO LICKING THE BOTTOM OF MY SHOES…REAL TALK NO LIE.. SO UNTIL THEN…. STFU….
TALK ABOUT THE MEDIA AFFECT ON GULLIBLE STUPID BOXING FANS. ENOUGH SAID.
PLEASE SOMEBODY
great article!!
The Truth,
Manny didn’t ask Oscar to fight at 147. Oscar dictated the fight. Stupid Oscar was supposed to fight Cotto, but Cotto lost. Then he didn’t want anything to do with him. Instead, he chose to fight one of the smallest guys out there because he’s known as the p4p king. In that fight, Oscar was definitely the bigger name. He dictated the terms of the fight. He fought Pacquiao because Pacquiao was the one that would bring in the most money.
So, before making any comments, make sure to know a little something about boxing. Oscar expected Cotto to win. When he didn’t, Oscar chose to pick on someone else. Too bad it didn’t work in his favor. And one more thing, why did you forget to mention that the judge publicly announced that a mistake was made in the scoring of the first fight between Pacquiao and Marquez? Did you hear Pacquiao whine about the mistake like the way Beristain and Marquez did after losing the 2nd match? And if Marquez is so good, why aren’t there any photos of Marquez looking at Pacquiao when Pacquiao was on the canvas? I’ve seen some great pictures of Pacquiao looking at Marquez as he kissed the canvas. I heard Marquez likes “ropes” as well. He showed Pacquiao how to hold on to them to prevent himself from falling. That’s one lesson Marquez has taught Pacquiao that Freddie Roach hasn’t. It seems that Marquez is really good at holding on to the ropes.
By the way, Manny isn’t running away from Marquez. He’s waiting for him to get off the canvas and to stop holding on to the ropes. If he’s constantly on the canvas and holding on to the ropes, he’ll never catch up to Manny. You may think that Manny is running away but in reality, Manny is getting tired of waiting for Marquez to stop making out with the canvas and stroking the ropes. Manny doesn’t swing that way. That’s why he’s moved on.
Will someone please tell me about a time when Pacquiao fought at a catch-weight? I don’t recall any. The terms of the De la Hoya – Pacquiao fight were dictated by Oscar himself. Oscar chose the weight of 147 as he did 154 against Mayweather. When Hatton challenged Mayweather, Mayweather wanted the fight at 147. When Pacquiao challenged Diaz and Hatton for their belts, he moved up in weight. Now, Pacquiao is not challenging Cotto for the belt. The fans want to see a good fight and Bob Arum is ready to give it to them. Unlike Mayweather with Hatton, Cotto is willing to meet Pacquiao halfway. And for all of you who keep saying that Pacquiao has fought at 147, he hasn’t. True, the fight between him and Oscar was at the limit of 147, but Pacquiao only weighed in at 142. Oscar weighed in at 145. So, in reality, the fight could’ve been at a limit of 145. When Pacquiao fought Hatton, the limit was 140. He weighed in at 138.
So, if Manny fights Cotto at a limit of 147 and Cotto weighs in at 144-145, will he still be considered weight-drained? If that’s the case, Manny was weight-drained when he fought Hatton and Oscar. It’s true. He came in 5 pounds below the limit against Oscar and 2 pounds below against Hatton. Yet, he killed both of them in a total of 10 rounds, less than an actual 12 round match. No one ever gives Manny credit for coming in at 5 pounds below the limit when he fought Oscar. Yet, he gets crap for wanting Cotto to come in at 2-3 pounds less than his regular weight limit. They’re not fighting for the belt, they’re fighting for the fans and for money.
When Manny fights Cotto, I can almost guarantee that Cotto will come in at the weight limit and Pacquiao will still weigh in at about 2 pounds below the limit. I’m sure that Cotto has fought at the welterweight division weighing in at a weight less than the limit. I’m sure he’s fought a match weighing in at about 145. Manny has tried to fight at a higher weight but 142 seems to be the most he can get up to. That’s why he’s asking for the catch-weight. He tried to reach the weight against Oscar and realized that he can’t. Even though he couldn’t make the weight, he didn’t back out of the fight. Now that he knows he can’t make the weight, why would he fight at that weight limit? At least he’s not a puss like Mayweather asking a another champion, Hatton, to weigh in at a 147 limit. Let’s be honest, who’s the bigger name between Cotto and Pacquiao? After Pacquiao’s success and being p4p king, he should be able to dictate the fight just as Oscar did against Mayweather and how Mayweather did against Hatton. If you noticed, Oscar wanted to fight at his weight limit and Mayweather wanted to fight Hatton at his weight limit. Shouldn’t Pacquiao be able to ask Cotto to fight him at the 140 weight limit? Oscar was the bigger name than Mayweather and Mayweather was the bigger name than Hatton. Pacquiao is the bigger name than Cotto yet Pacquiao wants to meet halfway, unlike Oscar who asked Manny to move up 12 pounds from his fight with David Diaz while he only goes down 7 pounds. Cotto last fought at a 147 limit and Pacquiao at 140 limit. 143.5 pounds is right in between. If they both weigh in at that weight, they both will be even and will fight at a weight that they both haven’t fought at. Pacquiao wants to make sure that the fight is even, unlike Oscar or Mayweather. Come on, seriously, Mayweather is asking for a catch-weight. He wants Marquez to gain about 8-12 pounds while he loses about 0-4. To be honest, I can’t remember if they’re fighting at 143 for at 147. Mayweather is asking a smaller man to gain that much weight while Manny is asking a bigger man to go down a couple of pounds.
Right there proves that Manny is a true p4p king. P4P king doesn’t mean that he has to keep moving up to fight everyone in the boxing world to keep his title. The title is given to the person who proves himself to be the most talented fighter, no matter what the weight is. It doesn’t mean that he has to fight everyone. But, Manny is trying to fight the best fighters he can without only himself making all the sacrifices. Remember, this is a guy who started at 106. How much weight do people want him to gain? There’s only so much his body can handle.
Manny Fagman Pacquiao will not prove he is Better then Mayweather even if Mayweather looses to Marquez. When Mayweather had a questionable win over Castillo he gave him a rematch and won clearly. when Pacquiao fought Marquez the first time it ended at a draw, some people felt Marquez actually won the first time they fought even though Marquez was droped 3 times! so when a rematch came it just raised more questions if Pacquiao really deserved the split desition win. Since then he has been running scared to fight Marquez.
I agree with Batangueño Pacquiao is the new Drain-Your-Pounds King. Hes allready done it to Morrales, De La Hoya and now he wants Cotto to do the same? WTF!!!!!
I’ve gotta agree with Batangueno and Vince on this one. Why doesn’t Pacquiao fight Cotto or Mosley at 147? It’s not like he’s going to go up that high anyways. Pacquiao along with that piece of shit Arum wants to become the Drain Your Weight Champion by wanting to fight Cotto at 143. You’ve got to prove yourself at an actual weight e.g. 140, 147 not 143. I don’t think Pacquiao beating Cotto at 147 is good enough for him to be over Mayweather. Cotto has been disappointing as of late. It seems the fight I want to see might actually happen (vs. Mosley).
The only way we will no who is best and who should be top of the p4p list is if they fight each other.
Dont forget mayweather is fighting a fighter that the majority of people believe hasnt lost to the pacman. Marquez September 19th rescheduled
Got to say both fighters are greats of there era, so lets see who will become the all time great.
To fake Batangueno and Vince.
You are both morons of the highest kinds. Since when did Pacquiao fought at a catchweight? When? You do not know what you are blabbering about? With Diaz? Hatton? De la Hoya? The Diaz fight was at the lightweight limit of 135, the Hatton fight at the jr welterweight limit of 140. The De la Hoya was at the welterweight limit of 147 where it was De la Hoya who set the conditions or terms of the fight and who challenged Pacquiao because Mayweather wouldn’t give him the rematch and instead “retired” in the middle of the “negotiations”. Where is the catchweight fight that you two are saying that Pacquiao has fought that’s why you are now calling him “the drain-your-pounds” king?
“PACQUIAO IS A FRAUD”!
Vince, Floyd Mayweather was 130lbs when he started his pro career at 19. At the same age, Manny Pacquiao fought bouts between 110 and 113.
Will Pacman PLEASE fight Mosley. It is such a great fight !!!!!
pacman has more balls than gayweather!
You said that right,one thing you can say about pbf besides the marquez fight is he’s fought all of the champions at their weight not some catch weight.You can’t be p4p and always fight at a catch weight.You want to be the WW champ,you fight at 147 not 143 or 145 pds.People tend to forget that manny turned pro at 16 while pbf turned pro at 21,thats why manny has moved from 106-147.i bet when pbf was 18 or 19 he was near 106 pds.
Not if the fight is at less than 147. Pacquiao is the new Drain-Your-Pounds King.