Ortiz Didn’t Quit!
June 30th, 2009
By Manuel Perez: Let me get some things straight for all the critics that have come out of the woodwork after Victor Ortiz’s 6th round stoppage loss last weekend against Marcos Maidana. Ortiz didn’t quit and wasn’t about to quit at the time the fight was stopped. The referee is the one that took Ortiz over to the ringside doctor and he was the one that said the fight should be stopped after he saw what a mess of a cut that Ortiz had over his left eye.
He got dropped, true, but he only had partial vision because his cut was leaking blood into his right eye and he couldn’t see a thing out of the eye. He wasn’t really hurt at the time of the stoppage. His vision was the problem. When you get a cut as bad as Ortiz’s cut, it’s almost impossible to fight with it. The bout should have been stopped as soon as the cut occurred because no way was Ortiz going to be able to fight effectively with blood pouring all down his face and everywhere.
Ortiz was ahead in the fight at the time that the bout was stopped. That was pointed out by his promoter Oscar De La Hoya, who also said that Ortiz had fought the wrong fight against Maidana. I don’t necessarily agree with Oscar on that. I think Ortiz was doing a fine job until he got cut over his eye. After the cut happened, you might as well forget it.
Ortiz owned up to the loss and said that he’ll be better next time out. I completely agree with him. Next time, if there ever is one, he’ll beat Maidana easily, because Ortiz will choose to box and move. Its okay to slug with Maidana, but Ortiz needs to stay clear of getting hit with rabbit punches or any of the other roughhouse tactics that Maidana sometimes uses.
Ortiz is more of a craftsman and doesn’t know how to fight in a wild brawling style that Maidana uses. He’s very skillful and hasn’t been exposed to fighters with the brawling style that Maidana uses. Ortiz should be proud for the way he fought. He gave it his all and when he couldn’t fight anymore because of the blood, he went out on his feet like a true warrior. There’s no greatness in being beaten and left on the canvas.
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Victor Ortiz CLEARLY quit. After getting up from the knockdown, he didn’t even bother trying to get back to the fight, and instead walked over to the corner.
He quit, and his post fight comments only cement the fact that he doesn’t have the heart for this sport.
Hey Manuela Perez! your such a clean up crew for your superstar. why not compare the heart of Ortiz to Pacquiao now. Pacquiao-Morales I. they have the same cut. how about the rounds they went over with. what round did ortiz got the cut? and stoppes at what round? haha!
Pacquiao got cut on the 6th or 7th maybe but went to a split decision.
Thats the heart of your superstar? giving up a fight huh?! poor Manuela… huhuhuhuhu!
O YEAH ALMOST FORGOT
ODLH + PACMAN = ODLH retiring for LIFE!!
hahahahahahahaha pussyhole!
ortiz did what his daddy oscar did!
OSCAR DELA HOYA + BHOP = ODLH KO’D therefore as you said perez no greatness
ERIK MORALES + PACMAN = MORALES RETIRING FROM BOXING HAHAHAHAHAHA
which definately according to you means no greatness.
the list goes on and on……
and now VICTOR ORTIZ adds to it!
warriors……MY ARSE LOL HAHAHAHAH
to mr zko:
i´m not so sure that ortiz would eventually knock out maidana if he had realized that switching his style was the solution. the “guy” you have mentioned has probably the most powerful punches that victor has faced ever. and the work to the body began to gave fruits from the 3rd round. just look ortiz face at his corner during 4th and 5th intervals. it must be difficult to stand a pair of iron cannonballs punching your ribs constantly.
Ortiz did quit… it was clearly obvious. Ortiz should not have put himself in that position in the first place. He admitted that his team gave him the right strategy. When he found out the guy has “pop”, why didn’t he switch styles? He could have broken this guy down with boxing skills and eventually knock him out. Now that Ortiz’s chin has been cracked, I’m not sure it will ever be the same.
learn from cotto ortiz he stayed fighting for 9 rounds with a worst cut over his eye then u but he keep fighting so i dont understand why perez calls ortiz a true warrior and cotto a fake??????? And as for julio c chavez he was a great mexican fighter one of the best
Ortiz quit. Follow his example Pelez and quit writting. You are obviously too bias about your own people to write anything worthwhile or objective.
I agree with Cuadrilatero. No ethnic group has the market cornered on toughness in boxing, to say that “Mexican” boxing is shit is stupid, just as stupid as Perez is for being such a sycophant to boxers just because they are Mexican. Boxers are individuals, yes their background influences their fighting style and character, but their countries are not in there in the ring getting battered around. They have to summon the strength they have inside to keep going in the face of adversity. We may feel a common pride when a countryman or someone with the same ethnic heritage as ours excels at something, but it is not a representation of one group’s superiority over another. Ortiz is an individual of Mexican heritage who climbed in to the ring. He took punishment and gave some out. When the time came to dig deep for the strength and courage to push through to victory or noble defeat, he did not have it in him. His being Mexican, or African American, or White, or Filipino had nothing to do with it.
perez, here you are again. your vicious ortiz just followed what his promoter did when he got beaten. surrender. you said he didnt quit. when he waived his hand while fighting, that’s it…that’s quitting. warriors dont quit like that. you can never be a great fighter until you overcome beating like that. if he can fight more rounds, why did he act like he doesnt want to fight anymore. if you dont call that quitting, i dont know what quit is.
i will pay $50 to see mr perez fight pacman cause he write like he can box. maybe he can revive our mexican warrior mentality. after the fight maybe reality will hit him and he will write with sense hahahahahahahahhaha
typical perez sticking up for a guy who has no heart because he’s Mexican
ortiz quit like a bitch ill fight him right now wussy punk ho bitch
ok, ok. maybe ortiz has little heart. but..what about maidana punches? his fists are not made of cotton. i notice that his continuous punches to the body made victor lose stamina through each round. nevertheless he is a young boxer and he has a future
ortiz did quit, but manuel pussy is worse – he lied.
Ive been watching ortiz ever since he was 18 on hes first fight the kid was hungry he was kicking some ass and ive seen chino fight hes no push around. But what i saw that day was bad he had no heart that night when hes coach said im going to stop the fight he didnt respond at all I still like him and i will still will watch him fight but i would never bet on him he lost all heart that night an his comment at the end man miguel cotto fought all 12 rounds with an cut 2 times bigger than hes on the second round but i still like victor i hope he can wake after this fight hes still young
This manual perez is so full of nonsence, it’s unbelievable.
Manuela – you completely contradicted yourself in this article. You said that you didn’t agree with ODLH that Ortiz should have fought a different fight, but you later said in the next paragraph that next time he should box and move instead of slugging it out. Which is it? That paragraph is a total contradiction much like most of your articles. Cotto’s cut was much worse and he fought 9 rounds with only one eye, yet you gave him no credit. No you say that its almost impossible to fight with a cut over your eye. All you articles are written contradictions.
Ortiz quit and is just another brittle mexican fighter that can’t take a punch. Just like the beating Barrera took from Khan.
Mexican boxing is seriously sh#t these days
hey perez, ortiz quit and now hes finished
Yes he did, and right before they looked at the cut again in the sixth round, after he went down, you could hear him say…”I can’t do it” to the referee. He has the skills but not the heart. In all fairness, if he doesn’t want to do it, then he shouldn’t have to do it any more.
perez your predictable
you’ve taken shots at Cotto for performing badly with a massive cut but it’s fine for ortiz to quit. he said he did himself, Cotto fought well at more of a disadvantage against a better opponent
seriously i love your articles their hilarious, stop writing no one likes your articles
I disagree with this artical. Goldenboy really made a bad match-up for this kid. Regardless of how Ortiz faught Maidana? Maidana would have ultimately broke down Ortiz’s will and finished with a victory. Maidana is a tough fighter with good power. You really can’t teach toughness, it has to be in the fighter already. They are both young. Good luck to both of them in the future.
Perez, i think u write the things you say because u thrive off of hate. Any boxing expert that watched that fight knows that ortiz quit! Ortiz even said after the fight was over that he didnt deserve to get hit that hard! what kind of boxer complains that he doesnt deserve to get hit? Hello, it’s boxing! So its all right for him to hit people hard but it’s not okay for his opponent to hit him hard. Those sound like words of a quitter to me. The funny thing is that I liked Ortiz but i knew that this was going to be his first real challenge and to see what he was actually made of. He’s made of Pillows! If i can tell that Ortiz lost and quit that fight why cant u Perez? and i was pulling for Ortiz, its obvious that you are bias!
Damn Perez, you better quit writing men! I’ve been reading some of your articles for 2 months now, and the only thing i see to all the comments on your articles is disagreement. you suck dude! And yes! Ortis did quit.
In fairness to Ortiz, that left eye socket might have been broken. The cut to the right eye was not as bad as Cotto’s cut from the Clottey fight. Bottom line, Ortiz quit. He may have to tools, but ultimately he may not want to be a fighter.
Manuel Perez Hilton might think that Ortiz should have boxed more, and that is probably true. But it sure doesn’t look like that it is in his mental makeup. When he hurts his opponents, he wants to finish them off quickly, but lacks discipline, and is vulnerable due to his weak chin.
It’s too bad, because I really want to like the kid. I hope he proves me wrong.
even if he hadn’t he would have lost in the next round. He will come back stronger
Are you being serious? How can you say he didn’t quit! Ortiz even said after the fight he shouldn’t have to take punishment like that. Critics coming out of the woodwork? HBO team thought he quit too and questioned his heart. Joke article.
lol ortiz quit, you can see it on the tape plain and clear
nah, ortiz cried uncle.
Perez – your blind defense of any Mexican fighter, even a fake Mexican like Ortiz/DLH is getting silly now!
Thats like a white writer defending any white guy just because he is white, what a ridiculous thing to do!
Or A black writer defending any black boxer just because he is black.
You are obviously quite a simple and backward person to continue doing this.
I like ortiz but the guy has no heart, like when DLH fought Pacman, he basically didn’t want the fight and never came to have it and go down all guns blazing.
i have 2 disagree ortiz clearly waved his hand and shacking his hand saying he was done! i also agree about the heart issue he has none, agian not cause im a cotto fan but cottos cut was worst and he battled till the end!
Another Mexican fighter quiting on his stool. It’s gettin ugly. Ortiz wen’t out like a btch and sounded even more like a btch. Flat out got his azz whoooooped. To bad Perez, it’s over. I thought Ortiz was gonna run back to the locker room when the ref was at 5. That was pathetic.
agree w/above Gabe. he seemed to have quit. i also think he can bounce back from this, take as a learning lesson, have a couple of tune-ups and rematch maidana. after all, it was an exciting fight w/both men being knocked down several times. like the fact that he was challenged and not overprotected like arum does with chavez jr. and donaire in those low-budget ppvs….
I think that Ortiz is a decent boxer who may still have potential but he did quit. He quit in the 5th round after he was cut. He started taking punishment and stopped fighting back. In the 6th he went down and during the 8 count he had a look on his face that said he didn’t want any more. The ref took pity on him and lead him to the doctor who called the fight. Compare that with the Cotto fight and you can see the difference in heart. Hell, look at the 2nd fight between Ray Mancini and Livingstone Bramble and you will see that Mancini was cut over both eyes and the ref took him a few times to the doctor with Mancini begging to continue. You rarely see that much heart anymore in boxing and you certainly didn’t see it from Ortiz last week.
ortiz is as good as vargas he is not great and he quit! he was doing a good job but he did not have enough balls that day , maybe another day ,we wont know unless he is in that situation again!
OH YEA whats difference between cotto and oritz. HUHH you idiot. Oh year cotto is puerto rican so he sucks but ortiz oh my is so good and that cut was massive. Funny that cottos cut was worse. IDIOT
Joke boy perez protecting a mexican fighter NO WAY! If thise was pacquiao title would read Pacman a quitter. Perez your the biggest idiot of them all.
ortiz is no good if he cant get past this guy then how the hell is he going to get past all the best welter weights out there he has weak chin that cant be fix and people no how tho beat him now just go after him ortiz is no good for the sports of boxing he did quit and hes only 22 and he quit hahahahaha fool no ortiz has lost 2 now and he will be a bum
o god! perez ;ortiz doesn’t need what you are saying, he just quit like you said a true warrior doesn’t quit any fight even if he is really hurt. maidana was just better then ortiz
Manuel you’re an idiot. I’ve only been following Boxing News for about a month but I’ve yet to see an article from you that has any common sense or truth to it… rather than your dumb opinions.
At first I thought maybe you just had different views on stuff to me and most top boxing experts… but after this one it’s clear you just have no idea.
Dude, are you sure you were even watching the same fight as the rest of us?
ortiz got destroyed the suka,ooh but hes only 22 says odh,we seem to forget amir khans also 22 ,he got blasted for the presscott debacle,so why not ortiz,he was a golden boy hype job who was fkd naked by maidana,he is workd class for real.khan is gonna batter kotelnic who battered maidana,so what does that make khan?the man with the keys to this poncey lw division,go on khan do it for britain,were all with ya even the haters!!!!(i think)
The ref gave Ortiz a break by bringing him over to the doctor. Ortiz made it clear that he did not want to continue and the ref could, and should, have stopped the fight then. Ortiz quit and Perez should do the same.
Manny, check the HBO tape again. Vic resigned to the ref and HE Victor actually told the doctor to stop the fight. No one else stopped it but Victor.
Manny Punanny!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
CLOWN SHOES!!
You write like your old lady gives cabeza!!
he did quit. see the state of cottos cut. he went on. ortiz has no heart and quit on his very stool.
This article is funny. The writer is making excuses for a mediocre boxer. A TKO is a TKO no excuses. Ortiz lost fair and square, just deal with it.
Did not quit just give up lol, perez why? (shakes head) why….?????
“Ortiz didn’t quit and wasn’t about to quit at the time the fight was stopped.”
Watch the fight again and you can clearly see by his hand and face expression he didn’t want to continue. Cotto had a tougher opponent and a worse cut yet he still continued to fight on and won in the end on points. Cotto could have simply told the doctor that he couldn’t see and would have won, but cotto doesn’t quit because he has a heart. Ortiz has no defense and no heart, he got found out, simple as. His comments at the end were very disappointing. If he got as much exposure as he does in the UK as he does in USA and said that at the end, he would get criticism that would make him want to quit boxing for life. If he fought somebody like manny pacquiao he would have got KILLED! Stick to bums Ortiz!
”mess of a cut that Ortiz had over his left eye”. quote by perez
”but he only had partial vision because his cut was leaking blood into his right eye ” another perez quote
which eye was it then perez? the photo shows there is no cut over his left eye at all??
ladies and gentlemen…another perez masterpiece.
This is Manuel’s usual defense of one of his Mexican gods after their defeat. Ortiz quit. His cut was bad, but true warriors fight until the end, no matter how bad their cut is. You say that Cotto’s cut wasn’t so bad and that it didn’t affect his performance. But now you say that Ortiz cut was very bad and he couldn’t continue. Double standard. True warriors go out on their shield not on their feet. The doctor ask Ortiz if he wanted to continue fighting and he didn’t answer, so he quit.
ortiz is a great fighter and its a great shame he lost but no need to make excuses for him perez. he simply just wasnt good enough he lost heart specially after the fight he mentioned “im still young but i dont deserve to get beat like this” . he never had a chance had the fight went on. so much so soon for the mexican. all the great fighters can always come back from a loss and lets hope he comes back with some quality. if ever!!