Klitschko V Haye is a disgrace: Who is Responsible?
By Jordan Taylor: It was confirmed on Friday that Wladimir Klitschko would now be fighting Ruslan Chagaev instead of David Haye who injured his back whilst at his training camp in Cyprus. Initially a date of July 11th was touted about, as he would need 3 weeks to get back to full fitness, maybe even a week later so HBO could do a massive double header on both sides of the Atlantic.
A few points need to be bought up about this, and I would hope we could even get some answers from the people at Setanta and Co. An estimated 25, 000 fans from the UK had booked tickets, hotels and the like to watch this fight, most of them will not be remunerated and will end up watching another boring Eastern European slugfest.
I am sorry if I have generalized here, I try not to commit this sin too much, but seriously, Klitschko V Haye would have been a great fight. It’s got good publicity, the US were genuinely interested, and it’s the first time in a while we have had decent mainstream exposure.
Are those 25, 000 fans going to get their money’s worth now? Who will watch the Fight on TV? I am not taking anything away from Wladimir, he is a skillful, talented fighter, who I thought maybe would have been forced to open his style up a bit more with Haye, but Ruslan is a mediocre Heavyweight who lacks what many aspects we expected to see.
We were going to get a genuinely intriguing match-up, a solid and young cruiserweight who brings a good pedigree, (with the exception of the Carl Thompson fight, which was a major slip up, but a positive corner turned, and a harsh lesson learnt), a solid record in his weight division, with impressive performances over Jean-Mark Mormeck, Giacobbe Fragomeni and Enzo Maccarinelli.
People may slate Haye’s outings in the Heavyweight division with wins over Monte Barrett and Tomasz Bonin; both were branded poor opposition, and that view was enforced by Hayes annihilation of both fighters, albeit with a few slip ups on route to his win over Barrett. Hayes got a Glass chin, we know it, he knows it, hell even those dolly birds who pose over his myspace page and fly his flag know it. But that’s what’s exciting!
I have utmost respect for both fighters. Wlad is a classy operator, who in my eyes is stuck in a poor division but would stand high in the ratings should he of been born 10 years earlier. That is a big thing to say, but I admire his engine, his ability to adapt when in the ring, his determination and his Jab is second to none.
He is a good Heavyweight who takes a lot of flak. Haye is a unique fighter who brings both glamour and trash to the fight game. He is supremely confident, he is cocky, he is a good looking chap, he has superb footwork and overall speed for a Heavyweight, and is explosive to watch in the ring.
Sure I can see why people take a disliking to him, that’s other people’s prerogatives, but this fight needed to be made. It’s exciting; it’s a fight where anything can happen. All of those questions we pose week in, week out on this site will not be answered now.
I am 100% confident that Wladimir will take care of Chagaev quite easily. I can see a KO in rounds 6-8, but I am not a betting man, and I am certainly not famed for my tips. Wlad will keep his belts, Ruslan’s place in the Ring ratings will be consolidated and we will wait another 6 months before Wlad fights again.
So where does David Haye go now? If I were him, I would feel severely let down, along with the tens of thousands of fans who were going to Germany or who were planning to watch the fight on Setanta. There have been a lot of rumors circulating the internet as to how this all came about.
Clearly the injury is genuine as it has been made public. It’s a minor back injury which needs 3 weeks to heal, and maybe 1-2 extra weeks for intensive training. Now, you have to look at this from both camps, but ultimately, I want this to be through the fans eyes.
Klitschko’s camp said they could not wait, they could not guarantee he wouldn’t be injured again and also that HBO could not accommodate the show slated for 11/18th July. A lot of credible sources in the industry are claiming that a double header could have been made, but Klitschko’s camp were not interested. In fact, it would appear that they had no intention of waiting for Haye; they had the fight with Chagaev confirmed only 4 days after the confirmation of the injury.
The aim of this post is to try and clear some of this up as there are conflicting stories coming out of all areas, and it just does not seem good enough. Again, Setanta seem to be playing a big part in this. Everyone knows of their dire financial situation at present. If you have not caught up yet, just check your planner for the next two weeks and you will see a solitary re-run of Cotto V Clottey on Sunday 14th June.
The so called ‘home of boxing’ in the UK. I heard they have Marco Huck’s next 3 fights though. ‘Can Setanta Pay Haye?’ is what the internet chat rooms are saying; Is this a credible rumor? If not then we have to seriously ask why Wladimir’s Team have arranged this awful fight.
Why could this fight not be re-staged in July? As a fan, I have tried to read as many ‘pure’ stories as possible, but everything is conflicting. I am not embarrassed to say I do not know how the fighters contracts work, but I was on the understanding it was a 3 fight contract, so surely, Wlad should have waited for Haye to recover from his minor injury? There must be some sort of clause in there.
From a neutral point of view, I have come up with 2 reasons as too why this fight has been canned. One is that Wlad does not want to fight Haye. I am not saying it’s through lack of guts, because that is a bit farfetched, but maybe the distasteful PR Haye generated during pre-fight could have made Wlad sit there and say no to the fight? I think it is merely payback for Haye.
He will not get a shot at Klitschko until end of the year at best. The likelihood is he will fight Vitali. I feel extremely aggrieved about this. It’s the Boxing Fan who suffers again. Setanta are taking in nearly £10 million every month from people who bought into their Boxing packages.
They basically got the tail end of Calzaghe’s career, picked up Haye and now realize they do not possess the infrastructure or money to pay for world class shows. Users on this site had to beg for Juan Manuel Marquez V Juan Diaz to be sown, it is not on! This post will probably relate to UK fans of Haye, I am not too sure of his popularity overseas, but there should be some sort of explanation as to why this fight is not getting staged, it’s a travesty.
If there are any readers who would like to post their views, the please feel free. I do feel there is significant reason for the canceling of this massive fight; I just want to know whether it was the TV Companies, Klitschko’s Ego or just the Germans in general.
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We are currently celebrating my brother’s victory over Chagqev but we will get back to you soon regarding our future plans.
My brother was not scared to fight Haye; we had waited long enough for this guy. First, he promised to deliver Chelsea Stadium and he could not deliver. He then pulled out of the planned fight and his Advisor stated that he would be ready in 5 weeks, then changed that to 3 weeks, then it was changed again to 6 weeks, so we could not take Haye and his team seriously and therefore pursued the Chagaev fight.
It is advantageous for my brother as he is now The Ring Magazine champion so we have another belt in the family. Either my brother or I will fight Haye, and we will punish him and knock him out in the 12th round for his disrespect.
We will then ask our Mother once again if she will allow us to fight each other.
You’re right Jordan, my mistake!
Ps. Cutman, second to none, I was bigging him up
Thanks for the comments. Agreed with Riaz, I feel for the fans mostly. 25K will be watching a fight that HBO has just cancelled! Also agreed with Froggy.
Is there links for the 95% Klitch fans?! Laughable.
I cannot wait to get the final official amount who went through the doors for this fight, just to shut a few people up on here. Chagaev is not a crowd puller and neither is Wlad. Haye is the reason the tickets sold for this fight, Haye did all the ticket selling by abusing the robots and it worked, Only idiots and complete fools got insulted by what he did and couldn’t muster the intelligence to see it was nothing but a publicity stunt. shame it never came to pass, Somebody please end the boring reign of the robots…………
I do feel for the fans who have forked out to travel to Germany, but at the same time, I don’t think Wlad could have let down his own support. Reports suggest all but 5000 tickets were sold in Germany, which suggests Wlad had the larger cut of support. How do they refund 55’000 fans?
Theres a very real chance Haye won’t be ready in 3-5 weeks, the risk was to great. Chagaev vs Klitschko won’t get shown anywhere though, Chagaev is a nobody who is as likely to call off sick 2days before as he is to turn up, I wouldn’t pay for it, so its likely Wlad will lose out here.
As for this title talk, when did Chagaev get crowned WBA champ? As far as I was aware, Valuev is the champ until Chagaev defeats him, should they ever fight. Chagaev should be stripped of his Champ in Recess title after pulling out, yet again!
As for Setanta, they bit off more than they could chew by taking on Sky Sports for Premiership matches. They couldn’t afford to show the big games and ended up showing tripe people didn’t want to pay for. They have been rumored to have been in difficulty for a while now, its no surprise they are in dire straights now. They have never been the home of boxing though, they show crap. With the exception of a couple of Calzaghe fights, a couple of Haye fights, all they offer up is European rubbish with guys nobody has heard of.
The only reason they can claim to be the home of boxing is because they show more than the other channels.
Petty sure 25,000 fans ain’t going over there, be surprised if it was 2,500. Can’t wait for the ppv no’s coz this is gonna blow, thats if it even gets on ppv lulz.
His (Wladimir Klistschko’s) “jab is next to none”, writes Taylor, this is of course absolutely right but what about his bopping right? Those 46 (would have been 47 with Haye) knockouts didn’t come about by the admittedly great jab that WK can command respect with. Wlad has power in both fists which makes a KO an almost certainty in a fight if Wladimir is in the ring. One question, who sez that 25,000 Brits have tickets to the Gelsenkirchen fight? There must be a lot of farms being sold.
Haye would be out until the end of July at the earliest. Wlad was correct in moving forward with Chagaev and Hayes manager and trainer Adam Booth has agreed with this decision and even said he would have done the same.
I think Wlad was pumped up for the fight with Haye and it would have been great – its nobodies fault but you cant expect Wlad to wait around an extra month or so.
Setanta is a completely different subject…its the football (soccer) rights that have screwed them up as they were trying to compete with Sky and havent got the subscribers to break even.
Haye wont get Vitali either as Arreolla will fight him if he can sort out the Oleg mandetory business…
Haye obviously didn’t have a “made up injury” as he asked that the fight merely be postponed for three weeks – less time than he actually needs to be in 100% health. That’s how much he wanted this fight.
I think the problem was two-fold. First, Wlad realized he was in trouble as soon as Haye started working his mind games on him. He got psyched out and even Emmanuel Steward openly expressed a fear that his fighter wouldn’t last in a twelve round battle. Second, Setanta is on its way out and didn’t want to reschedule. Plus, if Haye can’t fight, they won’t have to pay him (knowing full well that despite their contract together, Setanta could call in administrators just in time to avoid having to make the payout). The reason they’re in a financial crisis is far more to do with the money they spent on Premiership football games than boxing.
The whole thing isn’t a “disgrace”, it’s just a sad situation. Nothing could really be avoided and everyone has to do what’s in their own interests during this recession. I just hope the sport doesn’t suffer because of it.
I find it interesting that wlads manager said 95% of ticket holders simply want to see wlad. i find this laughable as i dont think half the arena would have sold if the chagaev fight was announced from the start. i hope everyone returns their tickets in protestleaving an empty arena, then maybe wlad will relise that nobody wants to see his disgraceful style of fight, they simply want to see someone put an end to it.
The main point to take away from this is the 25000 UK fans who bought tickets, flights, hotels etc wanting to see Haye Vs Wlad. They are losing out the most as i am sure they wouldn’t be travelling to see chagaev
I think Haye pulled out of the fight with a made up injury cuz a certain TV company is in financial meltdown and were reportedly paying Haye £3m. Yet they cant pay the Premier league or the SFA and if reports are true they are on the brink of going into administration. Haye wanted cast iron guarantee he’d get paid, hence trying to delay the fight 3 weeks (how the hell can anyone know how long a back injury takes to heal?)
Just my take on the matter
Thank you for a good article.
Yeah very good article.
Setanta is pretty terrible to be honest. I can’t believe they couldn’t even splash out to get the Froch-Taylor fight which meant it ended up not being screened at all in the UK?!
With regard to Wlad-Haye. I don’t think it’s fair to say Wlad didn’t want to fight Haye because he agreed to the fight and was willing to make it until Haye pulled out injured. It probably did give him an extra bit of satisfaction though knowing he made Haye wait for a shot at him or his brother but in the end it is down to Haye getting injured and not being able to make the agreed date.
I totally agree about Chagaev. He is one of the worst heavyweights around right now and the only plus point from this fight is that after Wlad blows him away he shouldn’t be considered around the title scene.
I don’t see where there are any questions. Wlad exercised his prerogative as the belt holder and told Haye to get stuffed. I cannot comment on the Sentanta situation since I am in the US, but I will agree that the masters of TV do not seem to have any regard for fight fans. I personally am sorry that HBO will not pick up the Chagaev fight, which admittedly will not be as interesting (at least in the anticipatory sense) as the Haye fight.
Great article!! I think none biased. Im a huge boxing fan and a fan of Haye, He isnt really known over here in the states but i love his style very exciting and a glass chin makes it all the better.
Klitshco in my opinion choose to face Chageav only due to his WBA title. ALso now Haye will most likely have to take on the better Klitshco who he has less chance of beating.