Toney Wants Bout with Hopkins – News

By Eric Thomas: With no fights on his schedule, former super middleweight champion James Toney (71-6-3, 43 KOs) is interested in a fight with middleweight great Bernard Hopkins at cruiserweight. In an interview with Boxing Talk, Toney said “The punk [referring to Hopkins] was supposed to fight me at cruiserweight, but you go and run out on me…Here I am, don’t back out like a sissy. Step up to the plate and get knocked out.”

Toney, 40 and soon to 41, is looking for a big named opponent to fight next, and for him Bernard Hopkins would be an ideal opponent. There’s a couple of problems, though, that might make this fight unlikely. First of all, I highly doubt that Toney can make it down to 200 pounds for a fight with Hopkins.

After all, Toney hasn’t fought at cruiserweight for six long years dating back to Toney’s 12-round unanimous decision over Vassily Jirov in April 2003. Since then, Toney has gotten bigger and bigger, weighing as much as 234 pounds. While that may not sound like a compared to monstrous heavyweights like Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko, both of whom weight close to 250 lbs.

However, Toney is only 5’9” and much of the weight that Toney has put on the past six years has been fat, unfortunately. Although Toney has been taking off weight in the past year and recently weighed 230, which is downright skinny for Toney, in his 12-round controversial split decision victory over Fres Oquendo in December 2008, Toney is still way too fat for his own good.

Now, if Toney were to want to get down to 200, it would require a great deal of exercise and dieting for Toney to get down that level. I doubt that Toney could do it, but if he is able to make it down to that weight, Toney would very likely be in terrible shape, and much too weak to fight Hopkins.

That would be much worse than the weight that Oscar De La Hoya had to recently take off for his fight with Manny Pacquiao in December 2008, and we saw how badly De La Hoya performed after stripping down to 147. Hopkins would be coming up in weight from 175, and thus would be stronger than, if not quicker, than he was at light heavyweight.

I think Toney would be in big trouble, too weak to fight at his optimal level and just taking needless punishment from Hopkins for 12 dull rounds. The other problem with this fight is that Toney hasn’t been fighting well in his last five fights, losing two of them to Samuel Peter, winning two of them by split decision over Fres Oquendo and Danny Batchelder and fighting to a 3rd round no contest to Hasim Rahman.

In each case, Toney has looked old, slow and too fat. After Toney was defeated twice by Peter in 2006 and 2007, I thought it was the fat that was causing Toney to look so bad, but after Toney took off a lot of the weight for his fights with Batchelder and Osquendo, I’m now inclined to think it’s just age catching up to Toney.

Toney doesn’t seem to have the size, speed or the ability to fight at heavyweight, but the problem is that Toney has been so big for so long that it’s no likely that he can strip off the weight and still be moderately successful at cruiserweight. Even at that weight class, Toney is still small and undersized.

At any rate, Hopkins wouldn’t likely want to waste time fighting someone like Toney, because Hopkins, 44, wouldn’t get much credit for beating Toney because of James’ poor success in the past couple of years.

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10 Responses to “Toney Wants Bout with Hopkins – News”

  • thelastson7@hotmail.co.uk says:

    not to mention toneys a five weight champ, middle,supper middle,light heavy,cruiser, and heavy. i know the light heavy weight bauble was the IBO but if fatton and pacquiao and other modern boxers are recognising this organisastion then we must for toney. and the whole drugs garb at heavy it still doesnt take away from what he accomplished in the ring.

  • thelastson7@hotmail.co.uk says:

    el guapo were you high when you wrote that cos its nonsense, hopkins has no chance in that fight, tell you what go to boxrec and actually look at the difference in quality in both fighters records its astonishing. hopkins has fooled the world and remember only became what he is when beating tito who is naturally a welter and was still the favourite against the middleweights supposed best champ with 20 defences and all, what does that tell you, they talk about joes defences being against bums well look at some of hokins wins in the early days too. anyway thats not the point, reality is bernard will never take this fight cos he would get done big time.

  • El guapo says:

    Toney the phoney is washed-up,undisciplined,overweight and steroid abusing twat, he shouldn’t even be allowed to box,he wouldn’t stand a chance against Hopkins who would spoil and get a points victory.

  • straight_up says:

    Even at heavyweight, James has a better work rate than Hopkins. Hopkins may win the fight from fighting dirty, but James will make him work for it. This is the kind of fights Hopkins need to find and leave the young and upcoming fighter to make their own name in the sport.

  • danny cerda says:

    Freddie Roach said it all – James Toney is the most naturally gifted boxer ever. That being said, he always has stuggled with weight/conditioning – mainly because he is so talented that unlike most boxers he can get away with not doing it.
    If, and i agree with the writer of this article its a massive if – but if Toney can get his weight down, I’d fancy him to outbox Hopkins

  • SimonH says:

    A bit like paul gascoigne in football (soccer)

  • mombo says:

    never bet on james toney; and never bet against bernard hopkins.

    words to live by. this fight would be a joke.

  • mark f says:

    Agreed SugarScott, Toneys fitness and dedication will always be questionable but when it comes to natural talent no one is better

  • SugarScott says:

    granted some of toneys performances at heavy were lacklustre due to the excess weight but hes still the most skilled heavy around as he proved in schooling hoolyfield, then winning the title and being screwed out of it(dont tell me others werent juicing up). to actually be a heavy which hes not naturally have all that excess weight debilatating him and still fight and sometimes school these big guys is a wonder in its self and cred must be given to the guy why hopkins is in the p4p and not toney is actually sickening. i hope the fight does happen cos lights out would put bernards out i guarantee. you never ever heard b-hop shouting out toney while fighting guys who started their careers at super feather. all the while calling out a weight drained jones, but never james does anybody actually remember roy jones became the man because he beat the man who was james toney. i have 70 of toneys fights the guy is a born fighter a real throwback (unlike some who claim to it all the time) so step up bernard so we can see you getting schooled.

  • mark f says:

    I hope Toney wins, he has looked silly fighting at heavyweight with his belly hanging over. If ‘Lights Out’ trained properley Jones Jr, Hopkins and even Calzaghe wouldnt beat him he is an incredible talent, check out his knockout of Michael Nunn on youtube

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