News – Mosley Is Now Willing to Fight Pacquiao at a ‘Catch Weight’
By Matt Stein: World Boxing Association welterweight champion “Sugar” Shane Mosley is reportedly willing to fight Manny Pacquiao at a catch weight. In the past, Mosley, 37, has said that he couldn’t make the 143 and 144 pound catch weight limit that Pacquiao’s trainer Freddie Roach wants him to come in at.
Pacquiao has said that he doesn’t plan on fighting again until October 17th, against an unnamed opponent. With only three months between that date and the Mayweather-Marquez fight, it would seem unlikely that either of them would be available to take a fight with Pacquiao at such an early date in time.
It would leave both of them with little time to train for his southpaw style and quickness. Although in Marquez’s case, he might not need nearly as much time because he’s fought Pacquiao twice before and done quite well against him, fighting to a draw the first time in 2004 and then losing a 12-round split decision in March 2008.
Both fights were controversial, however, with many people feeling that Marquez has out-boxed Pacquiao in both fights and should have been given the decision. In the past month, Roach seemed eager to get Pacquiao in the ring with Mosley, saying that he would be the perfect opponent for Pacquiao due to Mosley’s aggressive style of fighting.
However, Roach would always immediately say that Mosley had turned down the idea of a fight because he supposedly couldn’t make the 143 or 144 pound catch weight. It seemed kind of hard to swallow at the time, because that’s only three to four pounds that Mosley would have to lose to make the catch weight and he would likely getting his biggest payday of his career should he take the fight against Pacquiao.
Having fought as a lightweight for many years where Mosley was one of the best in the world at that weight, he would have a good chance of taking off the needed weight to make the 143 or whatever pounds that Roach and Pacquiao would want Mosley to come in at for the fight to happen.
The one fear is that now that Mosley is interested in taking the fight that Roach and Pacquiao might up the ante by making Mosley come in at an even lower weight such as 140, seeing that he’s now eager to make the fight happen.
This would be the kind of gamesmanship that I would expect from Roach to get an extra advantage for his Filipino fighter. However, if there’s anyone that should be given an extra advantage it’s Mosley, since he’s seven years older than Pacquiao and has had a lot of very tough punishing fights in his long boxing career.
Mosley is coming off a 9th round stoppage over Antonio Margarito to capture the WBA welterweight title in January 2009, one of Mosley’s best win of his career.
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Brahma Bull makes some of the best analytical & logical assessments I read here. I know he reads and watches a lot about boxing. Now if I can get Perez to read Brahma Bull’s letters, maybe he too will understand boxing and start writing stuff that makes sense and is not onesided.
I have too have tried to reeducate those who Perez has misinformed, that P4P King does not mean a small boxer can beat a big one in a real fight. It was Nat Fleischer, founder of the Ring Boxing who felt that Sugar Ray Robinson if he was able to fight any other boxer at the same weight, he would beat them easily. So was bron the phrase lb for lb champ.
Pacman has not only cleaned out most divisions but has shown the guts to keep moving up to meet and beat bigger fighters in exciting matches.
I think Super was the best fighter I ever saw but he did not always fight the toughest. I used to like Fraud Mayweather but he keeps avoiding top guys. I loved Whittaker, Chavez, Hearns, Ali, Duran etc because they fought everyone. To be great you need to fight great fighters in exciting fights, not just be undefeated. If not Valero & Calgahze would be the best ever.
I know the object is hit and not be hit but Ali and both Sugar Rays did that but they were very exciting and when they had to, they could brawl.
The original point is that Pacman is not a big man and already has moved up many divisions. How much more can he go? If the fight was the same day as the weigh in there would not be that big an advantage because even rehydrating would not equal a 12-15 lb edge.
When a small man moves up too much even with muscle it restricts, flexibility, fluidity, speed & movement. If a large guy comes down too much he loses strength. It is not fair to either man so a saw offmust be reached. Even then a large man will gain back extra weight and have a huge edge in strength and absorbing the small man’s punches. Why can’t Perez explain this? I heard Dundee, Al Bernstein, Kellerman, Steve Farhood, Bert Sugar and many experts say this when Super Roy, Holyfield & Spinks moved up to challenge for the H-weight title. This is fair unbiased explanation that people need to know. This is not about Latinos versus Filipinos. I wish people would stick to facts and not incite hatred. have some fun but let it be known it is fun. I make fun with Hatton/Fatman but I respect that he is an action fighter. I respect that he trains very hard and draws fans but I will never question his heart. Oscar was very popular and i think got some close decisions cuz of his fame but so did Ali, Leonard, Marciano and many other all-time greats. I only get upset when the fight is so onesided and the home guy or the famous one gets the call. Then I start to question Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles. We have a very good forum to exchange views here and I enjoy reading them, no matter what. Keep it up because I get some very decent laughs.
Whats so weird about Pac being 147 pounds…Did he not look great with the extra pounds of muscle against Oscar…
Manny was about 153pounds the night of the fight,weigh’n more than Oscar by like six pounds so whats the difference if he got on the scale at under 147lbs by a few pounds,thats smart on Manny’s part.
You dont have to weigh 147lbs,Manny came in at a comfortable weight then gained like six pounds come fight night.
So why is it so crazy for him to fight at welter weight.He’s done it before.
Why should’nt Manny want to fight Shane Mosley…Who’s he gonna fight,Edwin Valero.The guy has’nt proven himself yet…just knock out no1n’s.
In the end,Floyd will get somewhere near to what he’s asking for the Manny fight because thats the fight that Manny has to fight one way or the other.The winner of the floyd/marquez.
Mosley is a smart fighter. He has realized that he’s the one calling out the p4p champ. He wants the title of p4p king. Now, Pacquaio does not want Mosley’s belt and Mosley does not want Pacquiao’s belt. Therefore, there is no need to fight at 140 and 147. They both want the p4p king title. In order to do this, both fighters must move in weight. To ask one and not the other does not make this a fair fight. They are not fighting for belts. This is different. If you want the title, you must be willing to move in weight to challenge all those that want the title. Would it be fair for Pacquiao to move up to Klitschko’s weight if Klitschko challenged him? It doesn’t make sense. When De la Hoya and Pacquiao fought, it wasn’t for a belt. It was to see if Oscar can beat the p4p king. Therefore, they both moved in weight. It was Manny who moved up 12 pounds and Oscar dropped 7 pounds. It was fair to Manny even though it was himself who was going through a bigger weight change. It wasn’t Manny’s fault that Oscar didn’t come in properly for the fight. That’s why Manny killed him with ease. There was no struggle at all. In the case of Mosley and Pacquiao, they are meeting in the middle. How is it possible for a naturally stronger fighter to fight a smaller man? Even though Pacquiao has fought at 147, it’s not his natural weight. He couldn’t even reach 147 at the night of the weigh-in for his fight with Oscar. He weighed in at 142. It was just too hard for Manny to reach 147. That’s why the catch weight is about 142. If it’s more, Manny will give up too much of an advantage to Mosley, who normally fights at 147. If Mosley wants the title so badly, he should go down a few pounds. Even though he comes in at 143 or 144, I guarantee he’ll know better than to come in weighing the same at fight night. Mosley is a real champ, not chump. He’ll balloon in weight by fight night. So, what’s the big deal? Pacquiao averages about a 6-10 pound difference come fight night. Mosley averages about 10-14 pounds come fight night. Mosley is just naturally bigger. So, no one will have the advantage if the catch weight is around 142. At 147, Pacquiao will weigh in 5 pounds less than Mosley, and give up another 4 pounds come fight night. Doesn’t seem too fair. At least at this catch weight, Mosley will only have an advantage of a few pounds, not around nine or ten. The few pounds won’t be as significant, as in the case of the Pacquiao/Hatton fight. There was only a 4 pound difference during the fight. So, plain and simple, Pacquiao won’t be able to come in close to 147 and give up a greater weight advantage come fight night. Then, all the excuses will be made, and if he were to win, no one would feel that it was a fair fight. At this catch weight, the weight difference won’t be much so that there won’t be any excuses. Plain and simple, no excuses when it comes to a p4p title fight.
There no chance in hell that roach will let pac fight Shane at 147lb
Unlike when Oscar stepped in the ring against Manny,Oscar comin in the ring on fight night lighter than the so called smaller man(yeh,there was nothing wrong with that picture)…
Shane at welter(147)against Margo weighed in at 147 than on fight night was 160lbs like a wrecking machine..
Its just funny how they call someone the pound for pound but that some1 will only fight selected fighters at 147lbs.
Can any1 tell me who that some1 is?…
Pacquiao should stay at light welter. With his height, he is too short to be a full welter. Mosley at 5’9 is way too much for the Pacman to overcome who is only 5’6. So to make it fair, Mosley must come down to 140 lbs. and he could weigh around 152 come fight night just like Hatton had and still have the weight advantage over the smaller Manny.
i want this fight to happen so bad itwould be awsome i would back mosley for sure!!!!!
there is only one ricky hatton………..hatton is naturally the heaviest fighter than pacman…it did prove in the second round. with shane mosley i hope he can last the distant
mosely at 143 is unfair on him i think, as he can only just make 147 i think he drains 5 pounds off for the weigh in then puts it on b4 the fight, he is usually 152. 140 is rediculous! but 147 or a little lower will be good.
this will be superior and ultimate boxing, both fighters are very destructive. after what shane did to margo with that uppercut, margo had no legs they practically have to give margo a cold shower in the ring and shane destroyed him mercilessly. the pacman is very destructive that can par with mosley. it takes a destuctive fighter to beat a destructive fighter. if the figth goes the distance the younger boxer with stamina with prevail, but if it goes allout war early on and the pacman gets hit then the damaged can be the factor. but for sure this shane and manny hardest fight or their careers.
october slug fest here it comes, this will happen cause manny and shane are not tied up for any contracts.
Mosley one of my favorite fighters of all time. the winner of mosley vs manny will face the winner of jmm vs mayweather maybe???. mosley will win against any of those 3.
manny takes it allday
I agree with Ukansodoff to a degree, the catch weights prove little really but do give the opportunity to create good fights, like this one would be.
Id always preferred this fight over a Pac vs Cotto. Mosley must be able to make the weigh or else he wouldn’t show an interest in dropping. Against Margarito he looked quite muscled at Welterweight so I just hope he doesn’t drain himself.
I don’t think Roach will ask for a further drop in weight to reach Lightwelter either, with the exception of Hatton, there are no “names” in that division on par with Pacquiao, so to ask something stupid of a proper Welterweight would prove counter productive considering Pac only wants marquee names now.
Now dont get me wrong this is not a fight i would not want to see, i doubt anybody would turn their nose up at it.
But im beginnin to really dislike these catch weights. I like fights and results to cement peoples standings in world rankings and all that, fighting at catchweights only proves whose better than their opponant at a weight that is not recognised as a fighting division in boxing weight classes.
I think Pacman proved so much in his victory over Hatton, I saw Hatton as the best Lightwelter in the world still and he was demolished big time, id like Pacquiao beat another top Lightwelter at Lightwelter and if he fancys taking another step up in weight go for it and fight Mosley at Welter, but dont take a half step and fight at a weight that doesnt technically exist.
I’m loving it. MAKE IT HAPPEN PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!