Which Round Will Wladimir Be Knocking Haye Out?
January 9th, 2009
By Jim Dower: The question is no longer whether IBF heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitchscko will be knocking David Haye out, it’s what round. With a history of a glass jaw, which wasn’t helped by Haye’s 5th round knockdown by Monte Barrett in November, Haye, 28, is little better than an inflated cruiserweight with neither the size or the chin for the heavyweight division who instead of testing himself against other quality heavyweights to earn a shot against Wladimir, was propelled, some say unfairly, to what appears to be a title shot against Wladimir in the summer.
The lack of size, the history of chin problems and the limited experience as a heavyweight, seems to suggest that this will be a quick fight.
Seeing Haye’s fights with Jean Marc Mormeck, Carl Thompson and Barrett, Haye seems to go down quite easily, getting hurt by shots that most heavyweights probably could take without much problems. Haye’s only chance at winning is to score a knockout, preferably early before his stamina gives out on him like it did against Thompson in 2004.
In contrast, Wladimir has the ability to win by a decision. Indeed, he probably would prefer to win that way so as not to have to get his hands dirty taking chance of trying to slug it out with the shorter 6’3″ Haye. Yet even if Wladimir would chose to slug with Haye, I’d give Wladimir and better than average chance of taking Haye out quickly.
One or two big left hooks or a right hand from Wladimir, and that’s all it would probably take to get Haye out of there. Haye will probably have great difficulty in taking the power jabs from Wladimir, which are powerful enough to hurt an opponent. If Haye stands on the outside and is unable to get in punching range of Wladimir, then I can see the fight lasting possibly six to eight rounds as Haye’s face slowly busts up under the stress of Wladimir’s jabs.
However, if Wladimir comes out aggressive, firing right hands and left hooks, I seriously doubt that Haye can take those kinds of shots for more than a round or two at the most. Wladimir is a much bigger puncher than Mormeck, Enzo Maccarinelli or the other cruiserweights that Haye has fought in his career and once he gets hit with a big shot from Wladimir, it will be a whole new experience for Haye, one that he’s probably not ready for. Give it a round or two, but probably no more than that unless Haye decides to go in his shell and run from Wladimir. In that case, I see him lasting possibly until the 8th and then getting taken out.
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I think you’ve got that the wrong way around, which round will haye be knocking out Wladimir. Haye is way to fast for both Klitschko’s but i must admit if Haye gets caught flush he could be out. But it’s hard to pin someone that fast down. Anyway Haye might not fight Wladimir anyway cause he’s gonna fight Arreola next then Povetkin as his mandatory challenger.
Well this is a little wierd.I dont know wheather to tell A-Force and Doctor Thank You or to f*ck off.No,i’m just kidding.Everything i say on this site is truly my opinion.And as A-Force said, in my mind are fact.Alot of my opinions are the same as Doctor’s,he just puts them in a more repectful way.
My problem is that i think 2 champions like the Klitschko’s deserve more respect than to have somebody like David Haye move up,talk trash,do nothing in the Heavyweight division,and all of a sudden Haye can beat the Klitscko’s.Only 1 way to find out.And Doctor,your description of the K-Bros is right on.Go on youtube and watch Wlad’s first fight,to his last.You’ll see a totally differant boxer.In fact when he first started he looked like David Haye does now.Trying to KO everybody with 1 big shot.Now,he sets his oponents up with his jab and left hook.Not the same fighter.
Doctor – very honest post both about Adam and Haye lol!!!
Dont get me wrong like I have said all along I like both Klitchkho brothers and they really are great role models and come across like true gentleman.. not only that but they are both world class fighters. However my opinion is that IF any boxer out there can beat them it is David Haye
I will go with A- Force as far as Adam goes. He can be very funny and lets face it some of the comments are better than the articles.
Cant agree about Vladimir V Haye. The two brothers are very smart, both with their boxing skills and approach to boxing generally. I know its boring to be pleasant but these two are. They praise all boxers Vitali with Lewis, and he has made a friend of Tyson, Wladimir has said himself ‘I don’t consider myself the best until Ive beaten them all’. He is at his prime and is so good with his skills we the punter see it as boring. I watch with fascination as he takes his opponents apart and breaks them down. his discipline is remarkable. How many fighters tell you ‘I should have stuck to my game plan and not mix it’. Maccarinelli said it about Haye, Witherspoon about Arreola, both regret leaving the skills and mixing it. Both Klitschko’s do exactly what the plan say’s and get the job done. If and its a big IF, any fight with Haye and any Klitschko does come about in 2009 there will be a plan. Wladimir will put up a brilliant defence and jab david down eventually getting at worse a TKO at best a KO Vitali sorry nothing less than a KO. And the biggest problem for Haye is if he beats one he’s got to beat the other. For me if Haye wins then he truly is the greatest, Ijust dont think he is.
Well looks like things are getting a little heated here!! Just wanna say a few things
Fletch – I think its very harsh to tell Adam to go and die lol!! Yeah he can be a little aggressive and in his mind what he says is fact and I have had a few runnings with him in the past… However I gotta say I kinda like the guy now lol! He always makes me laugh with his outbursts and we do actually have a good laugh with the entire Klitsckho – Haye debate
Now for the Haye argument…… I honestly believe that Haye will beat Wladamir!! I was nervous when there was talk about Vitali but now it looks like its going to be the younger one that he is going to get a shot at and I am much more confident.. Haye has the power to knock out any heavyweight in the world!! Nobody hits harder than the Hayemaker….. I just cant wait now for the day he knocks out Wladamir and everyone is proved wrong
*loses
Whoever gets hurt first losses.
Haye slipped against Barrett, i was there watching it. show me footage otherwise and prove me wrong. Haye will beat one dimensional Wlad, he will slip hes robotic jabs and hurt him like he does best.
No Anonymous .Haye brought boxing back to the Heavyweight division for the British.I’ve been talkin like this about the klitschko’s on many other sites for 5 years now.Haye moving up gives you Brits something to talk about in the Heavyweight division.And it doesn’t mean anybody is talking about Haye anymore than usual.In fact,the only time people talk about Haye is when he brings up the klitschko’s.So the Klitschko’s are alot more popular than you all think.Just like when Haye fought Barret.Nobody outside of you Brits gave a sh*t.And thats why Haye left the Cruiserweight divion,because nobody gave a sh*t.And that’s why he wants the Klitschko’s,because nobody gives a sh*t if he fights anybody else.
Hayes been stopped once and thats all the evidence you can bring to the table. Boxers can loss a fight and never loose again i think haye will beat Wladimir due to his work rate
That was me, dunno why my name didnt show
At the end of the day, yes Haye has a glass chin which will be an issue considering Wlad’s jabs, yes Wlad is a better conditioned fight with better overall boxing skills, yes Wlad would be red hot favourite and my pick to win as he is a better fighter than Haye BUT the speed and power Haye carries gives him a punchers chance. I still think Wlad’s gonna win but I dont think we can 100% rule Haye out. And I’m a Brit but Im being realistic as much as it pains me to do so as I really do want Haye to do it.
p.s. the mere fact that everyones talking and arguing about this shows that Haye has brought some much needed attention to the heavyweight division, that as talented as they are, the Klitschkos couldnt
i rest my case…
I’m the new one here?LMFAO!I dont think i need to say anything else.Fkn moron.And fletch,Wlad lost to Heavyweights,not cruiserweights.
Hey Adam Laiola.Nobody asked you to come to this site.So if you don’t like it gtfo.My point on Haye is that he’s been fighting in the cruiserweight division.No telant,no power,no real boxers and that’s the reason Haye was Undisputed Chanmpion.He couldn’t take a shot by a Cruiserweight,he’s not gonna be able to take a shot from an average powered Heavyweight let alone a Klitschko.Which was shown by Barret knocking Haye down.There may have been a little bit of a slip but he still got hit and leaned on the ropes like someone hit him with a bat.I’m with Doctor on this.Haye doesn’t deserve this attention.He’s a nobody.But what he’s done is bring attention to himself by envoking the Klitschko’s name because he can’t get people to pay attentionto him on his own.As for Corie Sanders knocking Wlad out.Lennox Lewis said that when he fought Sanders,he had never been hit by anybody in his career as hard as sanders hit him.And
wlad got up from evey Sanders knockdown.So Sanders has much more power than Haye.And Wlad went into that fight with the big head thinkin it was gonna be an easy fight and got beat.He changed his style since then and is a differant boxer.He sets his opponents up perfectly now and delivers his power shots when his opponent is tryin to block his awesome jab.So Wlad doesn’t throw his big shots just to make you people happy.He throws them when he thinks his opponent is vulnerable.So his defense has improved because he’s not left wide open as much.Haye on the other hand has no idea where he throws his punches and is left open many times every round.1 missed punch and Wlad KO’s him.
I think its funny how people keep pointing out his loss of stamina during his fight in 2004. Its 2009 now, i do think he’s had some time to work on it.
I see Haye winning this fight.
Sometimes champions in a lower weight division gets a chance at a higher weight division belt because they are compelling and charasmatic. Given the lack of talent in the HW division and fact that HW belt holders will not fight eachother, Klitchko-Haye is as good as it will get. Regarding Haye’s chances, it may be a matter of who gets his shot in first. Klitchko has the advantage because he has size, reach and fights very defensive minded. The question will be if Haye has the right fight plan to land his shots in first.
what a load of rubbish
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but come on… Hae slipped in the Barret fight not put down!
Im a David Haye fan unlike most other people on this website. Sure hes arrogant and bold with his statements but i think hes a refreshing change to the heavyweight division. Compared to Wlad who simply jabs his opponents senseless before landing a big right. I do think Wlad would be the likely winner although lets not forget Haye does hold a huge speed advantage and is perfectly capable of throwing some of his own bombs. Corrie Sanders had quick hands but nowhere near as quick as Haye and look at what he did to Wlad!
Just to note i absolutley agree with ‘Mark f.’ Haye is an arrogant sod and if he wasn’t British i’d hate him as much as Hopkins.
Its good to know that slipping over is counted as a knockdown on this rubbish website.
You idiots have constantly slagged off every British fighter whenever you’ve had a chance. Calzaghe beat both Hopkins and Jones whilst Hatton thrashed Malignaggi when you claimed they would lose. Haye will be just be the next Brit to show how much this website sucks when he beats Wlad (TKO8.)And when it happens will we get an apology, of course not.
I personally feel there is a lot of psychological gamesmanship going on here.We hear a lot about Haye and his self publicist behaviour and to a degree it works. People are talking and speculating, fine, but the Klitschko’s are Masters at that sort of game. They mixed Peter a bottle with everything they did from the press conference to the ring entrance and it got to Peter. They, I believe are doing the same to Haye now. This fight doesn’t have to happen in 2009 Wladimir can have at least two fights this year and not even look in Hayes direction. Vitali will deal with Gomez and then pick whoever he wants for the rest of the year. That keeps the Klitschko name up there for four fights This is a game plan set it up then knock it down. The fact is Haye has no legitimate reason for expecting a fight in 2009 and knows it, but keep your name up there and its good for figurers, no problem. Both klitschko’s know all the present opposition including Haye are beatable. Their game plan will be keep them all on the boil and pick them when your ready. These two are very smart as well as being the best at the top. Sorry to say I still feel we discuss Haye to much and I keep falling for it. Cant see any reason for either Brother to lose this year.
Hayes speed has saved him in a lot of fights, his fight with enzo was simply a case of who caught who first, if big mac had caught haye flush in the second im sure he’d have been spark out, im english yet i was rootin for enzo cos hayes an arrogant arsehole, just watch soccer am and hear him, he’s as bad as hopkins
If Haye demolishes Vlad I will be straight on here waiting to see what the likes of Jim, Adam, Liebergirl and Chris thingy have to say about it.
As far as im concerned this article along with the views of a few people on here are jsut littered with contradictions.
Haye has a well known glass jaw but has only ever lost 1 fight, it cant be that glassy. Its soft but not glass or hed have a much worse record.
Haye cant take a punch but will get to the 8th round? HEs guna run from Vlad, whens he ever run?
Barratt didnt knock Haye down, he slipped, you all know it, its clear as day, but your happy to write lies if it helps your biased view.
If Haye has no chance then we will find out on the night to get article after article of the same crap about him which is full of made up crap it goes to show that theres interest in it.
And it may be wrong to mouth off until you get an early title shot but thats boxing for you. Holyfield went straight into a title shot in December, Vitali after 4 years out. If they can do it so can Haye.
it makes me laugh how you go on about hayes ‘glass jaw’ but vlad is not exactally known for his ability to take a punch either is he not? if….and a big if vlad decides to actually engage in a slugfest(all he does is jab and push away) haye will be far too fast,and i see a stoppage for haye around the 9th
I agree with this article, however its not so cut and dry.
1 minute, 53 seconds of the fifth round. haye will be face-down, out cold. finally, his yap shut. some peace and quiet. he should leave a wake-up call with the promoter.
i think it’ll be a one-punch ko. for haye’s sake, that’s a good thing. because vlad could put a mean beating on him if he wanted. but vlad’s tactical -he’ll pick his shots, look for the right moment and seize it.
I agree with this article!!I think its not gonna be a bad fight klitchko is just gonna pump his jab all night and and only get in ther when he sees a wobble this could prob be enough for him to win the fight. Where as hay is gonna just wait for his big punch and fight in bursts like does. The bad thing about this fight is nether can take a punch even if they did trade punches it wouldnt last long. So its either gonna be quick or boring but untimatley s*@t I still watch it tho
I guess in the 8th or 9th round TKO for Wlad.
Awesome article jim.Even though you will hear about how bias this article was,alot of what you said are facts and are facts that i’ve been sayin every since Haye started running his mouth.Haye doesn’t wanna work his way up to a championship fight because he doesn’t have the skills or chin to fight even the average boxers in the heavyweight division let alone the sheer power of a left hook, right hand, or even a Wladimir jab.Haye will come into the fight thinking he’s gonna throw these big punches at Wlad and when he runs into a Wlad jab,he will start to question himself,then its over.He will throw 1 messy punch and Wlad will unleash a right hand straight down the pipe and it’s all over.It’s good to see someone with some true anylizing of the fight.