Haye vs. Klitschko Talks Still Ongoing
January 22nd, 2009
By Chris Williams: IBF/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko and David Haye are still locked in a stalemate, with both stuck on a few issues which are preventing the fight from reaching a deal, according to Sky Sports. The two sides are at the contract part of the negotiations and are undergoing some friction as they jockey back and forth. Adam Booth, Haye’s Manager/trainer, is working on “the core” part of the contract and once this, the most difficult part of the negotiations, there’s only some smaller items that need to be worked out and then the fight is good to go.
Wladimir, 32, is coming off an easy 7th round stoppage of former heavyweight champion Hasim Rahman in December. Wladimir controlled the fight with his powerful jab, keeping Rahman on the outside where he was nearly helpless to land anything. In the 6th round, Wladimir knocked Rahman down with a left hook to the head. Wladimir then played it safe and jabbed away at Rahman instead of going for the kill and finishing him off. In the 7th, Wladimir unloaded on Rahman with a number of good right hands and left hooks to the head, making it necessary for the referee to step in and stop the bout.
Haye, 28, had a much less impressive performance in his last fight, stopping journeyman Monte Barrett in the 5th round in November. Haye knocked Barrett down five times in the fight, but two of the knockdowns seemed questionable.
After controlling the first four rounds, Haye was dropped by a big left hook in the 5th by Barrett. After knocking Haye to the canvas, Barrett got a little over eager and added a harmless looking left hand to the head of Haye while he was still down. At least one of the punches, perhaps the first, seemed to hurt Haye, making it necessary for him to stay down for a considerable amount of time while he recovered from the blow. In the meantime, the referee ruled the knockdown a slip, even though it seemed to have been caused by a legitimate punch. After a lengthy rest time out, Haye was able to compose himself enough to finish off Barrett.
Haye has been gunning for both Klitschko brothers for months, and has a lofty goal of wanting to beat both of them. Given Haye’s performance against Barrett, as well as his fights as history of having a weak chin, he might end up beating none of them and sent packing back to the cruiserweight division.
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New era? Possibly? Better? Definitely not.
Aside from Vitali, ‘Big’ Frank Bruno would dominate the HW division if he were around right now and in the Tyson/Lewis/Holyfield era we all thought he was rubbish.
Got coverage in the UK though, mainly through Haye and Macerinneli, mind you, if i remember correctly, mostly through Mac as he fought mainly on Calzaghes undercard. But it got coverage nonetheless.
I agree with Doctor with regards to Arreola, hes a solid fighter, takes a bang and dishes out bombs, just needs time.
Also have to say i agree with Adam too. There is a new era in boxing, the eastern European era. There are a few fighters cropping up and all seem to be big lads with in built boxing styles, straight up, high guard strong jab. We have the Klitchkos and my eyes were opened by Sarkowski, the Pole who came in last minute and KO’d Williams. Not that Williams is a good boxer, but Sarkowski came in last minute.
And i aint a Brit
I think the era of 5’10 215 pound Heavyweights is over.I think with Lennox dominating and the Klitschko’s dominating has brought a new fad to Heavyweight boxing.But if these big men are smart they will develop a jab similar to the 3 of them.I think that is the key.
Just seen the results of another giant Heavy weight in Germany Jens Krul 5-0 6′ 10′ 292lbs 11 rounds in 5 fights. Were are they growing these fellas?
Have to say I think Arreola could beat Haye. As said they have similar styles but Arreola can soak up a punch. Travis Walker was in really good shape for his last fight, didn’t do him any good. Arreola does look out of shape, but look at him closely during the fight, he never once looked phased or concerned, even when he took a knee he was in control. I like him but that doesn’t distort my view, he can go far just needs to improve his defence and lose a few pounds. I still like Wladimir’s ‘Join The Queue’ to Haye on the confrontation at the shopping mall, nice put down and will only be bettered by a real put down in the ring.
I meant to say Haye is a harder worker than Arreola.
Arreola is American,but he ain’t sh*t.I’m not gonna run around pretending he is great just because he’s American,he’s not.And Arreola has more KO’s than Haye has fights.So maybe the problem is that we American’s have much higher standards than you Brits.Because Haye ain’t sh*t just like Arreola.In fact,Arreola and Haye have similar style’s.Both use their offense to try and hide their lack of defense which neither boxer has.The big differance is that Arreola can take a punch.Haye can’t.Sure Haye is in much better shape,but his boxing ability isn’t much better than Arreola’s.I do think Haye would beat Arreola if they where to ever fight.Only because Haye is definately a harder worker than Haye.Arreola could take a Haye shot,Haye couldn’t take an Arreola shot.But Arreola’s to fat and sloppy to get one in.As for me watching the cruiserweight division.If it’s on TV,i’ll watch.I TIVO Friday Night Fights,HBO BAD(Boxing After Dark),ShoBox,and High Definition Boxing.So i watch every single match that is on TV along with reading constantly about the matches that aren’t on TV.The cruiserweight division even with Haye’s big mouth,had no media attention anywhere around the world.As Wladimir Klitschko said which speaks for itself.”A week ago i didn’t know who he was,and now he wants to get in the ring with me?”Bottom line is that Haye has a good right hand,but very limited boxing skills.He has no jab,no left hook.No weapons except for a right hand that i seen many people in the cruiserweight division soak up with not much of a problem.
I never questioned your enjoyment of boxing, just your hatred of Cruiserweight division.
Would it not be fair to say that if your supported the sport as opposed to individual fighters, you would also support all divisions????
I thought Arreola was considered an American?
And no offense to you, but you talk about everything!!!!!!! Consistantly! Regardless of truth or bs!!
not believable for more than a couple seconds obviously.
I like you Adam, I cant tell if your being serioius in your replies or if your just sayin any old junk to keep an argument goin. But you always have a reply, unlike Hatton and Haye in your eyes you dont duck the questions.
You should consider being a politition, they manage to make complete nonsense into almost believable nonsense.
That’s funny scott because we don’t have any Americans in the Heavyweight division but i still talk about that.And maybe you have 2 boxers in the Cruiserweight division is the reason why you think it isn’t sh*t.Funny how you made my point for me.I’ve proven over and over again that i enjoy boxing,not just American boxing.
no Adam, wrong again.
Haye has always said he wanted to step up to the heavyweight division, but not before unifying the Cruiserweight division.
thats why he stepped up.
No ducking, no dodging. The man to beat at Cruiserweight was Enzo Macerineli, not Adamek or Cunningham, who as we know, where nowhere to be seen during his reign.
And you may think the Cruiserweight division is sh*t, but I’d bet thats because 1. it strengthens your argument against Haye, an 2. America doesnt have a boxer worth talking about in it.
The UK had two, both mentioned above.
And to be honest his wild tactics which is poor quality boxing, has still served him very well so far.
Cruiserweight king and 2 unbeaten at heavyweight and a title shot on the way.
Hes doin something right.
If you watched the Rahman fight you will understand my point about him being a fat old man.
Barrett keeps in shape. moved, actually threw some punches.
You say Haye has little more than a punchers chance. So your admittin he has a chance? Thats all ive ever said about Haye, im realistic.
What ever you think about Haye and his style if it wins him a world title then his wild tactics have worked.
If he doesnt because hes just no where near good enough then so be it it wont be a shock.
Well Doctor you again have put it very well.Like i said,Wlad fought Barret like a Heavyweight should.With caution that at any moment a wild punch can knock anyone out.Haye took on Barret 8 years later(which is a good point you brought up)and they wanna brag about Haye knocking him out quicker.Also,Barret hit Haye 10 times as much as Barret hit Wlad in almost double the rounds.If Wlad hits Haye with 1 of the punches that Barret hit him with the fight will be distant memory.And as for as the punchers chance saying.In the Heavyweight division,it is a givin and shouldn’t even be mentioned considering that every single underdog that boxes in the Heavyweight division has a punchers chance.It’s the Heavyweight division.
Here we go again. Wladimir Klitschko is the best of the division and the division is OK despite what many say, they are wrong. Its as good as the cruiser weight division So we have two champs fighting it out, good, BUT Klitschko is the better of the two by far. Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story. Barrett was KO as far back as 2000 by some very good punches delivered by a then 24yr old Wladimir. 16 fights later and 8yrs he gets KO again by Haye. Who met the better man?. Wladimir was the first man to KO Barrett, not bad. And for those that say Rahman was a FAT OLD MAN he was a year younger than Barrett so Haye fought and beat a fat old man, fine. I don,t believe either of course but that seems to be were we are going. All the advantages are in Wladimir’s favour and I mean all. Forget about the chin, neither Haye or Wladimir suffer in that department. Lewis went down when hit by a good punch, so what. And I have to take issue with the lack of Humour of both Klitschko’s. not true. Watch youtube with Vitali at a press conference with Sam Peter putting the Rabbit fingers behind Peter’s head, very amusing. And Wladimir is well known for his conjuring and talk show humour he just happens to speak four languges and I don’t. Just thought I would defend the Klitschko’s I like them. I like Arreola to and would love to see him fight Haye, but trully don’t think other than a punchers chance either will beat either Klitschko. But then anything can happen.
And why shouldnt Haye see Barrett as a credible opponant when not long before that Vlad did and took longer to beat him?
Where do you make that big line of divide where hes good for vlad and crap for Haye?
Adam, come on mate you can do better than that.
Adamek was fighting at light heavy while Haye was winnin cruiserweight titles.
cunningham is good but was no where near top rankings while Haye was at Cruiser.
If you hate Haye or what ever you think of him cant you stick to facts and stick to honesty instead of using all your time trying to discredit him with nonsense.
1 thing about the claim about Barrett knocking Haye down legitimate, the 3 closest people to the incident were Barrett, Haye and the ref. Ive never seen a single statement from any of them claiming it should even be considered a punch and that thats what put Haye down. And if Barrett aint guna claim it then surely it didnt happen.
Well,the Klitschko’s are great champions and that will be proven again as Wlad knocks Haye out with his jab.And every weight class is considered a recognized class.That doesn’t mean diddly sh*t.Haye left the Cruiserweight division for 2 reasons.1st,he didn’t want any part of Adamek or cunningham,2nd,nobody gives a sh*t about the cruiserweight division.People say the Heavyweight division is terrible,well what’s that say about the cruiserweight division.You still got boxers coming up to fight in the Heavyweight division.And if haye wasn’t knocked down by Barret,then why was he hugging on the ropes and falling to one knee like he’d been hit with a bat.And don’t forget that he was fighting Monte Barret.You Brits make it sound like Haye was fighting a top heavyweight.Took alot of balls to pick barret as his opponent.LMFAO!David Haye is a chump and that’s it.
Firstly, Haye wasnt knocked down by Barrett, but i guess if you tell a lie enough it becomes true!!!!!!!!!!!
Secondly, i dont doubt this fight will go ahead, both fighters are entitled to iron out all the details beforehand and set themselves up properly for it, so dont blame anyone for the time its taking to get it set up.
As for Adam, yes Wlad is a decent champ, not good, decent and yes he deserves to be a title holder, but your biased opinions on Haye make you look stupid, as well as your limited use of boxing facts to back up your bias comments. Haye was the undisputed champ of the cruiserweight division, whatever your opinions on that division are, it is a recognised division, backed by all the various boxing boards, he may be a big mouth, but hes a big mouthed champ!!
I dont agree with all the crap spoken before a fight or even to make a fight happen, but it does bring a bit of a laugh to the sport before the serious business starts. Yes the Klitchko brothers dont publicly engage in it but i doubt the brothers have a funny bone in their bodies!!! Ali did it, Tyson did it, Mayweather jnr does it, it just sparks up the fans of the opposing boxers and raises the profile of the fight, so leave his big mouth be.
If it had been ruled a knockdown id of considered it. If i hadnt watched the supposed moment over and over and over again on youtube and still come to the conclusion that it wernt a punch it was a push off balance id of said it was something else.
Flailing arms, wild man, bla bla bla the aim of the game is to beat the other man and thats how he does it.
Im heavily favouring Vlad against Haye, i really am but If Haye gets rid of some 1 in more explosive manner than Vlad did its gotta be a worthy point to bring up.
ukansodoff,some sh*t you say is flat out ignorant.Haye dealt with Barret quicker and more impressive than Wlad shows your lack of boxing knowledge.Did Wlad get put down in the fight?NO.Did Wlad go into the fight flailing punches all over the place looking like a fool?NO.Wlad looked like a champ when he fought Barret.Haye looked like a fighter that couldnt take a punch and had no punching accuracy.Dont compare a big mouth nobody to a real champ please.It makes you look like an idiot.
Haye will get demolished, he is a fraud, loud mouth cupcake, with a crystal jaw. Klit in no more than 6
1st of all im sure Booth, Haye and Hayemaker promotions realise the chance Haye is being given here and only some out of the ordinary demands by Vlad would make anything get in the way and to be honest Vlad and his brother both seem stand up guys who keep to thier word and do things the proper way.
As for the part in the article that says Hayes 5 round demolision of Barrett was less than impressive compared to Vlads beating of a fat old man is just plain biased and bitter. Especially seeing as Haye delt with him quicker and more impressivly than Vlad himself did.
Fair enough you dont like Haye, or dont rate Haye but what ever you think cant you be honest enough to give credit where credits due?