What’s Next for Calzaghe, Jones? De La Hoya-Pacquiao: Who Will Win?
By Alan Thomson: In a startlingly unsurprising fight, Joe Calzaghe completely dominated Roy Jones save for a well placed first-round Jones forearm to the face of Calzaghe.
Jones Jr. vs. Calzaghe is a fight that should have happened 5 to 8 years ago. Calzaghe is still in his prime and Jones is well past his. But is it Calzaghe’s fault that Roy got old? Not really. The fight never took place back when it should have because Calzaghe was busy selling out arenas in the UK and couldn’t see coming to the States to fight for less money. Jones didn’t feel that he should have to make the multi-tectonic plate journey to Calzaghe’s ’hood to fight him. But let’s be realistic here. Roy was without question the king of the mountain in those days. And if you (aka Calzaghe) want to be the king of said mountain you need to go to the mountain. You can’t expect the mountain to come to you.
So what’s next for these two?
Joe Calzaghe seems to have slightly backed off of his promise that Jones would be his last fight, saying that he would think it over before making a final decision. But who is left for him to fight?
Some, including HBO’s Max Kellerman are saying that his last bit of unfinished business is with Chad Dawson. Dawson, the young, fast handed and talented IBF light heavyweight champ is fresh off of a convincing win over the aged, “legend in his own mouth” Antonio Tarver.
But is there any clear and convincing reason why Calzaghe should give Dawson the opportunity? I don’t think so. Dawson is anything but a household name. The public is certainly not clamoring to see it, which means it is not a huge money fight. And at 36 years of age and having been super middleweight champion for more than a decade, Calzaghe has earned the right to either retire or to fight only big names for big money at this point in his career.
There is still some chatter among boxing fans that Calzaghe has never beaten a truly mega-talented fighter in his prime. I disagree. I believe that Mikkel Kessler is the best super middleweight and possibly the best light heavyweight in the world behind Calzaghe. And Calzaghe schooled him.
So walk away Joe. And take your 0 with you.
On to Roy Jones. Is there any doubt that he is but a shadow of what he once was? His hand speed is still excellent, although not what it used to be. The issue with Roy is his legs. He used to use them to leap in, throw power shots and then get the hell out of the way before his opponents could retaliate. He is no longer able to do that.
There is near unanimous consent among fans and insiders that Roy is long overdue to bronze his jockstrap and focus on his beloved cockfighting, but I think there is one more fight out there for him. And I expect to be met with a cacophony of jeers when I say that Bernard Hopkins is his next and last logical opponent.
I can hear you all screaming WHAT??? Well, allow me to make my case. For one thing, this is a rematch that is more than 15 years in the making. Roy is the only fighter to have soundly and convincingly beaten Hopkins. Granted, that was when Roy still moved like an electron circling a nucleus. But stylistically, I see this as a good matchup even today.
Roy still has the hand speed to contend with Hopkins. And Roy really doesn’t need the legs of Seabiscuit to deal with Bernard. Although Hopkins uses his legs, he won’t be confused with Big Brown at the Preakness. He tends to move “smart” rather than swift. Roy still has enough left to make this an interesting fight.
Roy has been clamoring to restore his image since his first loss to Tarver. With Hopkins coming off a schooling of Kelly Pavlik, this is his best chance. Hopkins would be favored and rightfully so, but if I’m Roy, this is the fight I would try to make.
De la Hoya vs. Pacquiao – Who Will Win
The trend of smaller fighters seeking larger prey and bigger paydays continues as lightweight champion Manny Pacquiao steps up to welterweight for a blockbuster fight against Oscar de la Hoya.
On the surface this is an intriguing matchup as the lightening quick, hard punching Pacquiao attempts to follow in the footsteps of Floyd Mayweather Jr. by stepping up in weight and defeating the aging but still relevant Golden Boy.
But as I dig down a little deeper I see a clear cut favorite here whom I expect will dominate the fight. And that favorite is Oscar de la Hoya. And I have what I think are a couple of very solid reasons to support my opinion.
There may not be two more evenly matched opponents in all of boxing than Pacquiao and Juan Manual Marquez. They have fought twice – once to a draw and more recently to a very close split decision win for Pacquiao. I see Oscar as a much bigger, stronger and more skilled boxer than Marquez. If Pacquiao had his plate full against Marquez, he had better be prepared to stand at the feeding trough that is de la Hoya.
There also seems to be a threshold in weight above which most fighters who fight at around 130 pounds and under are unable to replicate the success they had enjoyed at their natural, lighter weights. That threshold appears to be in the neighborhood of 140 pounds. Of course there are exceptions. De la Hoya is one of those exceptions. But at 5’ 11”, de la Hoya’s size and frame made his rise through the weight divisions not only natural but necessary. Manny Pacquiao is 5’6” and began his career as a 106 pound junior flyweight. Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo both found themselves in water too deep to tread after crossing the 140 lb. barrier.
I see Oscar using his height and reach advantage and superior boxing skills to keep the raging Pacquiao at bay while taking a page from Marquez’ book and doing damage with lead right hands as well as the vaunted de la Hoya hook. I don’t see Pacquiao carrying his power with him all the way up to welterweight and his defense is just too suspect to overcome Oscar’s offensive advantages. I have Oscar winning a convincing decision, if not stopping Pacquiao at some point in the second half of the fight.
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it was guttin roy lost he should ov kicked his wight ass
I think that the only thing left for Calzaghe is to stand up and fight someone under the age of 70. Perhaps he could fight Dawson or Taylor, well i think Calzaghe would much rather prefere a rematch the old man Hopkins or Jones. Calzaghe likes to criticise a boxer and then fight them and say he has a lot of respect for the guy. He might even want to fight Glen Johnson or Antonio Tarver. I think he should act in Rocky VI as it would suit him taking on an old man. I would never be able to rate him the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world unless he fights someone who’s young and a fighter that isn’t past his sell by date. He had a great opportunity to fight Pavlik instead of Hopkins or Jones, which Hopkins proved that Calzaghe would have beat him easily and would have got a load more respect.
IF YOUR GONNA WRITE AN ARTICLE AT LEAST TELL THE TRUTH ANYONE WITH BOXING KNOWLEGE KNOWS JOE NEVER DUCKED ANY FIGHT 8 YEARS AGO NO ONE CAN SAY WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THEY MET THEN BUD WHAT WE DO ALL KNOW IS THEY FOUGHT IN 2008 AND JOE WAS A DIFFERENT CLASS NO ONE CAN DENY OR ARGUE THAT FACT JONES IS STILL A LEGEND AS IS JOE
Joe was a very good fighter and it would be a great shame for him to retire after beating Roy Jones jr who has lost 4 of his last 7 fights and 2 by devastating KOs. JOE is a single weight champion and only left supper middle to fight 2 pass their prime fighters.IT is difficult to be rated in the all time top 20 without showing bravery and taking chances. Joe might beat CHAD a good average fighter but taking it on the chin for 12 rounds could be problem
i agree with what your saying about jones, but frankly you are miles wide of the mark with your claim that calzaghe wanted jones to come to the uk, he didnt, he just wanted to fight him, and has pursued him throughout his career, but jones and other s eg hopkins, would not fight calzaghe in his hood or any other hood for that matter.
also, while im tempted to agree with you about de la hoya being too muc for pacquiao due to height and reach etc, i still dont see de la hoya taking the fight, he has been miles short of impressive for years and im fully expecting pacquiao to bludgeon his way to victory. you cant say he wont carry his power up in weight, weight is power in boxing! you use technique to deliver as much of your bodyweight to your opponent via your fist!! weight up = power up and speed down. no exceptions.
On the De la Hoya part I completely agree. I can see Oscar KOing Pacquiao in the last rounds. He’s just too big and strong for Pacquiao but with Pacquiaos AMAZING speed (even moving up in weight) he will give De la Hoya a run for his money but still De la Hoya KO win.
I too do feel it was a bit too much showboating, but hey, Jones is guilty of such crimes against all of his opponents! It was Calzaghes fight, a thank you to the fans and a F**k you to the heaters, good luck to him. There is no one left to fight. Dawson is not even in the same class and lacks marketability. Hopkins II would bore everyone to death, Kessler ll has no meaning. Its a purely selfish point of view to see him continue, he has had a bloody good innings, and the time is right to hang up the gloves. Not unless Floyd Mayweather can drop a few eight classes and come out of retirement
Ukan – did you say the same when Jones was showing a total lack of respect for his opponents back in his heyday? If you are able to seriously explain why it is ok for one and not the other I would be most grateful.
Kind regards,
EWSO
A well written, insightful, balanced article. More please.
Very good article, i think they should give Alan Thompson more article coverage and scrap Lieberman.
Very good article but do not agree with who was ducking whome. Jones refused to take the fight and Joe was always reluctant to fly long distance to the states. However Jones and Hopkins were probably the only fighters who would have tempted Calzaghe to the states back then.
Unfortunately Jones does have a history of ducking great British fighters.
If Jones is going to fight Hopkins again, he needs to pull the trigger on his punches.
It just seemed that Jones Jr had a game plan to wait for Calzaghe to tire himself out throwing punches. That is not going to happen against Calzaghe. That plan might work against Hopkins however. But out of Jones and Hopkins, who would tire first?
On Calzaghe, would be good to see him beat the half century undefeated but its a high risk.
I was very sad to see Dawson beat Tarver, if Tarver had won it would leave the door open for a match between Tarver and Calzaghe. Adding another future hall of famer to Calzaghe’s resume.
Gotta agree 100% with Andy C’s reply on Hopkins.
I agree Roy Jones in his prime was like the Jimi Hendrix of boxing. He was AMAZING.
Calzaghe is not in his prime. He is almost 37 YEARS OLD and at the end of his career.
It such a shame they didn’t face each other in Roy Jones prime. But the fight never would have happened as Calzaghe was unknown in the states and would have made no money for Jones and also wouldn’t have been worth the risk.
I truly believe it is not a physical problem with Jones. It is purely mental. After the two very BRUTAL knockouts his confidence is shot. The only way you can fight like Jones in his prime is with ABSOLUTE confidence.
In regards to Bernard Hopkins the reason why he is still a viable fighter at 43 is that he does not fight. He waits for his opponent to come to him and uses skill, tricks and counterpunching. This is something a boxer WILL NEVER forget no matter how old. Jones beat a young Hopkins who probably didn’t have half of the skills he has now. People should give Calzaghe more credit for beating a man WHO DOES NOT FIGHT and has a massive skill set and will use any trick he can to win (including feigning injurys to get a rest and headbutting). Calzaghe would be crazy to fight him again it would end in a cut from a headbut.
im a big Calzaghe fan but I have to say i was a little dissapointed to see what I thought was a lack of respect for Jones in the ring.
I along with most people knew that te 1st 4 or 5 rounds would be even money but then Jones would dissapear because he is past his best.
But after the massive respect the 2 showed eachother in the build up to the fight i thought all the dancing and shoving his face in and all that was a bit disrespectful to what has been a wonderful world class opponant that he never faced when he was at his peak.
To try show how dominant you can be over the great Roy Jones Jr and how superior you are you should of done it 8 years ago not now cuz its not the same and it doesnt wash.
Although the only criticism i do have, if any, is that you say Jones was ‘king of the mountain back then’… Although nobody knows the facts regarding who ducked who, if at all, and although Jones may have been king of the American mountain, that doesn’t mean that the mountain covered the rest of the world, and i very much doubt it cast a shadow over Newbridge, Wales…
Good Article there Alan, lot more realistic and honest than those of say, Mr Lieberman….Calzaghe has no reason to fight Dawson, he is just the next name the haters have picked to ruin Calzaghe, because they hate his class so much. He has beaten everyone so far, and would beat Dawson. Why not save himself from pathetic anti British, American jealousy and retire on top of his game. There will always be someone coming through, let them deal with it. Calzaghe, best boxer of last 10 years.